blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6947
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are now the longest waged by an all-volunteer force in U.S. history. Even as soldiers rotate back into the field for multiple and extended tours, the Army requires a constant supply of new recruits. But the patriotic fervor that led so many to sign up after 9/11 is now eight years past. That leaves recruiters with perhaps the toughest, if not the most dangerous, job in the Army. Last year alone, the number of recruiters who killed themselves was triple the overall Army rate. Like posttraumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury, recruiter suicides are a hidden cost of the nation's wars.

Behind the neat desks and patriotic posters in 1,650 Army recruiting stations on Main Streets and in strip malls is a work environment as stressful in its own way as combat. The hours are long, time off is rare, and the demand to sign up at least two recruits a month is unrelenting. Soldiers who have returned from tours in Iraq and Afghanistan now constitute 73% of recruiters, up from 38% in 2005. And for many of them, the pressure is just too much. "These kids are coming back from Iraq with problems," says a former Army officer who recently worked in the Houston Recruiting Battalion.

The responsibility for providing troop replacements falls to the senior noncommissioned officers who have chosen to make recruiting their career in the U.S. Army Recruiting Command (USAREC). They in turn put pressure on their local recruiters to "make mission" and generate the recruits — sometimes by any means necessary. Lawrence Kagawa retired last July after more than 20 years in uniform; he spent the latter half as a highly decorated recruiter, and his tenure included a stint in the Houston battalion from 2002 to 2005. "There's one set of values for the Army, and when you go to Recruiting Command, you're basically forced to do things outside of what would normally be considered to be moral or ethical," he says.

It's not surprising, then, that some recruiters ignore red flags to enlist marginal candidates. "I've seen [recruiters] make kids drink gallons of water trying to flush marijuana out of their system before they take their physicals," one Houston recruiter says privately. "I've seen them forge signatures." Sign up a pair of enlistees in a month and a recruiter is hailed; sign up none and he can be ordered to monthly Saturday sessions, where he is verbally pounded for his failure.

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Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West
recruiting is a shit job.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6929|Canada
apparently...
Benzin
Member
+576|6301
The Army will take anyone. An old work colleague of mine got busted for a DUI while he was going through his recruiting process and the Army recruiter went to the judge and got him off the hook so he could go to Basic Training. Any of the other branches of service would've cut him loose and told him to piss off.

It's a whole Army mentality. They need people and they will take whatever they can get. All they need are guys to hand guns and uniforms and go to the front line.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West

CapnNismo wrote:

The Army will take anyone. An old work colleague of mine got busted for a DUI while he was going through his recruiting process and the Army recruiter went to the judge and got him off the hook so he could go to Basic Training. Any of the other branches of service would've cut him loose and told him to piss off.

It's a whole Army mentality. They need people and they will take whatever they can get. All they need are guys to hand guns and uniforms and go to the front line.
the same job that employed a guy with a dui also employs you...
Benzin
Member
+576|6301

Man With No Name wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

The Army will take anyone. An old work colleague of mine got busted for a DUI while he was going through his recruiting process and the Army recruiter went to the judge and got him off the hook so he could go to Basic Training. Any of the other branches of service would've cut him loose and told him to piss off.

It's a whole Army mentality. They need people and they will take whatever they can get. All they need are guys to hand guns and uniforms and go to the front line.
the same job that employed a guy with a dui also employs you...
Did employ. I don't work there anymore, not since I moved to Europe. Besides, there's something a little different to stocking shelves at a super market and being handed an M16. As I recall, I actually think he got fired because of the DUI.

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be nice
+2,646|6755|The Twilight Zone
I'll demonstrate for you soldier. You pull this pin and ...
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Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West

CapnNismo wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

The Army will take anyone. An old work colleague of mine got busted for a DUI while he was going through his recruiting process and the Army recruiter went to the judge and got him off the hook so he could go to Basic Training. Any of the other branches of service would've cut him loose and told him to piss off.

It's a whole Army mentality. They need people and they will take whatever they can get. All they need are guys to hand guns and uniforms and go to the front line.
the same job that employed a guy with a dui also employs you...
Did employ. I don't work there anymore, not since I moved to Europe. Besides, there's something a little different to stocking shelves at a super market and being handed an M16. As I recall, I actually think he got fired because of the DUI.
having a dui in the army is a career killer.  they send you to jail.  take your rank, make you pay.  being in the army is a little bit more than using a rifle and wearing a uniform and marching off to the "frontline"  this aint ww1 dude
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|6880|Columbus, OH
What happens if the recruiters do not, regularly, meet their quota, it is not like they can get fired. I guess if they want to rise up in rank it's important but other than that meh play it cool
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West
lose a finger
trex1210
I am Canadian
+72|6561|B.C. Canada

Man With No Name wrote:

being in the army is a little bit more than using a rifle and wearing a uniform and marching off to the "frontline"  this aint ww1 dude
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6301|Vortex Ring State
This is why we took so many casualties in Iraq. Lower standards.

