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We’ve already commented about how the photographers rights in the UK were rapidly being eroded by aggressive cops, but things look set to take a turn for the worse with the introduction of section 76 of the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 today.

From today, you could be arrested for taking and publishing a photograph of someone who works for the police force, the intelligence services or the armed forces.

This is clearly deeply worrying news for both photojournalists covering political dissent, and for the protesters themselves who inevitably end up capturing photos of police officers while documenting street protests.

Indeed, the National Union of Journalists and the British Press Photographers’ Association have gone on record saying that the law would extend powers that are already being used to harass photographers and would threaten press freedom.


Terror legislation has increasingly been used by the government to criminalise and harass both protesters and photo-journalists - some of whom have played an important part in capturing heavy-handed or illegal police activity.

The law makes it an offence to elicit or attempt to elicit information about an individual who is or has been a member of the armed forces, intelligence services, or a police officer in Great Britain, and it also illegal to publish such information.

In other words, you could be arrested for taking and publishing a picture of a cop if the police decide that it is “likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.”

If charged, the onus would be on you to prove that you had a “reasonable excuse” to take the picture in the first place.

Anyone who has covered political protest in the past will know that it’s not unusual for the police to use the law (’obstruction’ is a favourite) to get protesters out of the way.

The gloriously fuzzy wording of the section 76 hands police officers powers to arbitrarily arrest photographers may be capturing scenes the police wouldn’t like to seen by others.

The new legislation adds to the equally vague section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000, which has already been used against photographers doing their job.

This morning, photographers and filmmakers - and the political activist and comedian Mark Thomas - gathered in their hundreds outside New Scotland Yard to exercise their democratic right to take a photograph in a public place. We suspect this won’t be the last protest.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01296/close-up_1296824i.jpg

"I like your weapon officer, its very big" lulz


I think this is a fuking joke. Its just taking away more and more freedoms. Terrorism this, terrorism that and before you know it, you'll have to think twice before using your rights.

I guess its true what Dame Stella Rimington said.

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mcminty
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Jesus christ. Thank god people aren't that anal here in Australia. Yet.
Flecco
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Ah good old Orwell.

He'd be turning in his grave if he knew just how many predictions he got right. We have 'the long war' being fought, the UK with massive CCTV use, anti-terrorism legislation has handed police in the English speaking western world unprecedented police powers. Language like rendition and collateral has entered the public conciousness.

Where are we going with this as a societal trend?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
BN
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What i dont understand:

The UK has been under terror attack for the last 25-30 years.

Why, only since Sep 11, do they need all these new laws to catch terrorists?

Where they not serious about catching the terrorists of the past years or are these laws an excuse to curb freedom?
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FEOS
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It's Bush's fault.

Even though it's in England.

And he's out of office.

Still his fault.
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BN
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FEOS wrote:

It's Bush's fault.

Even though it's in England.

And he's out of office.

Still his fault.
Lowing will blame Clinton and all liberals.
Turquoise
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Well, to be fair, this is Labour's fault, isn't it?
andy12
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mcminty wrote:

Jesus christ. Thank god people aren't that anal here in Australia. Yet.
Didn't you lose every purposeful internet site a few months ago?

Really, journalists are scum anyway.
Turquoise
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andy12 wrote:

mcminty wrote:

Jesus christ. Thank god people aren't that anal here in Australia. Yet.
Didn't you lose every purposeful internet site a few months ago?

Really, journalists are scum anyway.
...but the freedom of the press is rather important, no?
andy12
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Turquoise wrote:

andy12 wrote:

mcminty wrote:

Jesus christ. Thank god people aren't that anal here in Australia. Yet.
Didn't you lose every purposeful internet site a few months ago?

Really, journalists are scum anyway.
...but the freedom of the press is rather important, no?
Freedom to misconstrue facts, aid in the destroying of the economy, make up lies and sensationalism on a regular basis. I care as much for them as I do the freedoms of extremists wishing to preach in my local mosque.
Turquoise
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andy12 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

andy12 wrote:


Didn't you lose every purposeful internet site a few months ago?

Really, journalists are scum anyway.
...but the freedom of the press is rather important, no?
Freedom to misconstrue facts, aid in the destroying of the economy, make up lies and sensationalism on a regular basis. I care as much for them as I do the freedoms of extremists wishing to preach in my local mosque.
You and I agree on certain things, but this is definitely where we differ.

It sounds like you put a little too much trust in your government.
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A free press is the first thing to go in Dictatorships.
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andy12
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Turquoise wrote:

andy12 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


...but the freedom of the press is rather important, no?
Freedom to misconstrue facts, aid in the destroying of the economy, make up lies and sensationalism on a regular basis. I care as much for them as I do the freedoms of extremists wishing to preach in my local mosque.
You and I agree on certain things, but this is definitely where we differ.

It sounds like you put a little too much trust in your government.
I'll be the judge of that, actually living under this government. Not that the press is a Government controlled agency
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andy12 wrote:

Freedom to misconstrue facts, aid in the destroying of the economy, make up lies and sensationalism on a regular basis. I care as much for them as I do the freedoms of extremists wishing to preach in my local mosque.
God that sounds stupid. Maybe it's just your press that is like that.

