Ron Paul Hell YEAH!!!LiamPK wrote:
Wait Until Ron Paul Hears About This
In the end, Ron Paul will prevail.. the only politician in the entire world who really fight for freedom..
In the end, Ron Paul will prevail.. the only politician in the entire world who really fight for freedom..
I wouldn't have a problem with the President, even the current one, having a line item veto, capability. If Congress wanted that item in the bill they can resubmit it or put it in another bill.Turquoise wrote:
Riders are the only reason I would consider giving the president the line item veto.
And this is coming from a conservative.
For me, it feels like a slippery slope.Harmor wrote:
I wouldn't have a problem with the President, even the current one, having a line item veto, capability. If Congress wanted that item in the bill they can resubmit it or put it in another bill.Turquoise wrote:
Riders are the only reason I would consider giving the president the line item veto.
And this is coming from a conservative.
I don't like giving too much power to the executive, and in some ways, this would violate the balance of powers.
On the other hand, I despise pork, and this would be a great way to make it possible to cut a lot of it.
UK launches massive, one-year program to archive every email
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/136610
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/136610
Holy shit USM.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
watFlecco wrote:
Holy shit USM.
Archiving all internet traffic for a year. Holy shit.usmarine wrote:
watFlecco wrote:
Holy shit USM.
EU is fucked up. The people of the UK shouldn't take this lightly. Maybe Moore was only 20-30 years off with V for Vendetta.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
To get back on topic...
I can understand the underlying requirement for the bill. The infrastructure most critical to national security in the US is not monitored or controlled by any USG agency charged with network defense...nearly all of it is commercially monitored/controlled. That makes it impossible for DHS or DoD to do their national defense jobs (job #1 for both agencies) when it comes to critical infrastructure. Something needs to be done, but that bill ain't it.
The unfortunate truth is that most cyber policy is written by people who have a Ted Stevens-like understanding of networks. They think that because they have a computer on their desk at work and one at home that they are network experts. And then they start talking/writing.
The biggest thing those knuckleheads miss is that the private sector generally does a better job of network security than the public sector...because their livelihood depends on it. Additionally, many of these critical infrastructure sectors have much smaller networks making them easier to administer and secure than the sprawling government networks...but the ones making the policy approach it from a governmental perspective, thus ignoring much of the positives of the private system.
I would be interested to see how this would work logistically. Is the govt going to place sensors/controllers at each network operations center for each critical infrastructure segment? That seems pretty Big Brother-ish. Are they going to run in to the NOCs and put govt sysads on the commercial networks? Don't see how, even with standardized tools, there are still eccentricities to each network that only those who use/administer the network regularly truly grasp.
Seems like an epic fail overall.
I can understand the underlying requirement for the bill. The infrastructure most critical to national security in the US is not monitored or controlled by any USG agency charged with network defense...nearly all of it is commercially monitored/controlled. That makes it impossible for DHS or DoD to do their national defense jobs (job #1 for both agencies) when it comes to critical infrastructure. Something needs to be done, but that bill ain't it.
The unfortunate truth is that most cyber policy is written by people who have a Ted Stevens-like understanding of networks. They think that because they have a computer on their desk at work and one at home that they are network experts. And then they start talking/writing.
The biggest thing those knuckleheads miss is that the private sector generally does a better job of network security than the public sector...because their livelihood depends on it. Additionally, many of these critical infrastructure sectors have much smaller networks making them easier to administer and secure than the sprawling government networks...but the ones making the policy approach it from a governmental perspective, thus ignoring much of the positives of the private system.
I would be interested to see how this would work logistically. Is the govt going to place sensors/controllers at each network operations center for each critical infrastructure segment? That seems pretty Big Brother-ish. Are they going to run in to the NOCs and put govt sysads on the commercial networks? Don't see how, even with standardized tools, there are still eccentricities to each network that only those who use/administer the network regularly truly grasp.
Seems like an epic fail overall.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
That is one hell of a lot of porn.Flecco wrote:
Archiving all internet traffic for a year. Holy shit.
On topic, what happened to Arpanet?
Fuck Israel
That was just a big LAN controlling nukes.Dilbert_X wrote:
That is one hell of a lot of porn.Flecco wrote:
Archiving all internet traffic for a year. Holy shit.
On topic, what happened to Arpanet?
No doubt. Alan Moore is kind of an arrogant prick, but his ideas seem to be gradually coming true.Flecco wrote:
Archiving all internet traffic for a year. Holy shit.usmarine wrote:
watFlecco wrote:
Holy shit USM.
EU is fucked up. The people of the UK shouldn't take this lightly. Maybe Moore was only 20-30 years off with V for Vendetta.
That was never ARPANET's intent. Unless you think nukes are held at universities.Cybargs wrote:
That was just a big LAN controlling nukes.Dilbert_X wrote:
That is one hell of a lot of porn.Flecco wrote:
Archiving all internet traffic for a year. Holy shit.
On topic, what happened to Arpanet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet
As for what happened to ARPANET? We're using it right now...in a way.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Al Gore invented the internetwebnets!FEOS wrote:
That was never ARPANET's intent. Unless you think nukes are held at universities.Cybargs wrote:
That was just a big LAN controlling nukes.Dilbert_X wrote:
That is one hell of a lot of porn.
On topic, what happened to Arpanet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet
As for what happened to ARPANET? We're using it right now...in a way.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Didn't you know Al Gore was a ARPA scientist when he was an infant?Flecco wrote:
Al Gore invented the internetwebnets!FEOS wrote:
That was never ARPANET's intent. Unless you think nukes are held at universities.Cybargs wrote:
That was just a big LAN controlling nukes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet
As for what happened to ARPANET? We're using it right now...in a way.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I just read this today
If these type of event(s) prompted the U.S. Govt. to create the Cybersecurity Act, then I am all for it. Personally I spent a couple weeks of locking out IP's from China on my Internet Router, the fookers.WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Cyberspies have penetrated the U.S. electrical grid and left behind software programs that could be used to disrupt the system, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday.
The spies came from China, Russia and other countries, and were believed to be on a mission to navigate the U.S. electrical system and its controls, the newspaper said, citing current and former U.S. national security officials.