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2009-03-02 20:41:57
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

key phrase being, "nothing on that video". You were not there the several hours before this video, and by the history of this piece of shit kid, you might wanna consider that.
What happened before that video doesn't matter.  His physical reaction to the situation was completely out of proportion.  He chose to be a police officer, dealing with rotten children is part of the job.
What happened before the video doesn't matter, I disagree.

His reaction to the situation being out of proportion, perhaps, again I wanna know what she did that pushed him to that point. YOur lack of concern about it and for you to say that information does not matter is nothing short of a lack of respect for law enforcement everywhare.

You care more about how criminals are treated than how cops are treated. Nice
2009-03-02 20:46:17
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6824|the dank(super) side of Oregon

lowing wrote:

again I wanna know what she did that pushed him to that point.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, HE DOESN'T GET TO OVERREACT.

YOur lack of concern about it and for you to say that information does not matter is nothing short of a lack of respect for law enforcement everywhare.
I respect cops becuase I know of the shit they have to put up with.

You care more about how criminals are treated than how cops are treated. Nice
I care more about the Constitution being followed than how cops are treated.
2009-03-02 20:50:52
imortal
Member
+240|6908|Austin, TX

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

key phrase being, "nothing on that video". You were not there the several hours before this video, and by the history of this piece of shit kid, you might wanna consider that.
What happened before that video doesn't matter.  His physical reaction to the situation was completely out of proportion.  He chose to be a police officer, dealing with rotten children is part of the job.  He doesn't get to have bad days.  He doesn't get to overreact.
And here is the fun side fo being a police officer. You are held to a higher standard. God help you if you prove to be human.  Is it any wonder why so many cops marriages end in divorce?  Why so many cops commit suicide?  Nobody made him become a cop. People make it sound either as if it is the price to pay for carrying a gun, or too bad he wasn't able to get a real job, depending on tone.  These are people who, by and large, are working to protect you.  Everyone out there.  They get paid lousy wages, they work lousy hours, they get treated with nothin but comtempt, fear, and supsiscion, they are constantly in contact with the very worst parts of society, they are under constant observation by 'watchdog' organizations.  Most of them are great people; honest, hard working, and caring.  Are there bad apples?  Yes, there are those who are drawn to the perceived power of being a cop, those who do get a kick carrying a gun.

Cops are constantly berated for 'not doing their jobs,' usually by people who they are giving a ticket, or by someone who was just robbed, compalining that the cop should have stopped them.  Usually that is the same guy who voted against a bond for the city to expand its police force.
okay, vent complete.... for now.

Last edited by imortal (2009-03-02 20:51:10)

2009-03-02 21:51:19
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|6949
Okaaayy, and this guy is an asshole who is giving a bad name to all cops.  He should get more than a year.  That's all I'm saying.
2009-03-02 22:53:12
d4rkph03n1x
Member
+131|6993

Although the cop was brutal in his attack, perhaps she said something to provoke him? All that is provided is a video with no audio.
2009-03-02 23:14:15
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6918|Canberra, AUS
So...

Lowing is saying that we can't judge the cop because we don't know the full facts.

Clearly he hasn't let a similar proposition cloud his judgement of the girl.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2009-03-02 23:30:09
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6890

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

Although the cop was brutal in his attack, perhaps she said something to provoke him? All that is provided is a video with no audio.
Even if she threatened his life he still doesn't have a right to slam her like that. Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between justified and excessive force but in this case it's a no brainer.
2009-03-03 00:08:08
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6870|Canada

Spark wrote:

So...

Lowing is saying that we can't judge the cop because we don't know the full facts.

Clearly he hasn't let a similar proposition cloud his judgement of the girl.
oh snap! ya, we can only assume she was threatening to kill the officer.
2009-03-03 03:01:40
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

destruktion_6143 wrote:

Spark wrote:

So...

Lowing is saying that we can't judge the cop because we don't know the full facts.

Clearly he hasn't let a similar proposition cloud his judgement of the girl.
oh snap! ya, we can only assume she was threatening to kill the officer.
Never said that, I said I default into giving the cops the benefit of the doubt over the criminal. When all the cards are on the table it can then be sorted out.

You want to hang this cop and coddle the criminal, natural I guess, given your liberal ideology.
2009-03-03 03:07:33
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

again I wanna know what she did that pushed him to that point.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, HE DOESN'T GET TO OVERREACT.

