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Diesel_dyk wrote:

This plane was the backup to air force one... its pretty distinctive looking, and it had a fighter escort. No one noticed that before getting scared. People must have thought Air force one was the plane for Osama not Obama...

And Bloomberg switched from Democrat to Republican when he ran for mayor and he wants Obama's job... he can STFU who does he think he is Rudy Giuliani



And I would have thought this would have caused more panic than air force onehttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … rop%29.jpg

dafuck.. It's an 747, you think an F-16 tailing it would have calmed ppl? I looked at the video from the ground and there was nothing that shouted "Presidential Backup".


Your second pic.
It didn't cause as much of a panic because it was not near the financial district and not as many ppl saw it.. It was a smaller plane, by an airport, and making emergency turns at only 3k feet..

Kmarion wrote:

dafuck.. It's an 747, you think an F-16 tailing it would have calmed ppl? I looked at the video from the ground and there was nothing that shouted "Presidential Backup".

Point is that the Guiliani days where he was constantly crying 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 are over. Its obvious that its still raw for New Yorkers even after 7 years but I don't think the Federal govt has to ask the permission from a mayor, any mayor, to do a fly over.

And even with the crappy video on youtube you can see its the presidential plane.

I'm sure they didn't want to tell the public the flyby was going to happen because ... wait, why didn't they want to tell the public?

I should add that I am sure that Obama had nothing to do with the decision not to make a public announcement about the fly over.

Rather, when secret service makes their assessment of the use of the second presidential plane, I am sure that they would have nixed any public announcement for national security reasons to protect the president.

If secret service had to move the president in the other plane because something happened, or if the president wanted to travel and the decoy plane was over New York, AND a week or so before the photo op they TOLD everyone where the decoy plane would be, then everyone would know, including terrorists and hostile nations, that where ever the other plane that wasn't over New York that that plane had the president in it. I'm sure the lack of public annoucement was for national security reasons.

Bloomberg's an idiot if he acts mad over this.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

dafuck.. It's an 747, you think an F-16 tailing it would have calmed ppl? I looked at the video from the ground and there was nothing that shouted "Presidential Backup".

Point is that the Guiliani days where he was constantly crying 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 are over. Its obvious that its still raw for New Yorkers even after 7 years but I don't think the Federal govt has to ask the permission from a mayor, any mayor, to do a fly over.

And even with the crappy video on youtube you can see its the presidential plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbDXgVXHp4U

It looks anything but obvious to me. Hindsight is convenient. They also announce everywhere the president goes. Logic would dictate a presidential plane ruled out.

Should local governments be warned if a commercial airliner enters an off limits densely populated area that was once the site of a major terrorist attack? The answer seems rather obvious... although I don't think it is the mayors personal job to get the word out.

Don't assume that everyone had the same vantage in your youtube video also  (even though it too was not clear).
My buddy in the City said. "Yea. I didn't even realize this happened actually. Maybe cause I never watch the news" So I think this only affected ppl who saw it from a distance being chased by a fighter.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

I should add that I am sure that Obama had nothing to do with the decision not to make a public announcement about the fly over.

Rather, when secret service makes their assessment of the use of the second presidential plane, I am sure that they would have nixed any public announcement for national security reasons to protect the president.

If secret service had to move the president in the other plane because something happened, or if the president wanted to travel and the decoy plane was over New York, AND a week or so before the photo op they TOLD everyone where the decoy plane would be, then everyone would know, including terrorists and hostile nations, that where ever the other plane that wasn't over New York that that plane had the president in it. I'm sure the lack of public annoucement was for national security reasons.

Bloomberg's an idiot if he acts mad over this.

I don't think the Secret Service has anything to do with it, the plane is technically Air Force property.

Could be wrong though.

Narupug wrote:

san4 wrote:

I'm sure they didn't want to tell the public the flyby was going to happen because ... wait, why didn't they want to tell the public?

