DesertFox-
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Interesting coincidence that it's St. Patrick's Day, but I was intrigued by an article along these lines in the newspaper today:
UK's top medic looks to take on "binge drinking"
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's chief doctor is expected to advise the government on Monday to sharply raise the price of alcohol to try to combat soaring levels of so-called "binge drinking," especially among young people.

In a report, chief medical officer Liam Donaldson is expected to recommend that the government set a minimum price of 50 pence ($0.70) per unit of alcohol sold, which would nearly double the price of some discount beer and wine.

The advice, which would be non-binding on the government, follows consistent evidence that Britain has a worsening problem with teenage drinking and with "binge drinking" in general -- when vast quantities are consumed in a short space of time.

The latest government statistics show that nearly 40 percent of men and a quarter of women exceed the recommended daily limit on alcohol consumption, while young people and teenagers are consuming ever more quantities of high-alcohol "alcopops."

Scotland, which has one of the highest rates of alcohol consumption in the world, said last month it was looking into setting a minimum price per unit of alcohol and Donaldson's recommendations would follow much the same approach.

The Sunday Telegraph newspaper, which revealed details of his proposals, said it was particularly aimed at raising the price of highly discounted supermarket beer and wine.

A Department of Health spokeswoman said she could not comment on the report as it was not yet published but said the government was looking to tackle issues with discount alcohol.

"We have not ruled out taking action on very cheap alcohol -- it's clearly linked to people drinking more and the subsequent harm to their health," the spokeswoman said.

"We need to do more work on this to make sure any action we take is appropriate, fair and effective."

LE "BINGE DRINKING"

Britain has the 10th highest alcohol consumption in the world, according to the World Health Organization, with the equivalent of nearly 12 liters of pure alcohol consumed by each member of the population per year.

The National Health Service spends more than $4 billion a year treating alcohol-related illnesses, with around 400,000 people admitted to hospital with drink problems, according to government figures. A sizeable number are children under 14.

Taking into account the costs of policing, the number of working hours lost to hangovers, and the vandalism caused by drunken behavior, the annual cost of alcohol misuse is estimated to be as high as 25 billion pounds ($38 billion).

While drinks' manufacturers are concerned new government measures could discriminate against those who are responsible drinkers, the public is broadly aware that Britain has a problem and that its poor reputation needs addressing.

In France and Italy, the press have adopted the English expression "binge drinking" to describe burgeoning problems with youth drinking that have alarmed commentators there.
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I'm aware that this forum, composed mostly of young to middle-aged males, has a pretty pro-anything-alcohol stance, but I was more intrigued by the second part dealing with healthcare in relation to boozing it up. Let's not limit this discussion to UK/Europe, though. For the US, I'm all for taxing alcohol a hell of a lot more than we have. It just so happened there was an article in support of the same thing by a man who objected to how smokers are being taxed out of a pack of cigarettes, so why not split the difference on the drunkards, too?

I also read what Gordon Brown responded, giving the gist that the such a tax will punish moderate drinkers in addition to the target "drink-til-you-drop" crowd, which is undesirable. This makes sense, as well, but I still believe curbing the drinking culture is a necessity in this age when we can do things that hadn't even been dreamed of only a few decades ago, but the human being is still stuck in a rut.
13rin
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Define Binge Drinking for me please.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
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Binge drinking: The dangerous practice of consuming large quantities of alcoholic beverages in a single session with the sole purpose of becoming intoxicated. Binge drinking carries a serious risk of harm, including alcohol poisoning.

