I care. Not in sympathy but because I know that the best approach isn't a narrow minded one.Reciprocity wrote:
who cares. let them devour each other. and this isn't desparation, this is opportunity. these aren't individuals, desparate to survive. these are organized operations headed by warlords. and as far as sustainable, safe passage that's up to the underwriters and shipping companies. their only concern is the bottom line and that doesn't include their crew's safety. why spend more on fuel or security when the ransom is cheaper? and if anything bad happens it's nothing a little money can't fix.Kmarion wrote:
Reciprocity, move on to what?
i'm still wondering if the maersk-alabama pirates didn't make a mistake when they were picking a ship to shake down. they've been operating for years and this is the first incident involving an american flagged ship and of course it ends as it did.
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Like I said earlier, we in the us train for this shit and run drills for it. I don't know what other countries do.
then let's just roll into somalia and install a new government. there were sharia courts with enough power to outlaw piracy, but the ethiopians fixed that. we could just give all these warlords billions of dollars and ask really really nicely for them to leave us alone. or we could assume that they won't fuck with US marked vessels again and tune all this bullshit out.Kmarion wrote:
I care. Not in sympathy but because I know that the best approach isn't a narrow minded one.
what oh-so-broad minded suggestion would you make? maybe they just need some hugs?
Generally you ask the question before you rant on about things a person never said. You're obviously predisposed to hear what you want. You're demeaning an opinion that never existed. I won't waste my time on you anymore.Reciprocity wrote:
then let's just roll into somalia and install a new government. there were sharia courts with enough power to outlaw piracy, but the ethiopians fixed that. we could just give all these warlords billions of dollars and ask really really nicely for them to leave us alone. or we could assume that they won't fuck with US marked vessels again and tune all this bullshit out.Kmarion wrote:
I care. Not in sympathy but because I know that the best approach isn't a narrow minded one.
what oh-so-broad minded suggestion would you make? maybe they just need some hugs?
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Here be the official Pirate thread.
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Must resist urge to bump other pirate thread on first page to mess with kmarion...
atgs?Macbeth wrote:
Must resist urge to bump other pirate thread on first page to mess with kmarion...
I was trying to limit the confusion..lol
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http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=124272Kmarion wrote:
atgs?Macbeth wrote:
Must resist urge to bump other pirate thread on first page to mess with kmarion...
I was trying to limit the confusion..lol
lol
Now you see why I had to start merging.
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Fixing the order.
Rohirm wrote:
This time around those poor shits used their weapons.http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/1 … -ship.htmlwrote:
Somalian pirates attacked and damaged an American ship carrying humanitarian aid Tuesday, but the assailants relented before the U.S. navy arrived to provide escort, the U.S. military and the shipping company said.
The pirates fired rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons at the Liberty Sun as it carried food for famine-wracked countries in Africa, said the vessel's owner, Liberty Maritime Corp.
The ship was en route from Houston to Mombasa, Kenya, with a roughly 20-member crew, officials said.
"We are under attack by pirates. We are being hit by rockets. Also bullets," crew member Thomas Urbik told his mother by email. "We are barricaded in the engine room and so far no one is hurt."
After the ship reported being attacked, the USS Bainbridge — the destroyer that assisted in the rescue of the captain of the Maersk Alabama last week — sailed to its aid, said navy Capt. Jack Hanzlik, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Fla.
The Bainbridge arrived about six hours later to find that the pirates had left, and there were no injuries, Hanzlik said.
The ship was continuing on its way to Mombasa late Tuesday, he said.
Liberty Maritime praised the government's response, as well as that of it crew.
"We commend the entire crew for its professionalism and poise under fire," the company said in a written statement.
Stupid fucks must have realized it was an American Cargo Ship and turned around like the fucking cowards they are.
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you haven't suggested a single damned thing, everything else was "narrow minded" so i thought i'd put up a sounding board since you couldn't.Kmarion wrote:
Generally you ask the question before you rant on about things a person never said. You're obviously predisposed to hear what you want. You're demeaning an opinion that never existed. I won't waste my time on you anymore.
