Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6486|Ireland
Foxnew is reporting it, you decide:  http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/ … ama_media/

quote:

Remember the Barack Obama who proposed pulling our troops out of Iraq by the end of 2008? “The days of our open-ended commitment must come to a close,” he told the Senate, according to a Jan. 31, 2007, Washington Post article. Now, according to the Associated Press, the open-ended commitment has been replaced with “as many as 50,000 troops to remain behind to train Iraqi forces and protect U.S. interests.” Even anti-war lefties think he lied. They are right –- for once.

Remember that guy Obama who supported gun rights? He’s just a faint memory. A year ago, in an interview with Politico, Obama was reminded that supported gun ownership:

“You said recently, ‘I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.’ But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?”

Even then he hemmed and hawed, concluding:

“We can have a reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

“Reasonable, thoughtful” are words unknown to Attorney General Eric Holder. Holder already has tried to link the Mexican narco-wars to U.S. gun sales and go after supposed “assault weapons.”

Obama’s record on government and the economy is actually worse. He and his surrogates keep maintaining that his budget won’t hurt the pockets of 95 percent of Americans who will get a tax cut.

They lie. The lead editorial in the Feb. 27 Wall Street Journal showed by just how much. Using 2006 tax records, The Wall Street Journal showed how a tax hike won’t begin to pay the 2010 budget of the $4 trillion. Even if the government were to confiscate (aka steal) every penny made by those who earn $250,000 and above, it would only meet one-third of the goal.

To pay for that whole $4 trillion budget, the government would have to pilfer “every taxable ‘dime’ of everyone earning more than $75,000.” That would just barely meet the goal, but those are 2006 numbers when the economy was good. In 2010, we’d need to go even lower.

A tax cut for 95 percent? Not hardly. The government will give money with one hand and take it back and loads more with the other –- lying to us the whole time.

/quote



Democraps and Repugnicans are such tools.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6952

A politician who didn't make good on all his campaign promises? Big shocker there.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6968|NT, like Mick Dundee

A politician who flipped on populist issues after getting into power to pursue his true agenda? Nothing new there.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6486|Ireland

Flecco wrote:

A politician who flipped on populist issues after getting into power to pursue his true agenda? Nothing new there.

ghettoperson wrote:

A politician who didn't make good on all his campaign promises? Big shocker there.
Change!  Yes We Can!
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6948

ghettoperson wrote:

A politician who didn't make good on all his campaign promises? Big shocker there.
hahaha yea they are all liars hahaha they say one thing and do another u got to be stupid to believe them in the first place
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6756|The Twilight Zone
We are all liars. The question is who lies the least
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rdx-fx
...
+955|6894
The truly damning part of it all;

"Change" and "NOT politics as usual" was the whole of Obama's campaign platform.
(Well, that and "I'm not George Bush" - but there are 300 million people in the USA who aren't George Bush.)
rdx-fx
...
+955|6894
Looks like he's pulled a page from the Chicago Politics Playbook; "Say anything to get elected. Do what you want once the votes are in.  Disregard any promises made on the campaign trail as 'old news'" ...

Obama flat out lied to the moderates to get their votes.  He's pursuing his left-leaning agenda, as expected.  Anti-gun, pro-big-government, pro tax-and-spend, anti upper-class.  Classical 1970's democrat.

Sad part of it all - the Republicans are going to keep losing elections until they either
1) get better at the media spin game (unlikely) or
2) Get wholly onboard the "I'm not GWB" bandwagon too.


I'll grant that Obama appears to truly be trying to fix problems not of his making.  He stepped up to take on a very difficult job, and he deserves a small bit of respect for that. 

However, he still doesn't have the experience necessary for the job - and he's doing nearly everything completely wrong in his attempts to fix it.  The only thing he's getting right is 'Present an appearance of confident leadership.  Look like you have a good plan. Make the masses think everything's going to be all right'

Boil it down to basics, and , really, the entire economy is based fundamentally on people's confidence in the system.  This is why bubbles can last for years, then suddenly burst with no turning back.  Someone or some thing comes along to point out the illusion, and the magic is gone.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6924|London, England
That's I think how a lot of people see as the natural way of things. You had a very conservative politician for 8 years that at the end ruined the party image, and now you're getting a very liberal politician - Basically, if GWB wasn't what he was, Obama wouldn't be where he is. You're going to have to hope, as a Republican, that Obama is as bad as Bush was to stand a chance

That's how I see it. The Republicans have created their own harsh downfall
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6692
“We can have a reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

The Second Amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
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FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6803|so randum

west-phoenix-az wrote:

“We can have a reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

The Second Amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
You already have gun control.
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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
rdx-fx
...
+955|6894

FatherTed wrote:

west-phoenix-az wrote:

“We can have a reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

The Second Amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
You already have gun control.
Make more laws restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens - and it'll still do nothing towards enforcing the pre-existing laws prohibiting career criminals, felons, drug addicts, and the criminally insane from doing what they do.

Enforce the existing laws regarding the true criminals.  More restrictions for the innocent civilian does nothing.

Cat shits on the carpet again, you don't rub the Dog's nose in it harder this time to teach the Cat a lesson.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
George bush was no conservative.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6803|so randum

rdx-fx wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

west-phoenix-az wrote:

“We can have a reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

The Second Amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
You already have gun control.
Make more laws restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens - and it'll still do nothing towards enforcing the pre-existing laws prohibiting career criminals, felons, drug addicts, and the criminally insane from doing what they do.

