Nope, I siad this started with the housing market, you disagreed, I said the democrats and their govt. involvment was the the match, you disagreed. I have given you sources that prove both. You disagree, nothing more I can do or say.Varegg wrote:
No sound economic experts blame the democrats alone as you do lowing ... the experts pretty much have the exact same view as your debating opponents in this thread ...lowing wrote:
Then tell it to the "experts"Varegg wrote:
That's the ignorant approach lowing, by that statement you prove again and again that you don't understand how economy works ... I don't know how many posts I and others have made about just that issue and still you use the same BS argument ...
that you on a gaming forum know more than the they do.
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for Europe, and I am using them correctly for the US.DonFck wrote:
Clearly not. I'm using terms correctly.lowing wrote:
Not harldy, remember, you have Obama and Clinton os leaning to the right. We are not on the same page with thisDonFck wrote:
I'd say that "isms" are the same globally. You just use the wrong names.
In the US Obama and Clinton are far from center let alone far from it to the right!
Problem is lowing your sources doesn't prove what you claim ... they say the housing issues contributed but you single it out as the only issue to cause the crisis because its fits your view of how the democrats ruines your life ...lowing wrote:
Nope, I siad this started with the housing market, you disagreed, I said the democrats and their govt. involvment was the the match, you disagreed. I have given you sources that prove both. You disagree, nothing more I can do or say.Varegg wrote:
No sound economic experts blame the democrats alone as you do lowing ... the experts pretty much have the exact same view as your debating opponents in this thread ...lowing wrote:
Then tell it to the "experts"
that you on a gaming forum know more than the they do.
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Are you by any chance homeschooled? Look up "Socialism" and "Communism". After that, please rephrase. You throw out words without any consideration as to what they mean. Obama is not a socialist. Castro is.lowing wrote:
for Europe, and I am using them correctly for the US.DonFck wrote:
Clearly not. I'm using terms correctly.lowing wrote:
Not harldy, remember, you have Obama and Clinton os leaning to the right. We are not on the same page with this
In the US Obama and Clinton are far from center let alone far from it to the right!
I need around tree fiddy.
Those terms are global lowing ... it doesn't have one meaning in Europe and another in the US ...lowing wrote:
for Europe, and I am using them correctly for the US.DonFck wrote:
Clearly not. I'm using terms correctly.lowing wrote:
Not harldy, remember, you have Obama and Clinton os leaning to the right. We are not on the same page with this
In the US Obama and Clinton are far from center let alone far from it to the right!
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But even in the US Obama and Clinton are far from Communistic.lowing wrote:
for Europe, and I am using them correctly for the US.
In the US Obama and Clinton are far from center let alone far from it to the right!
You know Hitler was right wing conservative...lowing wrote:
Nothing irrelevant about it, you love Obama, well, ya also appeased Hitler, uhhhhh BEFORE he kicked your asses. So yes, your judgment of political leaders and their and their intentions is very relevant. You suck at it.Varegg wrote:
No ... just totally irrelevant ...lowing wrote:
DId I say something that is NOT true?
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No I said it STARTED with the housing market, and you know that is what I said. and the housing market issues were started due to democratic involvment. Both of which I provided links for.Varegg wrote:
Problem is lowing your sources doesn't prove what you claim ... they say the housing issues contributed but you single it out as the only issue to cause the crisis because its fits your view of how the democrats ruines your life ...lowing wrote:
Nope, I siad this started with the housing market, you disagreed, I said the democrats and their govt. involvment was the the match, you disagreed. I have given you sources that prove both. You disagree, nothing more I can do or say.Varegg wrote:
No sound economic experts blame the democrats alone as you do lowing ... the experts pretty much have the exact same view as your debating opponents in this thread ...
I know what they are, and they are a stones throw from each other, and Obama is clearly a socialist, or how else do you explain govt. taking over the banks, the auto industry with their czars, and spreading the wealth around that others have earned to those that have not. Taxing the fuck out of achievment, while coddling those that rely on govt. THere is a reason for this.DonFck wrote:
Are you by any chance homeschooled? Look up "Socialism" and "Communism". After that, please rephrase. You throw out words without any consideration as to what they mean. Obama is not a socialist. Castro is.lowing wrote:
for Europe, and I am using them correctly for the US.DonFck wrote:
Clearly not. I'm using terms correctly.
