I'm sure Jesus was guilty, just like the rest.Man With No Name wrote:
Im sure many of them were innocent of any crime.
Jesus was God in the flesh of man. He was made in man's image to show the world that God was willing to offer an ultimate sacrifice for the sins of humanity. It was as if God sent Jesus to sort of clean the slate for all the sins created by humanity since the Old Testament. That action (God sending his son as a sacrifice for humanity) was supposed to convince man that we too had to sacrifice for our sins, and to convince man that God was not the spiteful God of the Old Testament, but a loving God who so loved the world he gave up his only son blah blah... (John 3:16).DBBrinson1 wrote:
I think it had something to do with... Eventhough he knew he was going to die, it was by his own free choosing to do so -he could have avoided it.
But don't quote me on this.
I guess its the ultimate sacrifce thats the big deal. A sign of gods love etc.Man with no mane wrote:
f everything that happened was supposed to happen, whats the big deal?
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I guess its the ultimate sacrifce thats the big deal. A sign of gods love etc.Man with no mane wrote:
f everything that happened was supposed to happen, whats the big deal?
I thought that was the point, he sacrificed himself to enlighten others.GS wrote:
If Jesus Knew His Fate and did absolutely nothing to avoid it, whats the big deal?
Goddammit... You quoted me.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Jesus was God in the flesh of man. He was made in man's image to show the world that God was willing to offer an ultimate sacrifice for the sins of humanity. It was as if God sent Jesus to sort of clean the slate for all the sins created by humanity since the Old Testament. That action (God sending his son as a sacrifice for humanity) was supposed to convince man that we too had to sacrifice for our sins, and to convince man that God was not the spiteful God of the Old Testament, but a loving God who so loved the world he gave up his only son blah blah... (John 3:16).DBBrinson1 wrote:
I think it had something to do with... Eventhough he knew he was going to die, it was by his own free choosing to do so -he could have avoided it.
But don't quote me on this.
It's not that Jesus knew his fate and did nothing to change it, it was as if it could not happen any other way - he was "programmed" to do so for the sake of humanity.
Well, if you had nails put through your hands/wrists and feet then hauled up by said nails after getting flogged and beaten to the extent you need someone to help carry your method of dying, I don't think you'd give two shits whether you were going to see the world afterwards or not. There is a difference between getting shot and getting held up by nails.Flecco wrote:
When you're immortal, you know you're immortal, and you know you're headed for heaven no matter what, and heaven is meant to be the perfect place, then I can't really see dying as such a biggy.
Because that same God gave man free will.Turquoise wrote:
Well... let's take it a step further. If an omnipotent, omniscient being created a race that it knew beforehand would fuck things up... what's the point of salvation and damnation? The game is rigged if the guy who created it knew the outcome before it even happened and has the power to set things up however he wants.
But he already knew he was going to fuck up. Wouldn't it be a fucked up thing to create a race that you knew was going to fuck up and then punish them for it?FEOS wrote:
Because that same God gave man free will.Turquoise wrote:
Well... let's take it a step further. If an omnipotent, omniscient being created a race that it knew beforehand would fuck things up... what's the point of salvation and damnation? The game is rigged if the guy who created it knew the outcome before it even happened and has the power to set things up however he wants.
You give them free will and tell them what they need to do. Then they have the choice to do what is right (in your eyes) or not. You know right off the bat that some won't.Macbeth wrote:
But he already knew he was going to fuck up. Wouldn't it be a fucked up thing to create a race that you knew was going to fuck up and then punish them for it?FEOS wrote:
Because that same God gave man free will.Turquoise wrote:
Well... let's take it a step further. If an omnipotent, omniscient being created a race that it knew beforehand would fuck things up... what's the point of salvation and damnation? The game is rigged if the guy who created it knew the outcome before it even happened and has the power to set things up however he wants.
Still sounds fucked up to give him will knowing he is going to fuck up then punish him for fucking up even though you new he would all the time without giving him 100% proof you exist.FEOS wrote:
You give them free will and tell them what they need to do. Then they have the choice to do what is right (in your eyes) or not. You know right off the bat that some won't.Macbeth wrote:
But he already knew he was going to fuck up. Wouldn't it be a fucked up thing to create a race that you knew was going to fuck up and then punish them for it?FEOS wrote:
Because that same God gave man free will.
Maybe He's just a big insecure teddy bear that needs someone to choose to love Him.
