hi rammunition...oh wait. nvm
so you hate jews then yes?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Keep going mods and only pro israeli warmongers and arab haters will be left standing in this section.
caught ya.
that's dispicable.
Why was ramunition banned?
Your a right tosser init.usmarine wrote:
hi rammunition...oh wait. nvm
Not really, just the Israelis and other racists.usm wrote:
so you hate jews then yes?
caught ya.
For example.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- … _Offensive
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The Israeli army is at the centre of a second controversy over the moral conduct of its soldiers in as many days.
The revelations centre on t-shirt designs made for soldiers that make light of shooting pregnant Palestinian mothers and children and include images of dead babies and destroyed mosques.
The t-shirts were printed for Israeli soldiers at the end of periods of deployment or training courses and were discovered by Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
One, printed for a platoon of Israeli snipers depicts an armed Palestinian pregnant women caught in the crosshairs of a rifle, with the disturbing caption in English: "1 shot 2 kills".
Another depicts a child carrying a gun also in the centre of a target.
"The smaller, the harder," read the words on the t-shirt.
According to a soldier interviewed by the newspaper, the message has a double meaning: "It's a kid, so you've got a little more of a problem, morally and also the target is smaller."
Another shows an Israeli soldier blowing up a mosque and reads "Only God forgives".
Above a ninja figure, yet another shirt bears the slogan "Won't chill until I confirm a kill".
The revelations, coming so soon after Israel's offensive in Gaza in which hundreds of civilians were killed - many of them women and children - are causing outrage.
Perhaps the most shocking design shows a Palestinian mother weeping next to her dead baby's grave, also in the crosshairs of a rifle.
It suggests it would have been better if the child had never been born, with the slogan "Better use Durex".
The controversy follows more revelations by other soldiers about abuses and the shooting of civilians during Israel's offensive during the Gaza offensive.
Ex-soldier and campaigner with Breaking The Silence, Michael Maniken, told Sky News Online this week's revelations suggest a pattern of immoral conduct in the army.
"The army keeps on saying we're talking about a few rotten apples but it seems the army doesn't understand there's a norm in this kind of action," he explained.
"We're hearing about this time and time again and the army seems disconnected from reality."
A spokesman for the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) told Sky News Online, the t-shirts were printed on the private initiative of the soldiers and their designs "are not in accordance with IDF values and are simply tasteless. This type of humour is unacceptable and should be condemned".
The eyewitness accounts, the first hand accounts of the Israeli soldiers, the T-shirts FFS pretty much give the lie to the idea that the IDF have any kind of morality.
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*You'remafia996630 wrote:
Your a right tosser init.usmarine wrote:
hi rammunition...oh wait. nvm
Paddy's Day for me was spent in Amsterdam oddly enough. Dublin as usual turned into wild anarchy, pukestains, fights, fireworks and craziness. The green beer thing is actually an American invention!Pug wrote:
Which brings me to my next point...how was St. Paddy's day? Do you guys drink green beer over there?
This another one of those widespread generalisations that only applies to certain groups? Actions and/or beliefs of a few suddenly equal all?Dilbert_X wrote:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj25 … 245789.jpgThe Israeli army is at the centre of a second controversy over the moral conduct of its soldiers in as many days.
The revelations centre on t-shirt designs made for soldiers that make light of shooting pregnant Palestinian mothers and children and include images of dead babies and destroyed mosques.
The t-shirts were printed for Israeli soldiers at the end of periods of deployment or training courses and were discovered by Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
One, printed for a platoon of Israeli snipers depicts an armed Palestinian pregnant women caught in the crosshairs of a rifle, with the disturbing caption in English: "1 shot 2 kills".
Another depicts a child carrying a gun also in the centre of a target.
"The smaller, the harder," read the words on the t-shirt.
According to a soldier interviewed by the newspaper, the message has a double meaning: "It's a kid, so you've got a little more of a problem, morally and also the target is smaller."
