For calling me a nub you don't get no karma!usmarine wrote:
cool hand luke nubScorpion0x17 wrote:
What we have here is a failure to communicate...usmarine wrote:
cause people still seem to think that is what we have here.
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What we have here isn't much different from non bf2s debates ... the issues are the same, the debatees are quite like and debates in much the same manor ...Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Debates serve to persuade those of reason and rationality towards a side. What we have here are not debates.
Not that I would have it any other way.
A debate seldom changes any ones views rather than enhances what views you already have ... doesn't matter much if it's a gaming forum, a debate forum or IRL ...
Tbh ...
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k thanks FM. (still waiting for your examples dear)
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Now, one thing I could never figure out. Why are you required to attend church? Wouldn't you be better served using that time at a homeless shelter, soup kitchen, animal shelter, etc? Or do you have to go so you can get fed the propaganda and put money in the plate?
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Now, one thing I could never figure out. Why are you required to attend church? Wouldn't you be better served using that time at a homeless shelter, soup kitchen, animal shelter, etc? Or do you have to go so you can get fed the propaganda and put money in the plate?
In response to the OP, I quite agree with what I read in the post. I too feel that religion is a thing of the past and that it is high time logic prevailed. I also believe that governments do exactly the same thing with more or less the same amount of success - the only difference being that patriotism (which is the tool of manipulation in this case) is in a very small part justified - unlike religion which is utter bollocks.
Generally though I feel that mankind is in a position today to reevaluate those axioms and be rid of them - at the same time focusing on the only thing that actually separates people from one another. Social class.
Generally though I feel that mankind is in a position today to reevaluate those axioms and be rid of them - at the same time focusing on the only thing that actually separates people from one another. Social class.
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Now I don't like this anymore than You men...Scorpion0x17 wrote:
What we have here is a failure to communicate...
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You're not, you only need to read the bible once, and should draw your own conclusions.usm wrote:
Now, one thing I could never figure out. Why are you required to attend church?
YesWouldn't you be better served using that time at a homeless shelter, soup kitchen, animal shelter, etc?
I think we are getting somewhere.Or do you have to go so you can get fed the propaganda and put money in the plate?
Fuck Israel
I think it's so they could endoctrinate your children, and because they need money.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're not, you only need to read the bible once, and should draw your own conclusions.usm wrote:
Now, one thing I could never figure out. Why are you required to attend church?YesWouldn't you be better served using that time at a homeless shelter, soup kitchen, animal shelter, etc?I think we are getting somewhere.Or do you have to go so you can get fed the propaganda and put money in the plate?
Hebrews 10:22-25usmarine wrote:
Now, one thing I could never figure out. Why are you required to attend church? Wouldn't you be better served using that time at a homeless shelter, soup kitchen, animal shelter, etc? Or do you have to go so you can get fed the propaganda and put money in the plate?
"Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching."
Essentially believers attend to worship, confess sin, receive encouragement in their faith from like minded people, etc. The path of a believer is one of constant learning of God's principles and applying that learning to one's life. Giving is always voluntary in every church I have attended.
right. but, when you get more people to attend, the chances of more money being donated increases yes? so i ask again, why do you have to go to a building on a Sunday or whatever, when i have given examples of MUCH better things you could be doing for your fellow man / animals?Stingray24 wrote:
Giving is always voluntary in every church I have attended.
in the old times (about 2000 years ago probably) going to church actually did have a purpose other than the spreading of the religion itself
socializing, uniting people that otherwise had nothing in common, helping each other etc etc
today it's just for profit and propaganda spewing
socializing, uniting people that otherwise had nothing in common, helping each other etc etc
today it's just for profit and propaganda spewing
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Yes, of course, more attending results in more funds. But this does not all go to the minister. It also goes to fund foreign mission work, charity outreach, church programs, etc. For a congregation to have a full time minister, they need to give enough to allow the minister to be able to do his work on a full-time basis. Going to a particular building is a modern invention, the early church met in each others homes. But from there the number of believers grew, hence larger gathering places. Sunday is viewed as a day for the faithful to recharge to go out the rest of the week and do good for our fellow man.usmarine wrote:
right. but, when you get more people to attend, the chances of more money being donated increases yes? so i ask again, why do you have to go to a building on a Sunday or whatever, when i have given examples of MUCH better things you could be doing for your fellow man / animals?Stingray24 wrote:
Giving is always voluntary in every church I have attended.
Common man think. Most churches only get so much from the diocece. It depends almost entirely upon the generosity of its members. They have to heat, maintain the building, pay the preist, office supplies, phone bills etc. Its just like gamming clans, they need money to pay for servers, a website, teamspeak or ventrilo servers...usmarine wrote:
right. but, when you get more people to attend, the chances of more money being donated increases yes? so i ask again, why do you have to go to a building on a Sunday or whatever, when i have given examples of MUCH better things you could be doing for your fellow man / animals?Stingray24 wrote:
Giving is always voluntary in every church I have attended.