YOur lack of concern about it and for you to say that information does not matter is nothing short of a lack of respect for law enforcement everywhare.
I respect cops becuase I know of the shit they have to put up with.

You care more about how criminals are treated than how cops are treated. Nice
I care more about the Constitution being followed than how cops are treated.
1. I say as a society we do not ACT let alone over react in dealing with criminals. I think more beatdowns are in order for felons instead of cable tv and free college.

2. If you respect cops for what they have t oput up with, the ngive them the benefit of the doubt when they fuck up and show they are human like the rest of us.

3. I do as well, and the laws under the Constiution are not being enforced effectively. I  bet this girl never again assualts another police officer. Whatcha think? Although she will get her ACLU lawyer and sue and get her just rewards for doing nothing and being nothing, a liberal success story.
2009-03-03 03:19:34
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6918|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

again I wanna know what she did that pushed him to that point.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, HE DOESN'T GET TO OVERREACT.

YOur lack of concern about it and for you to say that information does not matter is nothing short of a lack of respect for law enforcement everywhare.
I respect cops becuase I know of the shit they have to put up with.

You care more about how criminals are treated than how cops are treated. Nice
I care more about the Constitution being followed than how cops are treated.
1. I say as a society we do not ACT let alone over react in dealing with criminals. I think more beatdowns are in order for felons instead of cable tv and free college.
Sometimes I wonder why you call yourself an American. Some of your ideologies do not fit in with civilized society - at all.

2. If you respect cops for what they have t oput up with, the ngive them the benefit of the doubt when they fuck up and show they are human like the rest of us.
But of course, the person who got her head bashed against a wall isn't a human at all. She doesn't get any benefit of the doubt and gets to be treated worse than an animal.

3. I do as well, and the laws under the Constiution are not being enforced effectively. I  bet this girl never again assualts another police officer. Whatcha think? Although she will get her ACLU lawyer and sue and get her just rewards for doing nothing and being nothing, a liberal success story.
I fail to see how the girl's crime merited this sort of punishment. I didn't see anything in the constitution about throwing shoes.

Lowing, seriously. A lot of your time your views get seriously misunderstood, but this time it's hard not to be disgusted.

---

And you know something? I would like to think I hold cops to a HIGHER standard of behaviour than anyone else. With power comes responsibility and expectation. If you have the ability to chuck someone in jail then in my opinion you should be held more accountable for your actions then the ordinary guy, for a huge number of blatantly obvious reasons. I don't want my security, and the security of those around me, being safeguarded by common thugs and wannabe hitmen. Because that's exactly how this guy acted - a common thug.

As for the girl, she committed a crime. And you know what? I don't expect criminals to behave in an exemplary manner. So some bitch (and yes she probably is) kicked a fucking shoe at the police officer, big fucking waa. Charge her with assault or something like that, deal with it the NORMAL FUCKING WAY and the CIVILIZED FUCKING WAY. (I note that nowhere in this thread have you actually given concrete examples of criminals getting little more than a slap on the wrist, but that's OK - I can think of many examples myself).

What I do NOT expect, from a guardian of the law and protector of the common citizen from criminals such as the aforementioned is to act in the same way as a common criminal. IF he can't take the stress then why is he a fucking cop? I'm sorry, but I don't want MY society policed by people who are bitter and will snap at the slightest provocation. That will just lead to unneccessary harm and - here's the worst part - a degrading of the police's integrity.

Last edited by Spark (2009-03-03 03:31:39)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2009-03-03 03:20:54
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6396|what

lowing wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

Spark wrote:

So...

Lowing is saying that we can't judge the cop because we don't know the full facts.

Clearly he hasn't let a similar proposition cloud his judgement of the girl.
oh snap! ya, we can only assume she was threatening to kill the officer.
Never said that, I said I default into giving the cops the benefit of the doubt over the criminal. When all the cards are on the table it can then be sorted out.

You want to hang this cop and coddle the criminal, natural I guess, given your liberal ideology.
What about personal responsibility? This cop was responsible for his actions and if guilty should be held to account for them.
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2009-03-03 04:23:14
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6349|eXtreme to the maX

Lowing wrote:

Never said that, I said I default into giving the cops the benefit of the doubt over the criminal. When all the cards are on the table it can then be sorted out.
Alleged criminal at that point.
Basically you'd like to see a Police state.