Another shows an Israeli soldier blowing up a mosque and reads "Only God forgives".
Above a ninja figure, yet another shirt bears the slogan "Won't chill until I confirm a kill".
The revelations, coming so soon after Israel's offensive in Gaza in which hundreds of civilians were killed - many of them women and children - are causing outrage.
Perhaps the most shocking design shows a Palestinian mother weeping next to her dead baby's grave, also in the crosshairs of a rifle.
It suggests it would have been better if the child had never been born, with the slogan "Better use Durex".
The controversy follows more revelations by other soldiers about abuses and the shooting of civilians during Israel's offensive during the Gaza offensive.
Ex-soldier and campaigner with Breaking The Silence, Michael Maniken, told Sky News Online this week's revelations suggest a pattern of immoral conduct in the army.
"The army keeps on saying we're talking about a few rotten apples but it seems the army doesn't understand there's a norm in this kind of action," he explained.
"We're hearing about this time and time again and the army seems disconnected from reality."
A spokesman for the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) told Sky News Online, the t-shirts were printed on the private initiative of the soldiers and their designs "are not in accordance with IDF values and are simply tasteless. This type of humour is unacceptable and should be condemned".
The eyewitness accounts, the first hand accounts of the Israeli soldiers, the T-shirts FFS pretty much give the lie to the idea that the IDF have any kind of morality.
Nope, its another piece of evidence in the jigsaw.MOAB wrote:
This another one of those widespread generalisations that only applies to certain groups? Actions and/or beliefs of a few suddenly equal all?
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Otherwise known as the generalisation puzzle.Dilbert_X wrote:
Nope, its another piece of evidence in the jigsaw.MOAB wrote:
This another one of those widespread generalisations that only applies to certain groups? Actions and/or beliefs of a few suddenly equal all?
No again, there has been ample evidence over the decades suggesting the IDF deliberately target civilians as part of a policy of terror and ethnic cleansing of the untermensch from 'their' god given land.MOAB wrote:
Otherwise known as the generalisation puzzle.
This is just another piece of evidence, albeit straight from the horses mouth and crystal clear and unambiguous this time.
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Which isn't verified. Basically you're saying that because of a number of past incidents, every serving/served member of the IDF (which is close to every person in Israel) are murdering scumbags, that is generalisation. If I went and said all Muslims like to pack blocks of Semtex for work that would be a generalisation based on the actions of a few, except it would appear to you that that was a generalisation while doing the exact same thing for Israel isn't.
Double-Standars ftw.
Double-Standars ftw.
I haven't said that at all, any more than I've said every serving member of the SS was necessarily a murderer.
I have said the Israelis have a policy of seizing the Palestinians land and either exterminating them or terrorising them off it - they are more than half way there.
The IDF are tasked with this and occasionally evidence comes to light which proves it
I have said the Israelis have a policy of seizing the Palestinians land and either exterminating them or terrorising them off it - they are more than half way there.
The IDF are tasked with this and occasionally evidence comes to light which proves it
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If an independent and objective investigatory body can corroborate any of the allegations (by anyone), then those responsible must be tried and (if convicted) punished for their crimes.Braddock wrote:
During the offensive there were numerous reports and allegations made by various press organisations about abuses against non-combatants... these were rubbished as unverified, eye witness reports; now we have soldiers who actually served in the conflict breaking ranks to testify that such things did in fact take place... and these are being rubbished as unverified, eye witness reports. It sounds to me like you won't be satisfied until an investigation "verifies" what actually took place - an investigation most likely carried out by the same people accused of overseeing the crimes in question. You don't seem happy even to discuss any possible wrongdoing on the part of the Israelis, It seems to me that you've picked your side usmarine, despite your delusions of objectivity.usmarine wrote:
Correspondents say the testimonies, if proved credible,...........
/thread
It's really that simple.