Enforce the existing laws regarding the true criminals.  More restrictions for the innocent civilian does nothing.

Cat shits on the carpet again, you don't rub the Dog's nose in it harder this time to teach the Cat a lesson.
Oh ja i know, was just being pedantic

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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
rdx-fx
...
+955|6894

FatherTed wrote:

Oh ja i know, was just being pedantic

Figured as much.  FatherTed getting face-first ... into a debate.  That'd be unusual.

For the most part, I'm sticking to my conclusion that arguing about the 2nd Amendment in BF2S is like 'Discussing your favorite steak recipe with a crowd of vegetarians'
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6803|so randum

rdx-fx wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Oh ja i know, was just being pedantic

Figured as much.  FatherTed getting face-first ... into a debate.  That'd be unusual.

For the most part, I'm sticking to my conclusion that arguing about the 2nd Amendment in BF2S is like 'Discussing your favorite steak recipe with a crowd of vegetarians'
It is in all honestly. While us Euros may blanch at the idea of owning guns (which btw i don't, i used to shoot quite a lot, and love it), we'll never totally understand the 2nd. Possibly because we don't like there, but mostly because it's such a part of your culture. I'd never fully expect an American to understand the significance of say, Irish conflict for example.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6692

FatherTed wrote:

west-phoenix-az wrote:

“We can have a reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

The Second Amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
You already have gun control.
Trust me, I know.
He respects the 2A by doing the exact opposite of what it reads and should be.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
Politicians always lie.

Who would elect them if they didn't.
¦TØP¦ Rommel1l
Member
+8|6605

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Foxnew is reporting it, you decide:  http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/ … ama_media/

quote:

Remember the Barack Obama who proposed pulling our troops out of Iraq by the end of 2008? “The days of our open-ended commitment must come to a close,” he told the Senate, according to a Jan. 31, 2007, Washington Post article. Now, according to the Associated Press, the open-ended commitment has been replaced with “as many as 50,000 troops to remain behind to train Iraqi forces and protect U.S. interests.” Even anti-war lefties think he lied. They are right –- for once.

Remember that guy Obama who supported gun rights? He’s just a faint memory. A year ago, in an interview with Politico, Obama was reminded that supported gun ownership:

“You said recently, ‘I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.’ But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?”

Even then he hemmed and hawed, concluding:

“We can have a reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

“Reasonable, thoughtful” are words unknown to Attorney General Eric Holder. Holder already has tried to link the Mexican narco-wars to U.S. gun sales and go after supposed “assault weapons.”

Obama’s record on government and the economy is actually worse. He and his surrogates keep maintaining that his budget won’t hurt the pockets of 95 percent of Americans who will get a tax cut.

They lie. The lead editorial in the Feb. 27 Wall Street Journal showed by just how much. Using 2006 tax records, The Wall Street Journal showed how a tax hike won’t begin to pay the 2010 budget of the $4 trillion. Even if the government were to confiscate (aka steal) every penny made by those who earn $250,000 and above, it would only meet one-third of the goal.

To pay for that whole $4 trillion budget, the government would have to pilfer “every taxable ‘dime’ of everyone earning more than $75,000.” That would just barely meet the goal, but those are 2006 numbers when the economy was good. In 2010, we’d need to go even lower.

A tax cut for 95 percent? Not hardly. The government will give money with one hand and take it back and loads more with the other –- lying to us the whole time.

/quote



Democraps and Repugnicans are such tools.
1. The President cannot pull every troop out of Iraq if every military commander and intelligence official says it would be a disaster.  But, he can get as close to it as intelligently possible.

2. The last time I checked, civilians do not need assault rifles. 

3.  You forgot to take into account every single other action that our President is putting into effect that will help with the 2010 budget in the long term.  I cannot name specifics but I think we'll see some major technology breakthroughs in the coming years.

Last edited by ¦TØP¦ Rommel1l (2009-03-05 15:00:41)

Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7009

rdx-fx wrote:

The truly damning part of it all;

"Change" and "NOT politics as usual" was the whole of Obama's campaign platform.
(Well, that and "I'm not George Bush" - but there are 300 million people in the USA who aren't George Bush.)
I can only hope that he doesn't mess up too much worse than Bush did.  At this rate, China and the rest of the countries we owe money are going to repossess the United States.
rdx-fx
...
+955|6894

¦TØP¦ Rommel1l wrote:

2. The last time I checked, civilians do not need assault rifles.
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

doesn't matter what you think your neighbor needs.  Basic Right here.

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-03-05 16:25:43)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
It would be hard for Obama to do worse than Bush.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6456|what

rdx-fx wrote:

¦TØP¦ Rommel1l wrote:

2. The last time I checked, civilians do not need assault rifles.
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

doesn't matter what you think your neighbor needs.  Basic Right here.
Well then they should have free access to flamethrowers, gatling guns and everything else.
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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6840|Long Island, New York

AussieReaper wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

¦TØP¦ Rommel1l wrote:

2. The last time I checked, civilians do not need assault rifles.
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

doesn't matter what you think your neighbor needs.  Basic Right here.
Well then they should have free access to flamethrowers, gatling guns and everything else.
I've always wanted my very own rocket launcher.

Maybe an ol' WW2 bazooka.
OxenBreeder
Member
+46|6069|KTRI
@ LD, Come on man, you know when a politician is lying to you, don't ya?













































When his/her mouth is moving.

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