Same here. This chick I know got a bunch from Miami and gave me one when I was in Vegas. It tastes like utter shit, it goes out like crazy, and it gets hot at the end you put your mouth up to. Not to mention you have to charge the filter all the fucking time just so it works. I'll take my old-fashioned cancer sticks thank you very much.King_County_Downy wrote:
I'm still pissed about these fire safety cigarettes. They taste like shit and they keep going out. GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
/Hulk Smash Puny Human!!!
the business I work in deals with the FDA all the time. A whole lot of red tape.
The FDA wants you to get cancer... so they test products extensively before allowing them to be sold to the public. Riiiiiiiight.
Besides, it's not like the FDA is forcing you to smoke cigs. That's your decision. Stop blaming others for your own addictions/poor choices.
Besides, it's not like the FDA is forcing you to smoke cigs. That's your decision. Stop blaming others for your own addictions/poor choices.
Hmm your right, I totally forgot when I posted earlier about how I started smoking because the FDA forced me to.mtb0minime wrote:
The FDA wants you to get cancer... so they test products extensively before allowing them to be sold to the public. Riiiiiiiight.
Besides, it's not like the FDA is forcing you to smoke cigs. That's your decision. Stop blaming others for your own addictions/poor choices.
I should stop complaining when they withhold a product from being mass produced which could save plenty of lives and when the alternative to it is extremely dangerous.
Research has proven you're 150% cooler with real ones.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Same here. This chick I know got a bunch from Miami and gave me one when I was in Vegas. It tastes like utter shit, it goes out like crazy, and it gets hot at the end you put your mouth up to. Not to mention you have to charge the filter all the fucking time just so it works. I'll take my old-fashioned cancer sticks thank you very much.King_County_Downy wrote:
I'm still pissed about these fire safety cigarettes. They taste like shit and they keep going out. GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
/Hulk Smash Puny Human!!!
I tend to believe it as well; you'd look like a tool with one of those ciggies
ThisMacbeth wrote:
It calms my nerves and gives me something to do when bored. I like having something to relax myself from time to time.kylef wrote:
Here's a better idea: just don't smoke.Macbeth wrote:
They want you to get lung cancer and die rather then try something new. Great right?
I wish i never started fucking smoking. For real.
Yeah frapping is pretty sweet.Roger Lesboules wrote:
ThisMacbeth wrote:
It calms my nerves and gives me something to do when bored. I like having something to relax myself from time to time.
Heh, I vote the FDA be given time to make sure there is no problem with the product.
That's what they are there for.
That's what they are there for.
Wrong. The FDA wants you to get cancer, keep your cancer, spend $50,000+ on treatments, chemotherapy, radiation, pharmaceutical drugs. And, after the fact, die broken and penny less.Macbeth wrote:
They want you to get lung cancer and die rather then try something new. Great right?
FDA doesn't want to evaluate any thing not approved by them, their conglomerates, Monsanto, or the pharmaceutical giants if they can't get patents on something to make millions of dollars off of sheeple.
Truth.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
The FDA's management is appointed by whatever administration is in power. Lobbyists influence administrations and can therefore influence the FDA.Macbeth wrote:
I know the title was a bit of sarcasm, would have made more sense if it said "The FDA would rather have you get cancer and die."Turquoise wrote:
The FDA doesn't want you to get cancer.
They want you to keep buying cigarrettes because tobacco lobbyists pay the government to make sure alternatives are either expensive or less satisfying.
Could have sworn the FDA was a independent government agency unable to be lobbied.
More blatant examples of lobbyist influence on government agencies involve the FCC.
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Macbeth wrote:
Could have sworn the FDA was a independent government agency unable to be lobbied.
Just research Monsanto and FDA more. A LOT of people who worked for Monsanto (Chemical corporations creating genetically modified seeds made for human, and animal consumption) now work for the FDA and visa verse.
There is no coincidence there. Monsanto has heavy influence in the FDA for passing their GMO's for "safe" human consumption.
JUST NOW, people are finally realizing the mistakes they made with rBGH. (Recombinant bovine growth hormone, a synthetic drug created by Monsanto) Which they injected into cows for little gain, at the cost of major health risks to cows, and humans.
It's a sad, sad story.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
I still don't understand how people aren't taking up arms to get rid of gov't corruption, lobbyists, etc. I wanna be a minuteman. If i was sitting at the bar, and mel gibson walked in saying long live king george, id sign up. Fuck this world, and the dumbasses that live here.
Have you ever researched what the added material is actually made of that you are now inhaling? Don't you wonder why they taste different?King_County_Downy wrote:
I'm still pissed about these fire safety cigarettes. They taste like shit and they keep going out. GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
/Hulk Smash Puny Human!!!