And no, we haven't lost all our "purposeful" internet sites. If you really care: http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/
Turquoise
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andy12 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

andy12 wrote:


Freedom to misconstrue facts, aid in the destroying of the economy, make up lies and sensationalism on a regular basis. I care as much for them as I do the freedoms of extremists wishing to preach in my local mosque.
You and I agree on certain things, but this is definitely where we differ.

It sounds like you put a little too much trust in your government.
I'll be the judge of that, actually living under this government. Not that the press is a Government controlled agency
I know what you're saying, but...  I don't know...  I really don't think I'll ever understand why Europeans and so much of the rest of the world is willing to deal with such big government.

In America, we obviously have a big government, but thankfully, it's mostly pointed outward rather than inward.  We're more likely to manipulate the people of other countries than our own, and while that might not be the most ethical thing to do, it at least makes life within the country a little less disturbing than something like this media policy would be.

You do make a good point about your media though.  It definitely is more government connected than ours.  Perhaps, that might be the origin of the problem.

The more privatized the media is, the freer it generally is.
BN
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mcminty wrote:

Jesus christ. Thank god people aren't that anal here in Australia. Yet.
Have you seen our sedition laws?

They are tyrannical.


it is now specifically illegal to [urge] a person to assist the enemy:

    (a) the person urges another person to engage in conduct; and
    (b) the first-mentioned person intends the conduct to assist, by any means whatever, an organisation or country; and
    (c) the organisation or country is:

        (i) at war with the Commonwealth, whether or not the existence of a state of war has been declared; and
        (ii) specified by Proclamation made for the purpose of paragraph 80.1(1)(e) to be an enemy at war with the Commonwealth.
andy12
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mcminty wrote:

andy12 wrote:

Freedom to misconstrue facts, aid in the destroying of the economy, make up lies and sensationalism on a regular basis. I care as much for them as I do the freedoms of extremists wishing to preach in my local mosque.
God that sounds stupid. Maybe it's just your press that is like that.

And no, we haven't lost all our "purposeful" internet sites. If you really care: http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/
Some of it is yes, as I'm sure yours is. Unless Australia in in possession of the fairest and least bias press ever to grace the world but isn't telling anyone... Really, you can't see the bollocks in your press?

And that was a joke since I'm aware Australia banned porn sites not to long ago, which is amusing...
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AussieReaper wrote:

A free press is the first thing to go in Dictatorships.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123431418276770899.html
&
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/pelosi-su … -doctrine/

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Turquoise
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

A free press is the first thing to go in Dictatorships.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123431418276770899.html
&
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/pelosi-su … -doctrine/
Well, Bush wasn't exactly the most open with the press either.

Still, that's nothing compared to the law in this OP.
mcminty
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andy12 wrote:

mcminty wrote:

andy12 wrote:

Freedom to misconstrue facts, aid in the destroying of the economy, make up lies and sensationalism on a regular basis. I care as much for them as I do the freedoms of extremists wishing to preach in my local mosque.
God that sounds stupid. Maybe it's just your press that is like that.

And no, we haven't lost all our "purposeful" internet sites. If you really care: http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/
Some of it is yes, as I'm sure yours is. Unless Australia in in possession of the fairest and least bias press ever to grace the world but isn't telling anyone... Really, you can't see the bollocks in your press?

And that was a joke since I'm aware Australia banned porn sites not to long ago, which is amusing...
lolwut

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andy12
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Turquoise wrote:

andy12 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


You and I agree on certain things, but this is definitely where we differ.

It sounds like you put a little too much trust in your government.
I'll be the judge of that, actually living under this government. Not that the press is a Government controlled agency
I know what you're saying, but...  I don't know...  I really don't think I'll ever understand why Europeans and so much of the rest of the world is willing to deal with such big government.

In America, we obviously have a big government, but thankfully, it's mostly pointed outward rather than inward.  We're more likely to manipulate the people of other countries than our own, and while that might not be the most ethical thing to do, it at least makes life within the country a little less disturbing than something like this media policy would be.

You do make a good point about your media though.  It definitely is more government connected than ours.  Perhaps, that might be the origin of the problem.

The more privatized the media is, the freer it generally is.
It's complicated, and if we're honest you can't really include the UK in European generalisations. We're the maverick of the EU, which is what comes when weaker countries want to enforce their own currency on you as well as take your carriers and military aid for free

I think every Government does have a certain amount of propaganda they use on their own people for their own interests. America is hardly the individualistic, open minded country when you can either vote for a Black guy that can gather millions of votes by spouting "what we need is change" (well no shit) or an old man that will die within 2009. Otherwise your vote serves as much purpose as frightening the Sheeple of the west into stopping spending and convincing them a recession is coming. Adding to the problem.
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Turquoise wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

A free press is the first thing to go in Dictatorships.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123431418276770899.html
&
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/pelosi-su … -doctrine/
Well, Bush wasn't exactly the most open with the press either.

Still, that's nothing compared to the law in this OP.
Wha?  I remember locked doors in China when he was trying to leave.. .
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I think we all have to realize that we aren't people from the UK or the US or Denmark... we are all the little people that are being fed what the people at the top think is good for us... 
  The Democrats(in the US) right now are trying to enact the fairness doctrine to basically remove conservative talk radio off the air...
unless the station has an opposing view show of the same length each day... Radio stations will fold because they cant afford to carry a liberal show nobody listens to...
... Nobody listened to Air America(liberal shows) and i can't help that....  They are trying to squash free speech....
http://www.heritage.org/research/regulation/em368.cfm
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