In the US Obama and Clinton are far from center let alone far from it to the right!
He is a fuckin socialist.
Then you have some explaining to do, as to why Obama and Clinton are leftists in the US and you have them as right wingers. By the way, I didn't start the whole left right thing in the US. Beleive it or not, I am just not that influencial.Varegg wrote:
Those terms are global lowing ... it doesn't have one meaning in Europe and another in the US ...lowing wrote:
for Europe, and I am using them correctly for the US.DonFck wrote:
Clearly not. I'm using terms correctly.
In the US Obama and Clinton are far from center let alone far from it to the right!
Really? see, I thought he was big govt. asshole as well.DrunkFace wrote:
You know Hitler was right wing conservative...lowing wrote:
Nothing irrelevant about it, you love Obama, well, ya also appeased Hitler, uhhhhh BEFORE he kicked your asses. So yes, your judgment of political leaders and their and their intentions is very relevant. You suck at it.Varegg wrote:
No ... just totally irrelevant ...
Maybe you should start a revolution, lowing?
I need around tree fiddy.
No need, this dipshit that was elected will only be around for 4 years, if he is not impeached.DonFck wrote:
Maybe you should start a revolution, lowing?
Did you vote, btw?lowing wrote:
No need, this dipshit that was elected will only be around for 4 years, if he is not impeached.DonFck wrote:
Maybe you should start a revolution, lowing?
I need around tree fiddy.
Actually this year I was overseas, I had good intentions but procrastinated on my absentee ballot. I didn't worry too much about it since I knew my state would not go to the democrats anyway. If I lived in Ohio or something, I woulda taken better care that my vote was sent in on time.DonFck wrote:
Did you vote, btw?lowing wrote:
No need, this dipshit that was elected will only be around for 4 years, if he is not impeached.DonFck wrote:
Maybe you should start a revolution, lowing?
It didn't start with the housing market lowing, the housing market was a contributor to a credit bubble about to burst that could be seen miles away ... a non regulated market and banks and financial institutions horny for a few bucks extra not securing their loans good enough is what ultimately started this crisis, the housing market just made it happen sooner rather than a little tad later, housing market or not this crisis would have come no matter what ...lowing wrote:
No I said it STARTED with the housing market, and you know that is what I said. and the housing market issues were started due to democratic involvment. Both of which I provided links for.Varegg wrote:
Problem is lowing your sources doesn't prove what you claim ... they say the housing issues contributed but you single it out as the only issue to cause the crisis because its fits your view of how the democrats ruines your life ...lowing wrote:
Nope, I siad this started with the housing market, you disagreed, I said the democrats and their govt. involvment was the the match, you disagreed. I have given you sources that prove both. You disagree, nothing more I can do or say.
Sad thing is in a post or thread later you will still use the same arguments that doesn't hold water ...
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So that's a "no" then.lowing wrote:
Actually this year I was overseas, I had good intentions but procrastinated on my absentee ballot. I didn't worry too much about it since I knew my state would not go to the democrats anyway. If I lived in Ohio or something, I woulda taken better care that my vote was sent in on time.DonFck wrote:
Did you vote, btw?lowing wrote:
No need, this dipshit that was elected will only be around for 4 years, if he is not impeached.
I need around tree fiddy.
That was his populist stance. To help soften the image. In truth he borrowed the fascist system from the Italians and added a lovely little nationalist/racist agenda to ensure he could mobilise so much of the population for war. Some of the policies weren't bad though, like the forest protection and the pride in national history.lowing wrote:
Really? see, I thought he was big govt. asshole as well.DrunkFace wrote:
You know Hitler was right wing conservative...lowing wrote:
Nothing irrelevant about it, you love Obama, well, ya also appeased Hitler, uhhhhh BEFORE he kicked your asses. So yes, your judgment of political leaders and their and their intentions is very relevant. You suck at it.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Sorry, this guy seems to know more than either of us.Varegg wrote:
It didn't start with the housing market lowing, the housing market was a contributor to a credit bubble about to burst that could be seen miles away ... a non regulated market and banks and financial institutions horny for a few bucks extra not securing their loans good enough is what ultimately started this crisis, the housing market just made it happen sooner rather than a little tad later, housing market or not this crisis would have come no matter what ...lowing wrote:
No I said it STARTED with the housing market, and you know that is what I said. and the housing market issues were started due to democratic involvment. Both of which I provided links for.Varegg wrote:
Problem is lowing your sources doesn't prove what you claim ... they say the housing issues contributed but you single it out as the only issue to cause the crisis because its fits your view of how the democrats ruines your life ...