And I'll be damned if I'm going to read the next 5 pages of "Israel is the US's lapdog", "if the US didn't give Israel $XXBn/year it wouldn't happen", "blah blah blah Israel is bad blah blah blah Palestine is my brother blah blah blah US is evil blah blah blah"
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Uh-huh. Despite that Israel gave back quite a bit of land, action only really takes place in Gaza (where the rockets come from) and not the West Bank and the vast majority of Palestinians are still alive.Dilbert_X wrote:
I haven't said that at all, any more than I've said every serving member of the SS was necessarily a murderer.
I have said the Israelis have a policy of seizing the Palestinians land and either exterminating them or terrorising them off it - they are more than half way there.
The IDF are tasked with this and occasionally evidence comes to light which proves it
So the Israelis:
A) Don't seem to be nicking much land lately.
B) Certainly aren't exactly exterminating them.
C) The IDF is doing its job as a Defence Force against incoming rocket attacks.
A) The israelis steal land every day, destroy houses and evict palestinians every day in the west bank.. They keep building settlements on palestinian lands every day, steal more land while building their wall and are in the process of stealing most of jerusalem from the palestinians with the new government...M.O.A.B wrote:
Uh-huh. Despite that Israel gave back quite a bit of land, action only really takes place in Gaza (where the rockets come from) and not the West Bank and the vast majority of Palestinians are still alive.Dilbert_X wrote:
I haven't said that at all, any more than I've said every serving member of the SS was necessarily a murderer.
I have said the Israelis have a policy of seizing the Palestinians land and either exterminating them or terrorising them off it - they are more than half way there.
The IDF are tasked with this and occasionally evidence comes to light which proves it
So the Israelis:
A) Don't seem to be nicking much land lately.
B) Certainly aren't exactly exterminating them.
C) The IDF is doing its job as a Defence Force against incoming rocket attacks.
i know they don't talk too much about it in your mainstream media but that doesnt mean it is not happening.
B) Agree
C) Most IDF soldiers think that the life of a palestinian is not worth anything compare to the life of an israeli.. it is a fact.. it is not their fault, they were raised like that. We don't need an investigation to realize that. The OP show us that there is still human beings in the IDF.
sure it isAutralianChainsaw wrote:
C) Most IDF soldiers think that the life of a palestinian is not worth anything compare to the life of an israeli.. it is a fact..
Finally you agree with me on something.usmarine wrote:
sure it isAutralianChainsaw wrote:
C) Most IDF soldiers think that the life of a palestinian is not worth anything compare to the life of an israeli.. it is a fact..
yup. your source is amazing. i cant argue with that.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Finally you agree with me on something.usmarine wrote:
sure it isAutralianChainsaw wrote:
C) Most IDF soldiers think that the life of a palestinian is not worth anything compare to the life of an israeli.. it is a fact..
Thanks i appreciate it a lot. It is good to receive some positive comments from you..usmarine wrote:
yup. your source is amazing. i cant argue with that.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Finally you agree with me on something.usmarine wrote:
sure it is
years of nazi name calling can really hurt a guy..
yup.... and i am sure you have been to israel yes?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Thanks i appreciate it a lot. It is good to receive some positive comments from you..usmarine wrote:
yup. your source is amazing. i cant argue with that.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Finally you agree with me on something.
years of nazi name calling can really hurt a guy..
I'm pretty sure any country's soldiers think their lives or their fellow citizens lives are more important then the lives of the people who are fighting them.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Thanks i appreciate it a lot. It is good to receive some positive comments from you..usmarine wrote:
yup. your source is amazing. i cant argue with that.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Finally you agree with me on something.
years of nazi name calling can really hurt a guy..
I plan to go to Palestine as soon as they have their own country. I have to see Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Palestine and i plan to celebrate with the Palestinian People the birth of their beautiful country.usmarine wrote:
yup.... and i am sure you have been to israel yes?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Thanks i appreciate it a lot. It is good to receive some positive comments from you..usmarine wrote:
yup. your source is amazing. i cant argue with that.
years of nazi name calling can really hurt a guy..
so thats a no. got it.