If I were an addicted cigarette smoker, I'd roll my own, with papers I know are actually, just paper.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
3 drops of pure nicotine is lethal to adults.Macbeth wrote:
There is no tobacco just pure nicotine liquid inside. The tube warms up the nicotine into vapor and you inhale the vapor and blow it out.
If that e-cigarette breaks in your mouth because you bite down on it, you WILL DIE.
And you are complaining that shipments of these were prevented?
omg
Nicotine is NOT a safe and happy drug just because it doesn't give you cancer like tobacco can.
No, they don't. It's argued that addiction to smokes is partly psychological in that it becomes a habit.rammunition wrote:
ok, the nicotine cigarette should be available, it is in Europe i think. im sure in America you can get nicotine chewing gum and patches. they still do the same thing in helping off smokingMacbeth wrote:
Awesome, fuck having a slightly safer alternative on the market. Pff it's not like people have a right over their own bodiesrammunition wrote:
QFT
you smoke and get cancer, its the individuals fault
I have a mate who gave up smoking by substituting them for toothpicks. Instead of smoking he carries toothpicks and fiddles with them instead.
@ Reaps, I believe that you have to ingest it, not just get it in your mouth.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
*Insert a "Spits or Swallows?" joke.Flecco wrote:
@ Reaps, I believe that you have to ingest it, not just get it in your mouth.
They are handing out very lethal drugs either way. You could break one open, pour it into your mates coffee and kill them easily.
Ah you could pour a lot of different things into people's coffee and kill them easily.AussieReaper wrote:
*Insert a "Spits or Swallows?" joke.Flecco wrote:
@ Reaps, I believe that you have to ingest it, not just get it in your mouth.
They are handing out very lethal drugs either way. You could break one open, pour it into your mates coffee and kill them easily.
If the government actually gave a damn about peoples health to that level, they would have just outright banned fags.
We ban speeding, drugs, guns etc etc etc, pretty sure smoking kills more p/a than those combined.
Smokers however, are massive fucking walking £ signs, the government <3's the tax on tobacco, hence why it'll never be banned.
We ban speeding, drugs, guns etc etc etc, pretty sure smoking kills more p/a than those combined.
Smokers however, are massive fucking walking £ signs, the government <3's the tax on tobacco, hence why it'll never be banned.
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Yeah, but how many of those substances can you find in the super market that are clear, tasteless, odourless and will kill with just 3 drops?Macbeth wrote:
Ah you could pour a lot of different things into people's coffee and kill them easily.
lol what silly argument. If you really want to kill somebody by poisoning getting a real poison isn't that hard to do or wouldn't be that much of a hassle.AussieReaper wrote:
Yeah, but how many of those substances can you find in the super market that are clear, tasteless, odourless and will kill with just 3 drops?Macbeth wrote:
Ah you could pour a lot of different things into people's coffee and kill them easily.
Aussie does have a good point though, Mac.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Im_Dooomed wrote:
Aussie does have a good point though, Mac.
Further more there are plenty of substances which could kill a person which isn't at all that hard to get your hands on. By that logic we should also ban steak knives since somebody could go into a kitchen and get one and kill somebody.Macbeth wrote:
lol what silly argument. If you really want to kill somebody by poisoning getting a real poison isn't that hard to do or wouldn't be that much of a hassle.AussieReaper wrote:
Yeah, but how many of those substances can you find in the super market that are clear, tasteless, odourless and will kill with just 3 drops?Macbeth wrote:
Ah you could pour a lot of different things into people's coffee and kill them easily.
It doesn't make any sense to ban something that could reduce the amount of deaths from cancer because in theory it could be used to kill someone. Also with smart regulation there could be set standards on the nicotine fluid to make them have a color so that it would make a cup of coffee blue or pink.
They kind of fucked up when they allowed cigarettes to be sold then didn't they?motherdear wrote:
it's called testing and they are right to do it. imagine the scandal it would be for the FDA if this stuff was a health risk, let them run their tests and make sure it's safe enough for them to guaranty or come up with proof that they actually do have tests that clearly shows no health risks.
You're missing the detectability part. For example, rat poison is easy to obtain, but it's not exactly subtle.Macbeth wrote:
Im_Dooomed wrote:
Aussie does have a good point though, Mac.Further more there are plenty of substances which could kill a person which isn't at all that hard to get your hands on. By that logic we should also ban steak knives since somebody could go into a kitchen and get one and kill somebody.Macbeth wrote:
lol what silly argument. If you really want to kill somebody by poisoning getting a real poison isn't that hard to do or wouldn't be that much of a hassle.AussieReaper wrote:
Yeah, but how many of those substances can you find in the super market that are clear, tasteless, odourless and will kill with just 3 drops?
It doesn't make any sense to ban something that could reduce the amount of deaths from cancer because in theory it could be used to kill someone. Also with smart regulation there could be set standards on the nicotine fluid to make them have a color so that it would make a cup of coffee blue or pink.