lol. Just lol.DoctaStrangelove wrote:
I can download streaming video/musicz, it's not hard.Zimmer wrote:
Oh so wrong. Oh so very wrong.Jenspm wrote:
My guess is that most music will be 100% free and legal within 15 years.
Maybe to stream. Never EVER to download.
Just get the DownloadHelper FireFox extension.
I can download music from torrent sites, it's not hard.DoctaStrangelove wrote:
I can download streaming video/musicz, it's not hard.Zimmer wrote:
Oh so wrong. Oh so very wrong.Jenspm wrote:
My guess is that most music will be 100% free and legal within 15 years.
Maybe to stream. Never EVER to download.
Just get the DownloadHelper FireFox extension.
Just get uTorrent.
Honestly, I don't care. I don't download music and movies for free. Never have, never will. I buy my stuff.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
cool beans.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Honestly, I don't care. I don't download music and movies for free. Never have, never will. I buy my stuff.
Well, good for you, and I will as well, if I think it's worth me shelling out the stupid prices things cost now. If it isn't, then screw the system.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Honestly, I don't care. I don't download music and movies for free. Never have, never will. I buy my stuff.
Basically yea. I really don't have a lot of music/movies so.... Maybe it's just not my thing.Zimmer wrote:
Well, good for you, and I will as well, if I think it's worth me shelling out the stupid prices things cost now. If it isn't, then screw the system.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Honestly, I don't care. I don't download music and movies for free. Never have, never will. I buy my stuff.
edit: If one can get in trouble from it... -I'm that guy who always gets caught.
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Logic fail. The logic is that they knowingly facilitated the illegal spread of copyrighted material, not that they ran a legit company that people happened to commit illegal acts through which the owners/operators had no knowledge of.Spark wrote:
With that logic, we should jail mothers for giving birth to potential Hitlers.
indeed.Zimmer wrote:
Well, good for you, and I will as well, if I think it's worth me shelling out the stupid prices things cost now. If it isn't, then screw the system.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Honestly, I don't care. I don't download music and movies for free. Never have, never will. I buy my stuff.
Over here it's £15 for a newish CD. 'sif I'm paying that.
Without pirating, I wouldn't be listening to anything other than U2, Dire Straits, Queen, The Killers, and some others. Fuck, I probably wouldn't have an mp3 player.
Thank god I can download and enjoy new music. Without pirating, I wouldn't have heard of 90% of the artists I listen to regularly.
so yeah, <3 pirating.
Jenspm wrote:
so yeah, <3 pirating.
Well, yes and no. They did run a legit company and that company happened to have people that committed illegal acts, such as uploading music. Now, that they had no knowledge of that is another matter. But the facilitation part is a bit iffy....KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Logic fail. The logic is that they knowingly facilitated the illegal spread of copyrighted material, not that they ran a legit company that people happened to commit illegal acts through which the owners/operators had no knowledge of.Spark wrote:
With that logic, we should jail mothers for giving birth to potential Hitlers.
If music was any good nowadays... the music isn't even worth downloading for free...lol
another thing i love is when i put one of my own cds(stire bought) in my computer... and it wont play on my computer because it says the song is missing it's license... How is that possible if i have never shared music or even copied the store bought disc..lol?
another thing i love is when i put one of my own cds(stire bought) in my computer... and it wont play on my computer because it says the song is missing it's license... How is that possible if i have never shared music or even copied the store bought disc..lol?
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So, do you consider yourself a theif?Jenspm wrote:
indeed.
Over here it's £15 for a newish CD. 'sif I'm paying that.
Without pirating, I wouldn't be listening to anything other than U2, Dire Straits, Queen, The Killers, and some others. Fuck, I probably wouldn't have an mp3 player.
Thank god I can download and enjoy new music. Without pirating, I wouldn't have heard of 90% of the artists I listen to regularly.
so yeah, <3 pirating.