Reciprocity wrote:
you haven't suggested a single damned thing, everything else was "narrow minded" so i thought i'd put up a sounding board since you couldn't.Kmarion wrote:
Generally you ask the question before you rant on about things a person never said. You're obviously predisposed to hear what you want. You're demeaning an opinion that never existed. I won't waste my time on you anymore.
This must have been what lead you to think I was saying they just need some hugs.Kmarion wrote:
They have to work it out on their own. .
or maybe it was this..
or maybe it was this..I have no problem eradicating them when they attempt to kidnap and hijack.
From these statements you somehow gathered.."then let's just roll into somalia and install a new government."?Kmarion wrote:
Bait the fuckers out into open waters.
What I have also said is that we need more intel in order to measure our responses.
If you aren't paying attention then ask me what my opinion is. I never said we should be the ones providing alternative employment for those would be Pirates. I was simply making the point that this will continue (we brief pauses between violent confrontations) so long as there is nothing better to do.Kmarion wrote:
..we will need all the intelligence we can gather before deciding.
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and i've simply been suggesting that these bandits have chosen this line of work because it's easy and safe dealing with corporations, unlike dealing with other somalis or africans. on land they're surrounded by sovereign nations so the path of least resistance is out at sea. these guys aren't suicidal jihadists, they're simply out for the easy buck, and obviously over their heads in any situation in which they aren't completly in control. these boys do know how to not be pirates because it was effectively outlawed with the sharia courts. they'll move on to the next easiest mark which will hopefully not be generating 200 million per year in ransom. money that is only making somalia more dangerous and unstable.Kmarion wrote:
I was simply making the point that this will continue (we brief pauses between violent confrontations) so long as there is nothing better to do.
sorry if that's narrow minded.
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1am east coast... the Maersk crew is landing at Andrews AFB... MD... to reunite with their families... live on FOX and other stations more than likely...
Love is the answer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8005730.stm
There goes another one. More hostages freed as well.
There goes another one. More hostages freed as well.
One thing I've noticed about the military is that they usually need somewhere to test out equipment and weapons. Iraq functioned pretty well for this, but now that Iraq looks like it's actually somewhat functional, we should probably use Somalia as our next testing ground.Reciprocity wrote:
and i've simply been suggesting that these bandits have chosen this line of work because it's easy and safe dealing with corporations, unlike dealing with other somalis or africans. on land they're surrounded by sovereign nations so the path of least resistance is out at sea. these guys aren't suicidal jihadists, they're simply out for the easy buck, and obviously over their heads in any situation in which they aren't completly in control. these boys do know how to not be pirates because it was effectively outlawed with the sharia courts. they'll move on to the next easiest mark which will hopefully not be generating 200 million per year in ransom. money that is only making somalia more dangerous and unstable.Kmarion wrote:
I was simply making the point that this will continue (we brief pauses between violent confrontations) so long as there is nothing better to do.
sorry if that's narrow minded.
The US Army and Airforce got a good workout and evaluation throughout the 90's and 00's, but the Navy hasn't had much except the odd cruise missile launch and transport. So I agree, it's time to make the Navy do something
They even have an Air Force/Navy Base in the area, Diego Garcia
They even have an Air Force/Navy Base in the area, Diego Garcia
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We all need to practice on our maritime warfare, just to keep the skills up.Mekstizzle wrote:
The US Army and Airforce got a good workout and evaluation throughout the 90's and 00's, but the Navy hasn't had much except the odd cruise missile launch and transport. So I agree, it's time to make the Navy do something
They even have an Air Force/Navy Base in the area, Diego Garcia
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Still held by Somali pirates
Some 18 ships and over 310 crew members are believed to be held by pirates off the coast of Somalia, according to the International Maritime Bureau, NATO and others. A look at the ships still being held:
_ AUG 4: Pirates seize a Nigerian tug, the Yenagoa Ocean, with 11 crew members.