Why have the church at all though if there's better things for them to be doing to 'serve their God'?NAthANSmitt wrote:
Common man think. Most churches only get so much from the diocece. It depends almost entirely upon the generosity of its members. They have to heat, maintain the building, pay the preist, office supplies, phone bills etc. Its just like gamming clans, they need money to pay for servers, a website, teamspeak or ventrilo servers...usmarine wrote:
right. but, when you get more people to attend, the chances of more money being donated increases yes? so i ask again, why do you have to go to a building on a Sunday or whatever, when i have given examples of MUCH better things you could be doing for your fellow man / animals?Stingray24 wrote:
Giving is always voluntary in every church I have attended.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Do I have to explain every detail? They cant give mass and feed the homeless 24/7. They are Human. They need to eat and sleep too. There is also administrative things to do. Soldiers cant fight and pilots cant go flying for 24 hours a day. They need to clean their weapons, repair thier planes. Is any of this getting throught that thick skull of yours? I just explained why the church needed money donated and you answer with a question you should already know the answer to.Flecco wrote:
Why have the church at all though if there's better things for them to be doing to 'serve their God'?NAthANSmitt wrote:
Common man think. Most churches only get so much from the diocece. It depends almost entirely upon the generosity of its members. They have to heat, maintain the building, pay the preist, office supplies, phone bills etc. Its just like gamming clans, they need money to pay for servers, a website, teamspeak or ventrilo servers...usmarine wrote:
right. but, when you get more people to attend, the chances of more money being donated increases yes? so i ask again, why do you have to go to a building on a Sunday or whatever, when i have given examples of MUCH better things you could be doing for your fellow man / animals?
Justify the existence of Mega Churches like thisNAthANSmitt wrote:
Do I have to explain every detail? They cant give mass and feed the homeless 24/7. They are Human. They need to eat and sleep too. There is also administrative things to do. Soldiers cant fight and pilots cant go flying for 24 hours a day. They need to clean their weapons, repair thier planes. Is any of this getting throught that thick skull of yours? I just explained why the church needed money donated and you answer with a question you should already know the answer to.Flecco wrote:
Why have the church at all though if there's better things for them to be doing to 'serve their God'?NAthANSmitt wrote:
Common man think. Most churches only get so much from the diocece. It depends almost entirely upon the generosity of its members. They have to heat, maintain the building, pay the preist, office supplies, phone bills etc. Its just like gamming clans, they need money to pay for servers, a website, teamspeak or ventrilo servers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cryst … _Tower.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crys-ext.jpg
I was talking about the Catholic churches. Those, you might want to ask a protestant or something because Ill agree with you when you say those are a rip off. Trust me, my church (St. Peters Roman Catholic)depends almost entirely upon the generosity of its members and regularly feeds the poor. I have even particepated in said feeding of the poor a few times.Macbeth wrote:
Justify the existence of Mega Churches like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cryst … _Tower.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crys-ext.jpg
So what about then Catholic catherdals like theseNAthANSmitt wrote:
I was talking about the Catholic churches. Those, you might want to ask a protestant or something because Ill agree with you when you say those are a rip off. Trust me, my church (St. Peters Roman Catholic)depends almost entirely upon the generosity of its members and regularly feeds the poor. I have even particepated in said feeding of the poor a few times.Macbeth wrote:
Justify the existence of Mega Churches like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cryst … _Tower.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crys-ext.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chart … hedral.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cathe … ecture.jpg
Ah yes, very beautiful peice of archetecture. Gothic I think. Anyway that was started in 1160, when I'll admit the church was under the influence of the monarchy and it was a 'who you know' not 'what you know' type of leadership, and it was finished in 1345.
But as pertaining to your query...
But as pertaining to your query...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_de_ParisUnder the 1905 French law on the separation of Church and State, Notre Dame remains state property, like all cathedrals built by the Kingdom of France, but its use is granted to the Roman Catholic Church.
Uh it was actually more of the monarch was under the influence of the Church back then.NAthANSmitt wrote:
Ah yes, very beautiful peice of archetecture. Gothic I think. Anyway that was started in 1160, when I'll admit the church was under the influence of the monarchy and it was a 'who you know' not 'what you know' type of leadership, and it was finished in 1345.
But as pertaining to your query...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_de_ParisUnder the 1905 French law on the separation of Church and State, Notre Dame remains state property, like all cathedrals built by the Kingdom of France, but its use is granted to the Roman Catholic Church.
Do you want me to keep posting pictures of Cathedrals or will you just admit that the Catholics hose their congregation just like everyone else.
so instead of building nice little churches, why not just send an email / letter out every week telling people what soup kitchen to go to and help out at for example? there, no need for a building an a payroll. so, you eliminated overhead and are serving mankind much better then stuffed inside a church.NAthANSmitt wrote:
Common man think. Most churches only get so much from the diocece. It depends almost entirely upon the generosity of its members. They have to heat, maintain the building, pay the preist, office supplies, phone bills etc. Its just like gamming clans, they need money to pay for servers, a website, teamspeak or ventrilo servers...usmarine wrote:
right. but, when you get more people to attend, the chances of more money being donated increases yes? so i ask again, why do you have to go to a building on a Sunday or whatever, when i have given examples of MUCH better things you could be doing for your fellow man / animals?Stingray24 wrote:
Giving is always voluntary in every church I have attended.
I wont because they don't. You don't have to give, but I do sometimes, maybe a buck or five. Im not getting hosed.
you are not following me.
you were justifying it explaining their overhead and such. i explained ho to eliminate that, and help out the world.
you were justifying it explaining their overhead and such. i explained ho to eliminate that, and help out the world.
Maybe you aren't getting the primary mission of the church. You go for moral guidance and to recieve the sacraments(catholics) and to fulfill the 4th commandment. If you want to add "works" to your divine resume, go find a soup kitchen yourself or ask a preist or another member of the congregation. The services can enrich your understanding of the bible so instead of just reading it and going "I dont understand that, Ill be an atheist". Hell if you dont understand something ask around, read one of the many books on the subject (Catechism of the Catholic Church is a good one). Its you who is/are not following me.
i understand completely. i read tons of catholic bollocks for many years.NAthANSmitt wrote:
Hell if you dont understand something ask around, read one of the many books on the subject (Catechism of the Catholic Church is a good one).
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I can understand the desire for soul searching and helpnig the poor, but the choir boy touching always turned me off from the Catholics.
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