The best argument I've heard for this if one owns a song on CD why should they have to pay for it again in a different format?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Actually, don't bands get more money from touring than from the sale of CDs? I mean, after the record companies have taken their share...Jenspm wrote:
indeed.Zimmer wrote:
Well, good for you, and I will as well, if I think it's worth me shelling out the stupid prices things cost now. If it isn't, then screw the system.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Honestly, I don't care. I don't download music and movies for free. Never have, never will. I buy my stuff.
Over here it's £15 for a newish CD. 'sif I'm paying that.
Without pirating, I wouldn't be listening to anything other than U2, Dire Straits, Queen, The Killers, and some others. Fuck, I probably wouldn't have an mp3 player.
Thank god I can download and enjoy new music. Without pirating, I wouldn't have heard of 90% of the artists I listen to regularly.
so yeah, <3 pirating.
I agree with Jens, pirating music has really introduced me to a lot of new artists, who I would gladly pay to see live. If I wasn't pirating music, I would have never heard about them and I would never have purchased a concert ticket.
Haha. A thief. Oh god.DBBrinson1 wrote:
So, do you consider yourself a theif?
The best argument I've heard for this if one owns a song on CD why should they have to pay for it again in a different format?
Look, put it this way. If it wasn't for pirating, sharing and downloading, half of the bands in the world wouldn't be as popular as they are now and wouldn't be swimming in money. Get your head out of your ass. If it wasn't for the internet community, many bands wouldn't even exist, let alone make millions.
Taking £15 from a band that makes millions on tour dates alone? I don't call that theft, I call that "appreciating their music". I actually downloaded it in the first place, so they have a place in my heart.
Do I feel for these bands that lose a few million a year because of pirating? No, I don't GIVE A FUCKING SHIT. Why? Because there are starving children out there, families with nothing and companies are suing people over some stupid music they downloaded because they are losing money? That's PURE GREED.
And now, for the stupid "what about all the small bands that never make it big because of pirating". That simply isn't true. People respect what others do, be it music or film or whatever. People aren't dickish enough to screw over a new, sprouting band because they like their music. People, WILL, however, fuck over the companies and bands who are sad that some of their music is getting pirated.
Take the example of the album by Radiohead, In Rainbows. It was available for free to download. Guess what? They made more money on that album alone than their previous albums. And it was FREE.
Yeah, my dad bought it and chose to pay €15 for it or something because that's what he thought it was worth, really a brilliant idea from Radiohead, showing that people who appreciate the music will support the artist.Zimmer wrote:
Haha. A thief. Oh god.DBBrinson1 wrote:
So, do you consider yourself a theif?
The best argument I've heard for this if one owns a song on CD why should they have to pay for it again in a different format?
Look, put it this way. If it wasn't for pirating, sharing and downloading, half of the bands in the world wouldn't be as popular as they are now and wouldn't be swimming in money. Get your head out of your ass. If it wasn't for the internet community, many bands wouldn't even exist, let alone make millions.
Taking £15 from a band that makes millions on tour dates alone? I don't call that theft, I call that "appreciating their music". I actually downloaded it in the first place, so they have a place in my heart.
Do I feel for these bands that lose a few million a year because of pirating? No, I don't GIVE A FUCKING SHIT. Why? Because there are starving children out there, families with nothing and companies are suing people over some stupid music they downloaded because they are losing money? That's PURE GREED.
And now, for the stupid "what about all the small bands that never make it big because of pirating". That simply isn't true. People respect what others do, be it music or film or whatever. People aren't dickish enough to screw over a new, sprouting band because they like their music. People, WILL, however, fuck over the companies and bands who are sad that some of their music is getting pirated.
Take the example of the album by Radiohead, In Rainbows. It was available for free to download. Guess what? They made more money on that album alone than their previous albums. And it was FREE.
MP3 player companies make a fortune out of piracy. Think about it. Who actually owns enough CD's to fill a 120Gb iPod?