I guess they didn't want the terrorists pulling out their surface to air missles to try and scare the **** out of the american public by downing a presidential plane. Not saying that they would have suceeded but they have some top secret stuff on that thing that they don't want the public, more specifically terrorists, to know.

But they do tell where and when. I have caught AF1 plenty of times flying in on camera..

Kmarion wrote:

Narupug wrote:

san4 wrote:

I'm sure they didn't want to tell the public the flyby was going to happen because ... wait, why didn't they want to tell the public?

I guess they didn't want the terrorists pulling out their surface to air missles to try and scare the **** out of the american public by downing a presidential plane. Not saying that they would have suceeded but they have some top secret stuff on that thing that they don't want the public, more specifically terrorists, to know.

But they do tell where and when. I have caught AF1 plenty of times flying in on camera..

That's cool, I've seen Marine 1 once when I was in DC.  Well I mean New York being a highly populated city, my best guess might be either not wanting everyone to know it was coming and whip out their camera's (why?) or they didn't want some hooligan pulling something (who would do that?).  Maybe they even wanted to scare people ****less to keep them on their toes or to see what the response would be. (pretty cruel.)

Kmarion wrote:

Narupug wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

But they do tell where and when. I have caught AF1 plenty of times flying in on camera..

That's cool, I've seen Marine 1 once when I was in DC.  Well I mean New York being a highly populated city, my best guess might be either not wanting everyone to know it was coming and whip out their camera's (why?) or they didn't want some hooligan pulling something (who would do that?).  Maybe they even wanted to scare people ****less to keep them on their toes or to see what the response would be. (pretty cruel.)

They tell NY'ers when the president is coming in too . This was just not thought out. I also don't think there should be some public outcry.

Yeah lol "YOU MADE US **** OUR PANTS, YOU SHOULD APOLIGIZE"

Kmarion wrote:

It looks anything but obvious to me. Hindsight is convenient. They also announce everywhere the president goes. Logic would dictate a presidential plane ruled out.

As far as I know, the president always travels with both planes. The second is both back up and decoy. If the decoy is being used for something else, I'm sure that the secret service doesn't want anyone to know that. They would rather have people think that the president might be on the plane over New York.

And I wouldn't call that hindsight, I would call is contingency planning. and it wouldn't do much good to tell everyone if the plan to protect the president by using a decoy plane depended on subterfuge. I wouldn't doubt there will be a press release saying as much.

IMO some people just want to be angry at PBO for what ever reason.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

It looks anything but obvious to me. Hindsight is convenient. They also announce everywhere the president goes. Logic would dictate a presidential plane ruled out.

As far as I know, the president always travels with both planes. The second is both back up and decoy. If the decoy is being used for something else, I'm sure that the secret service doesn't want anyone to know that. They would rather have people think that the president might be on the plane over New York.

And I wouldn't call that hindsight, I would call is contingency planning. and it wouldn't do much good to tell everyone if the plan to protect the president by using a decoy plane depended on subterfuge. I wouldn't doubt there will be a press release saying as much.

IMO some people just want to be angry at PBO for what ever reason.

Hindsight would be IF someone passed judgment on reactions after the fact. The flight path is real clear coming in to Macdill AFB too (a wee bit scary). We know when and where his plane is. There really isn't reason for New yorkers to think that the Presidents (2nd) plane was in New York today, decoy or not. Especially when Obama is over 200 miles away.

I'm not angry, and a couple of my buddies who live in the city aren't neither. Media hype and political pandering is all this is. This story will be dead by the w/e.

Don't worry, Obama has more scare tactics up his sleeves. Next he'll fake poisoning in rice crackers across Massachusetts.

AussieReaper wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Don't worry, Obama has more scare tactics up his sleeves. Next he'll fake poisoning in rice crackers across Massachusetts.

The swine flu is all an Obama conspiracy.

I think it has something to do with a creative poke at capitalist pigs, but it was probably Michelle's idea.