BUT this is a touchy subject. This is because many people talk about supporting our troops, and the fact that some troops probably shouldn't be in the Army is largely ignored.

Either way, recruiting is a shit job. Nobody wants to go to a 3rd world country to get his ass blown off by insurgents. IMHO, it's the rich bitches that are against the VA because it increases their taxes need to serve.
Benzin
Member
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Man With No Name wrote:

having a dui in the army is a career killer.  they send you to jail.  take your rank, make you pay.  being in the army is a little bit more than using a rifle and wearing a uniform and marching off to the "frontline"  this aint ww1 dude
That's true, I know that. My father was career Air Force and so is my younger brother.

However. Army recruiters will put up with a lot of shit from a candidate just to get their ass into basic training. So long as the recruit has their name on a dotted line, the recruiter is making his quota. Once again, the recruiter of that guy I am referring to got this guy out of jail time for his DUI (like his second if he was about to go to jail) and got the judge to let him finish his recruitment and go into Basic.

Hell, read the end of that article. It plainly says that the recruiter says he knows of recruiters who got guys to flush THC from their systems so they could pass MEPS. If you get busted with pot in the Army, they kick you out for that, too.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West

CapnNismo wrote:

If you get busted with pot in the Army, they kick you out for that, too.
not all cases
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6713|'Murka

fermatx wrote:

This is why we took so many casualties in Iraq. Lower standards.

BUT this is a touchy subject. This is because many people talk about supporting our troops, and the fact that some troops probably shouldn't be in the Army is largely ignored.

Either way, recruiting is a shit job. Nobody wants to go to a 3rd world country to get his ass blown off by insurgents. IMHO, it's the rich bitches that are against the VA because it increases their taxes need to serve.
"so many casualties in Iraq"? Seriously?!

People have no sense of perspective whatsoever.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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I guess thats why the US decided to go with so many contractors rather than trying to up recruitment or imposing a draft.
You'd have to be a pretty slow swimmer to sign up now, in the certain knowledge you'd be going for multiple tours in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.
Fuck Israel
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Dilbert_X wrote:

I guess thats why the US decided to go with so many contractors rather than trying to up recruitment or imposing a draft.
You'd have to be a pretty slow swimmer to sign up now, in the certain knowledge you'd be going for multiple tours in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.
While I disagree with what happened in Iraq and am no gung-ho nut who wants to go to war...


I did try join up recently. For the AusArmy ofc. Knocked back on medical grounds but the principle stands, I wanted to join up. Going to war didn't phase me because it was part of a job I wanted to use as a platform to get me places.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6949

Dilbert_X wrote:

You'd have to be a pretty slow swimmer to sign up now, in the certain knowledge you'd be going for multiple tours in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.
Depends on what branch and job you want. Every soldier knows or at least should know that there is a potential to be put in harms way. Thats why soldiers get the respect they get.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6408|eXtreme to the maX
Theres a difference between potential and certainty.
Anyone smart would give it a year or two to settle down at least.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6713|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

I guess thats why the US decided to go with so many contractors rather than trying to up recruitment or imposing a draft.
You'd have to be a pretty slow swimmer to sign up now, in the certain knowledge you'd be going for multiple tours in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.
I'm sure that explains why all services met or exceeded recruitment and retention goals for the past three years.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
imortal
Member
+240|6967|Austin, TX

Dilbert_X wrote:

Theres a difference between potential and certainty.
Anyone smart would give it a year or two to settle down at least.
...unless, of course, they actually want to be in the military. Believe it or not, people do actually do that. 

That being said, I left the army when I found out my choice of next duty assignment boiled down to a) recruiter or b) drill sergeant.  Thank God I was up for re-enlistment at the time.
too_money2007
Member
+145|6610|Keller, Tx
I was almost talked into going into the Army by a recruiter when I was a senior in high school. I was very naive back then and didn't really understand much of the world. Needless to say, I felt wrong agreeing with him and said I would talk it over with my mother. When I went to her, she said for me to fucking forget it.

9/11 happened the next year and I would probably be dead right now if I said yes. That, and my sons wouldn't exist. Thankfully I chose the right path.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

too_money2007 wrote:

9/11 happened the next year and I would probably be dead right now if I said yes.
can you prove that?  what do you think the probability of that is?  and compare that to other stuff.

stop talking stupid shit.
too_money2007
Member
+145|6610|Keller, Tx
Marine, whatever. I'm not talking stupid.

1st. If I had gone into the military, I would've never met my wife and would've never had my kids.
2nd. It is my belief that something would've happened. That shit is just my luck.

I don't dwell on the past, just stating my opinion... but I forgot, that isn't allowed here or something.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

too_money2007 wrote:

Marine, whatever. I'm not talking stupid.

1st. If I had gone into the military, I would've never met my wife and would've never had my kids.
2nd. It is my belief that something would've happened. That shit is just my luck.

I don't dwell on the past, just stating my opinion... but I forgot, that isn't allowed here or something.
you said it like fact.  and that is just plain stupid.  #1 may be correct, but #2 is way way off base.

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