Spark wrote:

I didn't see anything in the constitution about throwing shoes.
Pretty sure there is stuff about right to a fair trial, punishment being decided by courts not vigilante Police officers.

Of course the Police have a tough job, doesn't give them any special rights.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-03-03 04:25:54)

Fuck Israel
2009-03-03 04:37:48
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

again I wanna know what she did that pushed him to that point.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, HE DOESN'T GET TO OVERREACT.

YOur lack of concern about it and for you to say that information does not matter is nothing short of a lack of respect for law enforcement everywhare.
I respect cops becuase I know of the shit they have to put up with.


I care more about the Constitution being followed than how cops are treated.
1. I say as a society we do not ACT let alone over react in dealing with criminals. I think more beatdowns are in order for felons instead of cable tv and free college.
Sometimes I wonder why you call yourself an American. Some of your ideologies do not fit in with civilized society - at all.

2. If you respect cops for what they have t oput up with, the ngive them the benefit of the doubt when they fuck up and show they are human like the rest of us.
But of course, the person who got her head bashed against a wall isn't a human at all. She doesn't get any benefit of the doubt and gets to be treated worse than an animal.

3. I do as well, and the laws under the Constiution are not being enforced effectively. I  bet this girl never again assualts another police officer. Whatcha think? Although she will get her ACLU lawyer and sue and get her just rewards for doing nothing and being nothing, a liberal success story.
I fail to see how the girl's crime merited this sort of punishment. I didn't see anything in the constitution about throwing shoes.

Lowing, seriously. A lot of your time your views get seriously misunderstood, but this time it's hard not to be disgusted.

---

And you know something? I would like to think I hold cops to a HIGHER standard of behaviour than anyone else. With power comes responsibility and expectation. If you have the ability to chuck someone in jail then in my opinion you should be held more accountable for your actions then the ordinary guy, for a huge number of blatantly obvious reasons. I don't want my security, and the security of those around me, being safeguarded by common thugs and wannabe hitmen. Because that's exactly how this guy acted - a common thug.

As for the girl, she committed a crime. And you know what? I don't expect criminals to behave in an exemplary manner. So some bitch (and yes she probably is) kicked a fucking shoe at the police officer, big fucking waa. Charge her with assault or something like that, deal with it the NORMAL FUCKING WAY and the CIVILIZED FUCKING WAY. (I note that nowhere in this thread have you actually given concrete examples of criminals getting little more than a slap on the wrist, but that's OK - I can think of many examples myself).

What I do NOT expect, from a guardian of the law and protector of the common citizen from criminals such as the aforementioned is to act in the same way as a common criminal. IF he can't take the stress then why is he a fucking cop? I'm sorry, but I don't want MY society policed by people who are bitter and will snap at the slightest provocation. That will just lead to unneccessary harm and - here's the worst part - a degrading of the police's integrity.
1. Why is that? Becasuse I have this crazy notion of punishing criminal behavior over, rehabilitating? TO me, getting tossed in jail and suffering should be all the rehabilitation one should require. Instead they find 3 squares a day, cable tv, libraries to pursue college, and a gym. In fact they have it better than some law abiding citizens. When you break the law in the form of a felony, you should lose your rights and prevlidges, not have the mre-enforced.


2. Nope they are human, but I have no problem treating people exactly the way they act.Especially in dealings with police. I have never been beat down during my run ins with the law. Give respect and you recieve it.

3. She didn't warrant this response based on the video. I want to know what propelled this incident before film was rolling.

Points well taken, however, you are using the same arguments that was used for Rodney King, and several others.
2009-03-03 04:43:24
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:


oh snap! ya, we can only assume she was threatening to kill the officer.
Never said that, I said I default into giving the cops the benefit of the doubt over the criminal. When all the cards are on the table it can then be sorted out.

You want to hang this cop and coddle the criminal, natural I guess, given your liberal ideology.
What about personal responsibility? This cop was responsible for his actions and if guilty should be held to account for them.
correct. No denying that, I am just not ready to get a rope start hanging cops for beating criminals when they have a beating coming. This girl, the piece of shit she is, may not have derserved what she got, but, I will sleep just fine tonight.
2009-03-03 04:53:02
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6396|what

lowing wrote:

correct. No denying that, I am just not ready to get a rope start hanging cops for beating criminals when they have a beating coming. This girl, the piece of shit she is, may not have derserved what she got, but, I will sleep just fine tonight.
What crime was she committing while inside a jail cell that warranted such a beating?
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2009-03-03 04:56:45
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Never said that, I said I default into giving the cops the benefit of the doubt over the criminal. When all the cards are on the table it can then be sorted out.
Alleged criminal at that point.
Basically you'd like to see a Police state.