_ NOV. 10: Pirates hijack a Philippines chemical tanker, the MT Stolt Strength, with 23 crew members.
_ DEC. 16: Pirates seize a Malaysian tugboat with 11 Indonesian crew members.
_ FEB. 22: Pirates take a Greek-owned cargo ship, the Saldanha, with a 22-member crew, off Somalia's coast. The crew's nationalities are unknown.
_ FEB. 28: State broadcaster in the Seychelles reports that Somali pirates hijacked the Serenity, a yacht with two Seychelles nationals on board.
_ MARCH 25: Pirates seize Panama-registered, Greek-owned Nipayia with 18 Filipino crew members and a Russian captain.
_ APRIL 1: Tour operator says pirates seized a tourist yacht and its crew of seven near the Seychelles. The Indian Ocean Explorer had dropped off its tourists before it was seized.
_ APRIL 4: Pirates hijack German freighter Hansa Stavanger. It has 24 crew members: five Germans, three Russians, two Ukrainians, two Filipinos and 12 Tuvalus.
_ APRIL 4: Pirates seize Taiwanese ship, Win Far 161, near the Seychelles islands. It has a crew of 30, including 17 Filipinos, six Indonesians, five Chinese and two Taiwanese.
_ APRIL 5: Pirates hijack Yemeni fishing boat with 13 crew members in the Gulf of Aden.
_ APRIL 6: British-owned bulk carrier, the Malaspina Castle, hijacked in the Gulf of Aden. It is carrying a crew of 24 from Bulgaria, the Philippines, Russia and Ukraine.
_ APRIL 6: Pirates seize Taiwanese fishing boat with 30 crew off eastern Somalia.
_ APRIL 11: Pirates seize Italian tugboat off Somalia's north coast. Ten of the 16 crew members are Italian. The others are five Romanians and a Croatian.
_ APRIL 14: Officials say two Egyptian fishing boats have been hijacked with a total of 36 crew. Boats seized either April 12 or 13th, it is not clear.
_ APRIL 14: Pirates seize Greek-managed bulk carrier, the MV Irene E.M., in a rare overnight attack. The St.-Vincent and Grenadines-flagged ship with at least 21 Filipino seamen was sailing from Jordan to India.
_ APRIL 14: Pirates capture the Lebanese-owned cargo ship the MV Sea Horse with 19 crew aboard.
_ APRIL 18: Pirates seize a Belgian dredger, the Pompei, with two Belgians, a Dutch, three Filipinos and four Croatians onboard.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/afric … ck.foiled/Pirates attempted to capture the MV Front Ardennes at 6 p.m. Saturday and were apprehended seven hours later, Commander Chris Davies told CNN.
A NATO-supported Canadian navy ship, the HMCS Winnipeg, was returning from escorting a World Food Program vessel in the gulf when it saw the Norwegian ship under attack, Davies said. A British Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel, the Wave Knight, was also in the area.
The pirates were captured at 1 a.m. Sunday after they threw weapons, ladders and scaling equipment overboard, Davies said. Several rounds of ammunition were found on the pirates' boat.
The pirates were detained, but allowed to go free after questioning.
There is currently no formal procedure for NATO personnel to follow once they have apprehended pirates, Davies noted. Their weapons are confiscated and they are then typically given provisions and released.
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Uhhh...why the hell were they set free? Goddamn it they were going to hijack a ship and all they get is a slap on wrist and a scolding? Seems eerily similar to the Canadian Justice System tbh lolKmarion wrote:
Still held by Somali piratesSome 18 ships and over 310 crew members are believed to be held by pirates off the coast of Somalia, according to the International Maritime Bureau, NATO and others. A look at the ships still being held:
_ AUG 4: Pirates seize a Nigerian tug, the Yenagoa Ocean, with 11 crew members.
_ NOV. 10: Pirates hijack a Philippines chemical tanker, the MT Stolt Strength, with 23 crew members.
_ DEC. 16: Pirates seize a Malaysian tugboat with 11 Indonesian crew members.