Last edited by destruktion_6143 (2009-03-17 09:06:20)

13rin
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destruktion_6143 wrote:

Binge drinking: The dangerous practice of consuming large quantities of alcoholic beverages in a single session with the sole purpose of becoming intoxicated. Binge drinking carries a serious risk of harm, including alcohol poisoning.
Thank you.  But it begs the question of how many drinks in a session and how long the session is for.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
ghettoperson
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destruktion_6143 wrote:

Binge drinking: The dangerous practice of consuming large quantities of alcoholic beverages in a single session with the sole purpose of becoming intoxicated. Binge drinking carries a serious risk of fun and sleeping with strangers.
13rin
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ghettoperson wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

Binge drinking: The dangerous practice of consuming large quantities of alcoholic beverages in a single session with the sole purpose of becoming intoxicated. Binge drinking carries a serious risk of fun and sleeping with strangers.
Yea, thanks I can read.  Again though.  How long is the 'session' and how many drinks?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
ghettoperson
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I edited the quote for my own amusement, I wasn't referring you back to it. I don't think there is a specific requirement of time and drinks, it basically just means going out and getting drunk.
KEN-JENNINGS
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I don't necessarily see binge drinking as that big of a problem.  Speaking from a US perspective (and it seems from the article like the UK is the same way), binge drinking seems largely confined to college-age crowds.  It's a phase that people go through as they are away from their parents for a large period of time with plenty of free time.  That being said, I have no problem with "vice-tax" on certain items (like cigarettes and alcohol) to help offset the health issues related to using those products.  However, I think a bigger issue is the marketing and sale of drinks like Smirnoff Ice (and I am assuming alcopops are along the same lines) to minors.  It is quite obvious that these types of drinks are made and marketed to get the non-alcohol drinker accustomed to the taste of alcholic drinks, and that an inordinate amount of those drinks are consumed by minors, so I think that needs to be addressed.
cpt.fass1
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Whooo again more taxes for the religious right.. Ok it's bull shit, now what's going to happen is people are going to bing drink and be broke.. They claim all these taxes are to Cover the Health cost of things but do they? No, all they'll do is up the police force and give you stupid ass commericals about the dangers of drinking..
ghettoperson
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In related news I'm going to be going out binge drinking in a bit.

I feel like I'm some depressed emo bitch eating a bucket of icecream when I use the word 'binge'.
13rin
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ghettoperson wrote:

I edited the quote for my own amusement, I wasn't referring you back to it. I don't think there is a specific requirement of time and drinks, it basically just means going out and getting drunk.
Ah.  Apologies then.  My point is that a 'session' can last 6 hours.  If I have 6 six drinks in that six hours, I won't be drunk -however I still fall into that category.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
BVC
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While walking to work today, the day after St.Pats, there are a lot of patches of dried vomit on the footpath.  The litter people get up early though, and theres a CBD liquor ban, so not too many cans/broken bottles.

Went out for a couple but didn't get pissed.  There were lots of green-clad people drinking guinness and putting on terrible fake Irish accents while uttering "top of the morning", "to be sure, to be sure" and the odd Father Ted quote.  A lot of real Irish came out of the wodwork too

I get redundancy pay on friday night, and expect to regain consciousness on tuesday afternoon
Turquoise
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Let me get this straight...  We don't even have socialized medicine yet, and now, you're suggesting we tax the shit out of alcohol without any real reason to do so?

Fuck that.

We shouldn't even consider raising taxes on alcohol until we have a socialized system.  Until then, alcohol is expensive enough already.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I edited the quote for my own amusement, I wasn't referring you back to it. I don't think there is a specific requirement of time and drinks, it basically just means going out and getting drunk.
Ah.  Apologies then.  My point is that a 'session' can last 6 hours.  If I have 6 six drinks in that six hours, I won't be drunk -however I still fall into that category.
no, that is not binge drinking. 6 drinks in half an hour, ya, thats binge drinking
Roger Lesboules
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Humm, i drink to get buzzed and not totally drunk. So i don't binge drink...Keep my alcohol price low kthx.

Again, some stupid fuck who want to make something harder for everyone to get just because some asshole cant control themselves. Gg
ghettoperson
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Roger Lesboules wrote:

just because some asshole cant control themselves. Gg
I can stop drinking any time I want to!

*slides off his chair*
mcminty
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

Binge drinking: The dangerous practice of consuming large quantities of alcoholic beverages in a single session with the sole purpose of becoming intoxicated. Binge drinking carries a serious risk of fun and sleeping with strangers.
Yea, thanks I can read.  Again though.  How long is the 'session' and how many drinks?
Yeah, I want to know that too.


