BF2S Forums Democrats guaranteed Super Majority; Arlen Specter Switches Sides

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

He should be recalled. He was voted in as a republican and the people have a right to be represented by one. His change reflex a false pretence of his election.

You vote for someone on the policy they present, not the little letter affixed to their name on the ballot. If you do, you deserve to get fucked with your vote then.

That "little letter affixed to their name on a ballot" is meant to denote what ideology the individual stands for. People do vote along party lines. He was elected as a republican and therefore is expected and should be obligated to vote on issues accordingly. His election was done under false pretence. No different than Obama elected as a democrat than after his election becoming a republican. His head would be called for on a platter, and rightfully so.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

You vote for someone on the policy they present, not the little letter affixed to their name on the ballot. If you do, you deserve to get fucked with your vote then.

That "little letter affixed to their name on a ballot" is meant to denote what ideology the individual stands for. People do vote along party lines. He was elected as a republican and therefore is expected and should be obligated to vote on issues accordingly. His election was done under false pretence. No different than Obama elected as a democrat than after his election becoming a republican. His head would be called for on a platter, and rightfully so.

Americans love a winner. 200 000 of Specters constituents have switched parties. He's following his supporters, not the other way around.

The problem with the Republican party is that they believe in sides, right v wrong, blue v gray, D v R, True Americans v false Americans. The "get on your side and stay there" mentality has played itself out and people are tired of the BS.

In short, people are tired of Texas style politics where you dig in your heels and bray like an ass, even if you're wrong.

The problem is that segments in the R party pulled to the right with such zealous fervor that they are making the party uncompetitive. And they are using the primaries to "purify their party" of moderates. The Republicans are having their own pandemic called the religious right pox. Moderate people just don't like the message. Defections like Specters will help keep the Democrats in the center. The reverse is true, the only thing keeping the Republicans from spinning off into obsurity are the moderates in the party.

The religious right may indeed win the war for the soul of the R party, but that R will stand for Religiosity and no one will vote for that.

lowing wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Lowing-

The Republicans nominated him, then elected him, he is still representing them but now has a " D " behind his name.  He is the same damn person with same liberal views.  Can't help it if the Republican party is so fucking liberal they border Democrats now.  Keep voting Republican, I am sure they will get on that border thing and balanced budget right away /BIG TIME SARCASM

Who gives a shit, it changes nothing.  Just like Bush and Republicans holding everything for 2 years changed nothing.

If it didn't matter like you insist, then there was no need to change parties was there? Fact is, it does matter, and you know it.

FrankJ wrote:

Now that we finally scared Arlen Specter away, enough with putting up with whiny weaklings in the Republican Party. We already can’t break a filibuster, so losing a few more won’t make things worse. It’s time for The Purge™.

Let’s get rid of the liberals - and anyone who refers to a liberal as a moderate. If you voted for Obama’s trillions, you can’t be a Republican. And it’s time to finally bury Bush’s idea of “Compassionate Conservatism”. Here were the main tenets of it:

* We should not actively seek to harm poor people.

* Hippies should not be punched to the point of death.

* Enemy combatants should not be tortured just for entertainment.

* If we’re going to round up liberals into camps, the camps should at least have sanitary drinking water.

* We need better reasons for declaring war on a country than, “Nothing good is on TV.”

No more! It’s time to get back to the conservatism that tears apart everything that gets in front of it. It is time for the strong to crush the weak. It is time for the earners in this country to keep their money and all others to starve. It is time for The Purge™, the restoration of awesomeness to the Republican Party. Let only the strong survive.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

The problem with the Republican party is that they believe in sides, right v wrong, blue v gray, D v R, True Americans v false Americans. The "get on your side and stay there" mentality has played itself out and people are tired of the BS.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

In short, people are tired of Texas style politics where you dig in your heels and bray like an ass, even if you're wrong.

FEOS wrote:

Specter defected because he knew he wouldn't win the Republican primary that's coming up. That's it. The ideology is just eyewash. He didn't do it for his constituents, he didn't do it for his conscience. He did it for the same reason every politician does everything: to feed his ego.

ATG wrote:

Well, you have to know which guys are consideed rhinos; he ws one, as is mccain.

I say fuck 'em.

Things in America will devolve to the point that we get a viable third party or a revolution.

I don't care which anymore tbh.

Braddock wrote:

We are fat, apathetic Westerners. The only thing we will get off our couches for is the remote control or more consumable items to fill our fat Western bellies with!

Diesel_dyk wrote:

lowing wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Specter has been in the senate for over two decades, and the party has changed significantly since then, he as a man and his views have not changed, but the party has.

Don't know his record, I do know the people voted in a republican and NOT a democrat. It is a republican that should be representing the people.

Last I checked you vote for the candidate, he is the person running for office, he holds the seat, not the party. And you voted for a candidate based on their position on the issues. The candidates membership in a party is only one of many reasons to vote for the person, and by no means is it the most important reason or an over riding reason.

Pulling the lever for a party ticket doesn't mean you voted for the party, you voted for the candidates that the party endorsed.
If one of the candidates has a falling out with the party oh well too bad so sad. In fact, there shouldn't be a short cut to vote the ticket, that's just lazy. and I see no reason why we couldn't vote for the best presidential candidate and the best VP regardless of party. Could you imagine PBO and VP Sarah Palin...that would be a sit com.

That said, I would like to see recall legislation that applied to all politicians. But a politician being recalled because they jumped from one party to another would be a poor reason for recall  IMO.

Last edited by lowing (2009-04-30 05:42:43)

Kmarion wrote:

There is an election coming up. Until then my official postion is (fart).

The Dems virtually had a super majority. All they needed was one or two defectors. .. something Specter did anyways. This entire thread is much ado about nothing. Do people really think it means something because this guy changed his official label?