_ FEB. 22: Pirates take a Greek-owned cargo ship, the Saldanha, with a 22-member crew, off Somalia's coast. The crew's nationalities are unknown.
_ FEB. 28: State broadcaster in the Seychelles reports that Somali pirates hijacked the Serenity, a yacht with two Seychelles nationals on board.
_ MARCH 25: Pirates seize Panama-registered, Greek-owned Nipayia with 18 Filipino crew members and a Russian captain.
_ APRIL 1: Tour operator says pirates seized a tourist yacht and its crew of seven near the Seychelles. The Indian Ocean Explorer had dropped off its tourists before it was seized.
_ APRIL 4: Pirates hijack German freighter Hansa Stavanger. It has 24 crew members: five Germans, three Russians, two Ukrainians, two Filipinos and 12 Tuvalus.
_ APRIL 4: Pirates seize Taiwanese ship, Win Far 161, near the Seychelles islands. It has a crew of 30, including 17 Filipinos, six Indonesians, five Chinese and two Taiwanese.
_ APRIL 5: Pirates hijack Yemeni fishing boat with 13 crew members in the Gulf of Aden.
_ APRIL 6: British-owned bulk carrier, the Malaspina Castle, hijacked in the Gulf of Aden. It is carrying a crew of 24 from Bulgaria, the Philippines, Russia and Ukraine.
_ APRIL 6: Pirates seize Taiwanese fishing boat with 30 crew off eastern Somalia.
_ APRIL 11: Pirates seize Italian tugboat off Somalia's north coast. Ten of the 16 crew members are Italian. The others are five Romanians and a Croatian.
_ APRIL 14: Officials say two Egyptian fishing boats have been hijacked with a total of 36 crew. Boats seized either April 12 or 13th, it is not clear.
_ APRIL 14: Pirates seize Greek-managed bulk carrier, the MV Irene E.M., in a rare overnight attack. The St.-Vincent and Grenadines-flagged ship with at least 21 Filipino seamen was sailing from Jordan to India.
_ APRIL 14: Pirates capture the Lebanese-owned cargo ship the MV Sea Horse with 19 crew aboard.
_ APRIL 18: Pirates seize a Belgian dredger, the Pompei, with two Belgians, a Dutch, three Filipinos and four Croatians onboard.http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/afric … ck.foiled/Pirates attempted to capture the MV Front Ardennes at 6 p.m. Saturday and were apprehended seven hours later, Commander Chris Davies told CNN.
A NATO-supported Canadian navy ship, the HMCS Winnipeg, was returning from escorting a World Food Program vessel in the gulf when it saw the Norwegian ship under attack, Davies said. A British Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel, the Wave Knight, was also in the area.
The pirates were captured at 1 a.m. Sunday after they threw weapons, ladders and scaling equipment overboard, Davies said. Several rounds of ammunition were found on the pirates' boat.
The pirates were detained, but allowed to go free after questioning.
There is currently no formal procedure for NATO personnel to follow once they have apprehended pirates, Davies noted. Their weapons are confiscated and they are then typically given provisions and released.
We know where all of those ships are. Sounds like the SEALs and SBS need to go in and do what they have been trained to do.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
So there is no international law against kidnapping and extorsion??? Seriously what do we do with them. I don't want them clogging our american prisons. Or another guantanomo, putting them back ashore doesn't seem like the right thing to do either. So......death penalty??
how about we (e.g. those who need their ships to travel safely through those waters) pool together and hire some of those dudes to protect the passing ships? i seriously doubt they are very well organazed and love each other unconditionally, so why don't we find those who aren't very happy with whatever's going on between them and offer some support in exchange for protection against the rest of the pirates? personally, i don't give a flying fuck if they blow each others heads off as long as the ships travel undisturbed.Locoloki wrote:
So there is no international law against kidnapping and extorsion??? Seriously what do we do with them. I don't want them clogging our american prisons. Or another guantanomo, putting them back ashore doesn't seem like the right thing to do either. So......death penalty??
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.