BF2S Forums A question for the religious (or some of them)

Maybe, thats not for me to decide. Us (more liberal)Catholics just worry about our own salvation. Its not our decision for another person. We dont specifically say whether a person is in Heaven or Hell(well we do explicitly say someone is in heaven when we cannonize them a saint).

NAthANSmitt wrote:

Its not our decision for another person.

This, more often that not, tends to be where the arguments arise. 

From what I understand, you have to accept Christ as your lord and saviour to gain salvation, however, the bible also, explicently states, that, judgement (and stuff like vengance etc) are specifically reserved for God himself.  It is not for anyone (believer or non believer) to determine someone elses, I suppose, destiny so far as salvation is concerned.  I believe it goes on to say that if you judge people harshly like that, the same yard stick will be used to judge you, so, I think regardless of the truth of the christian faith, it isnt for the christian, to tell anyone where there going after death. 

I think aswell that there is also a verse that states, if someone has heard the gospel and has not converted, you shouldnt keep trying to convert them, something along the lines of ''pigs walking on pearls'' is the imagery used.

Martyn

purgatory

isnt murder an unforgivable sin?

religion ftl

Last edited by SealXo (2009-03-20 14:52:13)

actually, (as i understand it, anyway) the only unforgivable sin is... not forgiving anyone.

So, yea, to be accepted into heaven, you need to repent, and accept Jesus.... that's about it.

Morpheus wrote:

actually, (as i understand it, anyway) the only unforgivable sin is... not forgiving anyone.

So, yea, to be accepted into heaven, you need to repent, and accept Jesus.... that's about it.

I thought it was blasphemy of the holy spirit (ergo blasphemy challenge).

Which, now that I think about it, is bullshit, because for the atheists that do the challenge, it's a pointless exercise, you cant blaspheme against the holy spirit in the context it is reffered to unless, technically, you believe said spirit exists.

Story goes, Jesus is doing his miracles, and the pharasies say he is doing it through the power of the devil.  Christ gives a whole speech about how there wrong, and goes on to say, anyone who blasphemes againt me, will be forgiven, anyone who blasphemes againt the father, will be forgiven, but he, who blasphemes againt the holy spirit, will never be forgiven for it.

Martyn

Spearhead wrote:

I'm pretty sure there is at least one Christian regular here in DST who believes that if you do not accept Christ, regardless of what you have done in your life, you will go to hell.  So this is for them, or anyone else who thinks the same.

So I have a question.  Let's say someone convicted of rape, or murder, was rehabilitated and then genuinely becomes a Christian and "accepts Jesus".  Does this person go to heaven while another person who has not committed any crimes, while another person who is a non-believer, has no criminal record, and has done "good" things with his life go to hell?

To enter Heaven, one must be fit to exist in God's holy presence.  Sin cannot be in His presence, therefore, sinners cannot either.  Rather than Heaven, we deserve death and separation from God for breaking His laws.  So how do we solve this problem?  How do we become "clean"?  Only by true repentance of our sin and accepting Christ's salvation.   

If Heaven were about good works, we could get to Heaven on our own.  There is a common misconception that there is a scale of "big" and "little" sins and as long as the good outweighs the bad, you're all good.  But the standard is perfection.  Lie once?  I'm not perfect.  Steal once?  Not perfect.  Doesn't matter what sin, I'm imperfect if I commit only one, no matter how "small".  There is nothing a flawed mortal can do to atone for my own sin, so Christ's salvation is the only way.

If you are truly sincere, yes.  Only God knows the heart.  Again, it's not about works, it's about accepting salvation.

Morpheus wrote:

Flecco wrote:

So basically I say I'm sorry and ask for forgiveness after a life of living like the Comedian and I'm a shoe-in? As long as I mean it right?

There's kinda a catch 22 there, though....

If that's your plan, it won't really work... if you're going to be sincere, you're going to (have to) be sincere all the way. If you decide 'aw screw it' (as in, ignore it altogether) then have a change, well, that's kinda different...


+1 for watchmen reference lol

Posing the question for opinions. Actually converting to a religion on your deathbed is ridiculous.

Flecco wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

Flecco wrote:

So basically I say I'm sorry and ask for forgiveness after a life of living like the Comedian and I'm a shoe-in? As long as I mean it right?

There's kinda a catch 22 there, though....

If that's your plan, it won't really work... if you're going to be sincere, you're going to (have to) be sincere all the way. If you decide 'aw screw it' (as in, ignore it altogether) then have a change, well, that's kinda different...


+1 for watchmen reference lol

Posing the question for opinions. Actually converting to a religion on your deathbed is ridiculous.

Well, yea.

If you want an opinion, I think it's pointless, and won't do any good.

Stingray24 wrote:

If you are truly sincere, yes.  Only God knows the heart.  Again, it's not about works, it's about accepting salvation.

read the book of James.


BAM!

Where the whole Jesus thing became a farce is when the ressurection, which was a metaphorical thing got transformed into a literal thing.

There the spiritual living dead, and there were those " ressurected ", born again through the teachings of Christ.

Religious institutions control the power by claiming that only through their version of Christs teachings can heaven be obtained.

People who accept that are suckers imo.