According to Apple, that's 30,000 songs. At say, 15 songs an album, that's 2000 albums. Call it 10 pounds an album, which frankly, is far cheaper than they actually are, but for the sake of simplicity, that's 20,000 pounds. I refuse to believe anyone has spent that on CD's. Even at higher bitrates (I don't know what Apple use for there examples, probably 128kb/s) you're still talking 5000 pounds.
According to Apple, that's 30,000 songs. At say, 15 songs an album, that's 2000 albums. Call it 10 pounds an album, which frankly, is far cheaper than they actually are, but for the sake of simplicity, that's 20,000 pounds. I refuse to believe anyone has spent that on CD's. Even at higher bitrates (I don't know what Apple use for there examples, probably 128kb/s) you're still talking 5000 pounds.
Get my head out of my ass? Weak, what did I do to justify that? I asked a question (not even to you -btw). I see you are an end justifys the means person. So by your logic, why aren't the bands all giving away their music? Go up to most musicians and tell them you download their music for free. What do you think they'd say to you. I bet most wouldn't want you for a fan.Zimmer wrote:
Haha. A thief. Oh god.DBBrinson1 wrote:
So, do you consider yourself a theif?
The best argument I've heard for this if one owns a song on CD why should they have to pay for it again in a different format?
Look, put it this way. If it wasn't for pirating, sharing and downloading, half of the bands in the world wouldn't be as popular as they are now and wouldn't be swimming in money. Get your head out of your ass. If it wasn't for the internet community, many bands wouldn't even exist, let alone make millions.
Taking £15 from a band that makes millions on tour dates alone? I don't call that theft, I call that "appreciating their music". I actually downloaded it in the first place, so they have a place in my heart.
Do I feel for these bands that lose a few million a year because of pirating? No, I don't GIVE A FUCKING SHIT. Why? Because there are starving children out there, families with nothing and companies are suing people over some stupid music they downloaded because they are losing money? That's PURE GREED.
And now, for the stupid "what about all the small bands that never make it big because of pirating". That simply isn't true. People respect what others do, be it music or film or whatever. People aren't dickish enough to screw over a new, sprouting band because they like their music. People, WILL, however, fuck over the companies and bands who are sad that some of their music is getting pirated.
Take the example of the album by Radiohead, In Rainbows. It was available for free to download. Guess what? They made more money on that album alone than their previous albums. And it was FREE.
See, I think pure greed is a bit different. You're the one going clepto on all the music you can find. How big is your pirated collection and how much would it be worth if you actually paid for it? You download music from bands you've never heard of? You have no idea if you'd like them or not, yet you download it anyways... That Sir, is PURE GREED.
People respect what others do, be it music or film..... By downloading a 'sprouting band' is being dickish by not paying them. They aren't U2, they need the money.
That's great that Radiohead decided to give away their music, but that's why it wont work as an example here. Radiohead gave it away, you didn't have to steal it.
*edit: As to the Radiohead.... Did you download it? And I'm sure you donated too right?
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
This proves my point. They GAVE it away.Sydney wrote:
Yeah, my dad bought it and chose to pay €15 for it or something because that's what he thought it was worth, really a brilliant idea from Radiohead, showing that people who appreciate the music will support the artist.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Actually, I would pay for music if I was buying an actual CD, not just buying it digitally, problem is, none of the music I'm listening to is sold here, so if I wanted to buy a retail album I would have to buy it online and have it shipped here, double or even tripling the original price. If I saw a CD of one of my favorite bands whose discography I own illegally in a store, I would buy it without thinking twice.
I just don't like to pay for something I don't actually HAVE, you know what I mean?
I just don't like to pay for something I don't actually HAVE, you know what I mean?
K-man's format argument. I could see that.Sydney wrote:
Actually, I would pay for music if I was buying an actual CD, not just buying it digitally, problem is, none of the music I'm listening to is sold here, so if I wanted to buy a retail album I would have to buy it online and have it shipped here, double or even tripling the original price. If I saw a CD of one of my favorite bands whose discography I own illegally in a store, I would buy it without thinking twice.