Yeah, well that is what faith is: belief absent proof.Macbeth wrote:
Still sounds fucked up to give him will knowing he is going to fuck up then punish him for fucking up even though you new he would all the time without giving him 100% proof you exist.FEOS wrote:
You give them free will and tell them what they need to do. Then they have the choice to do what is right (in your eyes) or not. You know right off the bat that some won't.Macbeth wrote:
But he already knew he was going to fuck up. Wouldn't it be a fucked up thing to create a race that you knew was going to fuck up and then punish them for it?
Maybe He's just a big insecure teddy bear that needs someone to choose to love Him.
What about that group of people who never hear about God or Jesus? They make whatever fuck up they make then get punished for it without even knowing the rules? What happens to them?FEOS wrote:
Yeah, well that is what faith is: belief absent proof.Macbeth wrote:
Still sounds fucked up to give him will knowing he is going to fuck up then punish him for fucking up even though you new he would all the time without giving him 100% proof you exist.FEOS wrote:
You give them free will and tell them what they need to do. Then they have the choice to do what is right (in your eyes) or not. You know right off the bat that some won't.
Maybe He's just a big insecure teddy bear that needs someone to choose to love Him.
And the whole point is you give man free will, knowing he can choose to fuck up, even though he has been told the punishment for doing so. Call it adult learning if you want.
No one knows, hence missionaries.Macbeth wrote:
What about that group of people who never hear about God or Jesus? They make whatever fuck up they make then get punished for it without even knowing the rules? What happens to them?FEOS wrote:
Yeah, well that is what faith is: belief absent proof.Macbeth wrote:
Still sounds fucked up to give him will knowing he is going to fuck up then punish him for fucking up even though you new he would all the time without giving him 100% proof you exist.
And the whole point is you give man free will, knowing he can choose to fuck up, even though he has been told the punishment for doing so. Call it adult learning if you want.
Nope. Those who haven't heard the Word of God aren't held responsible for not following it.Macbeth wrote:
What about that group of people who never hear about God or Jesus? They make whatever fuck up they make then get punished for it without even knowing the rules? What happens to them?FEOS wrote:
Yeah, well that is what faith is: belief absent proof.Macbeth wrote:
Still sounds fucked up to give him will knowing he is going to fuck up then punish him for fucking up even though you new he would all the time without giving him 100% proof you exist.
And the whole point is you give man free will, knowing he can choose to fuck up, even though he has been told the punishment for doing so. Call it adult learning if you want.
Well that is fair enough since they probably live in the middle of nowhere.FEOS wrote:
Nope. Those who haven't heard the Word of God aren't held responsible for not following it.Macbeth wrote:
What about that group of people who never hear about God or Jesus? They make whatever fuck up they make then get punished for it without even knowing the rules? What happens to them?FEOS wrote:
Yeah, well that is what faith is: belief absent proof.
And the whole point is you give man free will, knowing he can choose to fuck up, even though he has been told the punishment for doing so. Call it adult learning if you want.
I believe the Bible says something about Rapture won't come until every person has had a chance to hear and accept the Word of God.
I'm no Biblical scholar...that's just the way it's been explained to me by multiple people from multiple Christian denominations.Macbeth wrote:
Well that is fair enough since they probably live in the middle of nowhere.FEOS wrote:
Nope. Those who haven't heard the Word of God aren't held responsible for not following it.Macbeth wrote:
What about that group of people who never hear about God or Jesus? They make whatever fuck up they make then get punished for it without even knowing the rules? What happens to them?
I believe the Bible says something about Rapture won't come until every person has had a chance to hear and accept the Word of God.
That is a relief and a nice way of explaining to everyone why the rapture hasn't happened in 2000 years.
He knew His fate and He recognized that He had to go through with it, as it was His sacrifice that atoned for all people's sins. He asked His Father to "Take this cup from Me", but said that it should be the Father's will that was fulfilled to save Humankind from sin, and if that was the only way, it would have to be done. He was the only truly innocent and perfect human ever, but was also 100% God at the same time as being 100% Man. He was the atoning sacrifice for humanity and He knew it. That is why.Man With No Name wrote:
and did absolutely nothing to avoid it, whats the big deal? Why make a martyr out of someone who did nothing to avoid his doom? People died on the cross before and after, Im sure many of them were innocent of any crime.
if everything that happened was supposed to happen, whats the big deal?
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