Sad thing is in a post or thread later you will still use the same arguments that doesn't hold water ...
http://business2press.com/2008/11/11/ex … s-started/
Sorry but you need to read and understand the article you just linked to ...lowing wrote:
Sorry, this guy seems to know more than either of us.Varegg wrote:
It didn't start with the housing market lowing, the housing market was a contributor to a credit bubble about to burst that could be seen miles away ... a non regulated market and banks and financial institutions horny for a few bucks extra not securing their loans good enough is what ultimately started this crisis, the housing market just made it happen sooner rather than a little tad later, housing market or not this crisis would have come no matter what ...lowing wrote:
No I said it STARTED with the housing market, and you know that is what I said. and the housing market issues were started due to democratic involvment. Both of which I provided links for.
Sad thing is in a post or thread later you will still use the same arguments that doesn't hold water ...
http://business2press.com/2008/11/11/ex … s-started/
Short version explaining the article is that banks started to fall over when they couldn't match their clients expectations for profit when they sold of bad customer credits as an investment oppurtunity ... everyone knows or should know that lending more money to finance another loan is bad business and will never pay off ...
So the article you linked to I can agree with and it basically says I am right and you are wrong lowing ... nice try though, I'll give you that but you kinda just owned yourself
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"It all started about a decade ago when banks started redlining urban centers which immediately disqualified people from obtaining mortgages in the hypothetical red areas. The problem began when banks thought the solution to redlining was with sub-prime mortgages"Varegg wrote:
Sorry but you need to read and understand the article you just linked to ...lowing wrote:
Sorry, this guy seems to know more than either of us.Varegg wrote:
It didn't start with the housing market lowing, the housing market was a contributor to a credit bubble about to burst that could be seen miles away ... a non regulated market and banks and financial institutions horny for a few bucks extra not securing their loans good enough is what ultimately started this crisis, the housing market just made it happen sooner rather than a little tad later, housing market or not this crisis would have come no matter what ...
Sad thing is in a post or thread later you will still use the same arguments that doesn't hold water ...
http://business2press.com/2008/11/11/ex … s-started/
Short version explaining the article is that banks started to fall over when they couldn't match their clients expectations for profit when they sold of bad customer credits as an investment oppurtunity ... everyone knows or should know that lending more money to finance another loan is bad business and will never pay off ...
So the article you linked to I can agree with and it basically says I am right and you are wrong lowing ... nice try though, I'll give you that but you kinda just owned yourself
huh?
Read the whole article lowing not just that one line that coincides with your views, the whole article gives a slightly different story and explains more thoroughly what he means ... sub primes alone didn't cause this lowing and the writer of this article is along the lines of many others sharing the exact same view ...lowing wrote:
"It all started about a decade ago when banks started redlining urban centers which immediately disqualified people from obtaining mortgages in the hypothetical red areas. The problem began when banks thought the solution to redlining was with sub-prime mortgages"Varegg wrote:
Sorry but you need to read and understand the article you just linked to ...lowing wrote:
Sorry, this guy seems to know more than either of us.
http://business2press.com/2008/11/11/ex … s-started/
Short version explaining the article is that banks started to fall over when they couldn't match their clients expectations for profit when they sold of bad customer credits as an investment oppurtunity ... everyone knows or should know that lending more money to finance another loan is bad business and will never pay off ...
So the article you linked to I can agree with and it basically says I am right and you are wrong lowing ... nice try though, I'll give you that but you kinda just owned yourself
huh?
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I read the whole article, ya see how it wroks is this, you make a statement in the first paragraph then you re-enforce that that statement in the following paragraphs. This guy said in his first paragraph that the crisis was started in the housing market, ( which I said and you diagreed with) then he explained that position.Varegg wrote:
Read the whole article lowing not just that one line that coincides with your views, the whole article gives a slightly different story and explains more thoroughly what he means ... sub primes alone didn't cause this lowing and the writer of this article is along the lines of many others sharing the exact same view ...lowing wrote:
"It all started about a decade ago when banks started redlining urban centers which immediately disqualified people from obtaining mortgages in the hypothetical red areas. The problem began when banks thought the solution to redlining was with sub-prime mortgages"Varegg wrote:
Sorry but you need to read and understand the article you just linked to ...