I think the Aus govt recently redefined binge drinking as having more than 5 standard drinks in a drinking session. Lol, I'll do that within 20 mins of going out (drinking).
Flecco
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Alcopops tax.


Really effective way to tackle binge drinking. Gg. Wd Rudd and co.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
CameronPoe
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Our nanny government over here in Ireland have taken measures that have driven the price of alcohol in Ireland through the roof. Net result? We're still no. 2 in the global annual beer consumption per capita league. We pay up to €6.50 a pint (damn Czechs). It's ludicrous but we pay it. You can't change entrenched culture through market intervention and Ireland is evidence of that. If you mess with the free market too much you will end up fostering the development of black markets too.

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DesertFox-
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Turquoise wrote:

Let me get this straight...  We don't even have socialized medicine yet, and now, you're suggesting we tax the shit out of alcohol without any real reason to do so?

Fuck that.

We shouldn't even consider raising taxes on alcohol until we have a socialized system.  Until then, alcohol is expensive enough already.
We don't have to tax the shit out of it yet, but why not slap some taxes on it regardless? $$$$$! As long as our culture has this "lez get drunk" aspect to it, we ought to be making something useful from it.
Turquoise
O Canada
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DesertFox- wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Let me get this straight...  We don't even have socialized medicine yet, and now, you're suggesting we tax the shit out of alcohol without any real reason to do so?

Fuck that.

We shouldn't even consider raising taxes on alcohol until we have a socialized system.  Until then, alcohol is expensive enough already.
We don't have to tax the shit out of it yet, but why not slap some taxes on it regardless? $$$$$! As long as our culture has this "lez get drunk" aspect to it, we ought to be making something useful from it.
We already do though.  To give you an idea of how much we tax alcohol, observe the difference in prices between Bacardi at the ABC store and Bacardi at a duty-free shop.

It's fucking insane.
ghettoperson
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CameronPoe wrote:

Our nanny government over here in Ireland have taken measures that have driven the price of alcohol in Ireland through the roof. Net result? We're still no. 2 in the global annual beer consumption per capita league. We pay up to €6.50 a pint (damn Czechs). It's ludicrous but we pay it. You can't change entrenched culture through market intervention and Ireland is evidence of that. If you mess with the free market too much you will end up fostering the development of black markets too.
Ouch, I pay that for a beer when I'm in the Alps! Cam's right, people either buy drinks elsewhere, or they adopt the student tactic of necking a bottle or two of wine before they go out. Always ensures a good (if slightly messy) evening.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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ghettoperson wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Our nanny government over here in Ireland have taken measures that have driven the price of alcohol in Ireland through the roof. Net result? We're still no. 2 in the global annual beer consumption per capita league. We pay up to €6.50 a pint (damn Czechs). It's ludicrous but we pay it. You can't change entrenched culture through market intervention and Ireland is evidence of that. If you mess with the free market too much you will end up fostering the development of black markets too.
Ouch, I pay that for a beer when I'm in the Alps! Cam's right, people either buy drinks elsewhere, or they adopt the student tactic of necking a bottle or two of wine before they go out. Always ensures a good (if slightly messy) evening.
During the months of the alcopops tax discussion being in the mainstream news and media here in Aus most of my mates switched over to mixing alcoholic drinks themselves or drinking straight spirits. Due to the fact that they thought they were being charged more. On reflection I don't think the tax was in effect at the time.

Seeing mates neck straight rum was a bit feral. I stuck with beer.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
BVC
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Cheap alcopops can approach a 1L bottle of spirits in terms of the physical amount of alcoholic content you're buying, but god are some of those cheap bourbon+colas disgusting!
DrunkFace
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Definitions vary country to country, but generally it's about 5 standard drinks (5 * 12.5mL of pure alcohol) a night.

On a similar but unrelated topic.
UK: The legal age for the purchase of liqueur chocolates is 16.

Ha, that made me laugh.

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