Spark wrote:

I didn't see anything in the constitution about throwing shoes.
Pretty sure there is stuff about right to a fair trial, punishment being decided by courts not vigilante Police officers.

Of course the Police have a tough job, doesn't give them any special rights.
No I do not want a police state, I recognize the morality of the American public has taken a nose dive over the decades, more or less due the fact that we have allowed ourselves excuses for our actions, and even are now able to pawn responsabiltiy for our actions off on others, in the form of law suits. This makes it easy to be "victimized". Cops, having to deal with people and their supposed entitlement and free for all attitude with authority have an increasingly difficult job, and since the pressures of the job keep going up as we second guess their actions, still frame by still frame, and they remain just as human as the rest of us, it will be harder and harder to find perfect angels to perform the task, especially at the pay they are compensated, and the arm chair quarterbacking by those that could not be bothered to do it themselves.
2009-03-03 05:01:41
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

correct. No denying that, I am just not ready to get a rope start hanging cops for beating criminals when they have a beating coming. This girl, the piece of shit she is, may not have derserved what she got, but, I will sleep just fine tonight.
What crime was she committing while inside a jail cell that warranted such a beating?
Probably nothing, I am simply cutting cops some slack in their actions since dealing with pieces of shit like this one, is a tough job and they are human.

You want to criminalize the cops for not treating criminals with kid gloves. No thanks.
2009-03-03 05:03:37
PureFodder
Member
+225|6529

lowing wrote:

No I do not want a police state, I recognize the morality of the American public has taken a nose dive over the decades,
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2009-03-03 05:19:39
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

No I do not want a police state, I recognize the morality of the American public has taken a nose dive over the decades,
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/prop.gif
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.gif
morality and crimnal behavior are 2 different things.

Any chance you wanna pull up stats that cover morality, IE teen pregnancies, drug abuse, high school drop outs, etc....then compared to our entitlement attitudes, and our ability, legal and otherwise, to pawn off our personal responsiblity on others and see how we shape up as a society compared to the 50's or 40's
2009-03-03 05:30:46
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6892

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

correct. No denying that, I am just not ready to get a rope start hanging cops for beating criminals when they have a beating coming. This girl, the piece of shit she is, may not have derserved what she got, but, I will sleep just fine tonight.
What crime was she committing while inside a jail cell that warranted such a beating?
Probably nothing, I am simply cutting cops some slack in their actions since dealing with pieces of shit like this one, is a tough job and they are human.

You want to criminalize the cops for not treating criminals with kid gloves. No thanks.
She's a 15 year old girl FFS. Had she been a 30 year old male paedophile, I doubt people would be as pissed off, but she's still a young girl that didn't exactly commit a horrific crime. Had she stabbed him or his partner, I'd be willing to let it slide.
2009-03-03 06:30:04
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

ghettoperson wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


What crime was she committing while inside a jail cell that warranted such a beating?
Probably nothing, I am simply cutting cops some slack in their actions since dealing with pieces of shit like this one, is a tough job and they are human.

You want to criminalize the cops for not treating criminals with kid gloves. No thanks.
She's a 15 year old girl FFS. Had she been a 30 year old male paedophile, I doubt people would be as pissed off, but she's still a young girl that didn't exactly commit a horrific crime. Had she stabbed him or his partner, I'd be willing to let it slide.
She is a piece of shit, and was treated as such. and yes, people on here wold be screaming about the  rights for 30 year old male pedophiles, or is all of a sudden this innocent until proven guilty thing no longer apply?
2009-03-03 06:33:08
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7005

lowing wrote:

or is all of a sudden this innocent until proven guilty thing no longer apply?
ya its funny they apply that to the gitmo guys, but not to a cop.  thats par for the course on this forum.
2009-03-03 06:47:53
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6733|Gogledd Cymru

she was 15? hmm thats not right. but then again, i did beat up a 13 year old once.
2009-03-03 06:48:07
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6730|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
Well I can say one thing, that cop is a dumbass.  Why would you do it right in front of a camera?

 

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