I just don't like to pay for something I don't actually HAVE, you know what I mean?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
I grew up in the 80's when cassettes were the shiznit. I remember staying up all night to record a song on my boombox.
So i've been a pirate for along time.
So i've been a pirate for along time.
I could care less about the morality of downloading bits. I hate the ...
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The direction for the music industry is going to shift massively towards concerts and tours.
I could see music being free for download.
I could see music being free for download.
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Where did I say I download bands that i've never heard of prior to listening? Where did I say I download all the music I can find?DBBrinson1 wrote:
Get my head out of my ass? Weak, what did I do to justify that? I asked a question (not even to you -btw). I see you are an end justifys the means person. So by your logic, why aren't the bands all giving away their music? Go up to most musicians and tell them you download their music for free. What do you think they'd say to you. I bet most wouldn't want you for a fan.
See, I think pure greed is a bit different. You're the one going clepto on all the music you can find. How big is your pirated collection and how much would it be worth if you actually paid for it? You download music from bands you've never heard of? You have no idea if you'd like them or not, yet you download it anyways... That Sir, is PURE GREED.
People respect what others do, be it music or film..... By downloading a 'sprouting band' is being dickish by not paying them. They aren't U2, they need the money.
That's great that Radiohead decided to give away their music, but that's why it wont work as an example here. Radiohead gave it away, you didn't have to steal it.
Please, point me to those posts, or comments, because I don't seem to recall ever saying that.
I download bands I've never heard of if I like their music - I get a taste of their music from last.fm or spotify - and if I really do like them and will give them more than a few listens, then I will purchase their album (for example, I have all the Counting Crows, Explosions in the Sky, God is An Astronaut, The Get Up Kids albums) but when it's for casual listening now and again ( like pop start like Lady GaGa and shit ) then I will not buy their album? Why? Because it isn't stealing. They make enough money by just being alive.
Where did I say that people will download music from a new band? lol? Dude, you're reading shit that isn't there. I meant the opposite. People WILL support new and upcoming bands if they like them. How do you think they come about on torrent sites and shit anyway?
You still can't read. My example of Radiohead was perfectly justifiable. They chose to give it away, yet they got more money from it than if they had sold it as an item. People respect music and will pay what they think is necessary. If albums weren't as expensive as they are, then I'm pretty sure people would gladly pay for it, but when it comes down to buying the shit you get from iTunes, people will choose the better quality from an illegal download. Why? Because they will either pay a good price to get the physical CD or they will download it illegally. Buying MP3s off the internet is so pointless. If I am going to go to that extent, then I will pay the extra cash to buy the CD.
This can also be connected to DRM and games. EA games and all the other companies make a killing, yes? But they lose some of it through pirating, yes? Well when EA decided to go FULL BLOWN DRM and shit on all its gamers, the pirating of that game ( Spore, to be precise ) shot up by over 300%. Why? Because it wasn't a physical purchase anymore. It was a stupid CD that stopped working after the third install. So people told EA where to shove it and downloaded it illegally.
People want to be able to know that what they just bought is completely theirs and something they can touch. Otherwise, it's like buying love. It's pointless. So when it comes to paying £9.99 online for some shitty 256KBPS music, people will tell the companies where to shove it and download it illegally.
You should have stopped two weeks ago when Sweden changed their laws requiring ISPs, servers etc to supply IP addresses of people engaged in theft of copyright material.ghettoperson wrote:
Does this mean I should probably stop using TPB? Anyway, I thought they had a pretty much airtight case and the Swedish government couldn't touch them?
I dread the day when they force everyone onto Internet 2 where everyone will have an identifier number. Bad enough now that the tech is getting fast enough to filter everything on the net.... the Internet is doomed to become another virtual wasteland like a cyber strip mall.