Short version explaining the article is that banks started to fall over when they couldn't match their clients expectations for profit when they sold of bad customer credits as an investment oppurtunity ... everyone knows or should know that lending more money to finance another loan is bad business and will never pay off ...
So the article you linked to I can agree with and it basically says I am right and you are wrong lowing ... nice try though, I'll give you that but you kinda just owned yourself
huh?
Now you are telling me you agree with it? What is your problem that you will refuse to agree with me? Are you so stubborn that you can not bring yourself to do so?
Then I post a link that suppors the democrats involvement can I now expect you to disagree with that, only to agree when someone else says it?
*Sigh*
You really need to get it in by spoon don't you lowing ...
The housing market can in a way if you twist it real good be the cause of the crisis, but it isn't ... it is only fuel to get the fire going ... what the article explains is how the housing market sparked an crisis already in development, what the article explains is how the house bubble bursted with the sub primes amongst others but the foundation of the credit crisis was already there and it explains how it all accelerated when speculations in the same market of bad loans were conducted ...
But how can I explain this to you any simpler than I did some posts ago?
Lets go a decade back in time ... you blame the democrats for passing a law or bill that makes this possible, okay ... lets for the continued arguments sake say you are correct that the dems originally did all this all by themselves ... the question is then why on earth didn't the republicants stop this during their time? ... they had 8 years to do something about it no? ... that the dems got this bill passed gives them the entire blaim? ... the whole finacial system failed around this bill don't you think? ... or are you so shallow and dense that you only see what you like to see and what fits your current view of democratic failure blocking out some pieces of information that actually are vital to get the entire picture?
You really need to get it in by spoon don't you lowing ...
The housing market can in a way if you twist it real good be the cause of the crisis, but it isn't ... it is only fuel to get the fire going ... what the article explains is how the housing market sparked an crisis already in development, what the article explains is how the house bubble bursted with the sub primes amongst others but the foundation of the credit crisis was already there and it explains how it all accelerated when speculations in the same market of bad loans were conducted ...
But how can I explain this to you any simpler than I did some posts ago?
Lets go a decade back in time ... you blame the democrats for passing a law or bill that makes this possible, okay ... lets for the continued arguments sake say you are correct that the dems originally did all this all by themselves ... the question is then why on earth didn't the republicants stop this during their time? ... they had 8 years to do something about it no? ... that the dems got this bill passed gives them the entire blaim? ... the whole finacial system failed around this bill don't you think? ... or are you so shallow and dense that you only see what you like to see and what fits your current view of democratic failure blocking out some pieces of information that actually are vital to get the entire picture?
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you are spinning your wheels here, and trying to find a way out. The article clearly states this was started by the housing market and it issues. CLEARLY. You wanna agree with this guy in that, but want to disagree with me because I said it.Varegg wrote:
*Sigh*
You really need to get it in by spoon don't you lowing ...
The housing market can in a way if you twist it real good be the cause of the crisis, but it isn't ... it is only fuel to get the fire going ... what the article explains is how the housing market sparked an crisis already in development, what the article explains is how the house bubble bursted with the sub primes amongst others but the foundation of the credit crisis was already there and it explains how it all accelerated when speculations in the same market of bad loans were conducted ...
But how can I explain this to you any simpler than I did some posts ago?
Lets go a decade back in time ... you blame the democrats for passing a law or bill that makes this possible, okay ... lets for the continued arguments sake say you are correct that the dems originally did all this all by themselves ... the question is then why on earth didn't the republicants stop this during their time? ... they had 8 years to do something about it no? ... that the dems got this bill passed gives them the entire blaim? ... the whole finacial system failed around this bill don't you think? ... or are you so shallow and dense that you only see what you like to see and what fits your current view of democratic failure blocking out some pieces of information that actually are vital to get the entire picture?
Coulda swore, I posted links that showed the democrats were warned about this bullshit, yeah, a decade ago.
http://www.truveo.com/Bush-McCain-Warne … 3588284050
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