Intelligent US Policy?

2009-02-17 01:13:53

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CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6858

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7893907.stm

The new US administration has welcomed Venezuela's vote to scrap term limits on the Presidency. I believe this is intelligent in that it is disarming. It is a bit hard to cry 'evil America' when public pronouncements of this nature are made by the administration. I believe it rolls back on years of false and hollow 'Democracy Promotion' hypocrisy too. It could of course simply be a ruse, an empty gesture while the CIA machinate in the background. But personally I think that it is important that the democratic will of the people of the nation of Venezuela be respected. The poll was declared free and fair by all international observers (of which there were many), just like the referendum poll not so long ago that Chavez lost. The election result should send a clear message to the right wing in Venezuela - that they need to reach out to the disaffected and impoverished people upon whose backs they made and make their fortunes. If they don't then goodness knows where Venezuela will end up (although so long as democracy persists it will be a Venzueula of their own making - for good or for bad).

2009-02-17 01:15:18

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

Why is Venezuelan democracy even an issue for the US?
They only gripe when their plant loses.

Fuck Israel

2009-02-17 01:26:13

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JahManRed: wank; +646|6931|IRELAND

Dilbert_X wrote:
Why is Venezuelan democracy even an issue for the US?
They only gripe when their plant loses.

I advise getting the documentary "Red Oil". Might be on 4OD.

2009-02-17 02:01:25

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Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7019

Obama is going to lay down to the whole world... should be fun...lol

oh yeah... and Chavez will be gone before 2012... maybe 2009?

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2009-02-17 02:03:37)

Love is the answer

2009-02-17 03:00:11

#5

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7113|Nårvei

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
Obama is going to lay down to the whole world... should be fun...lol

oh yeah... and Chavez will be gone before 2012... maybe 2009?

Lay down? ... not being an ignorant prick like the previous administration is to lay down ? ... talking to people have the most amazing effects on relations in the long term, can open such fantastic options as trade, mutual recognition and positive image towards other countries ... you call it to lay down, I call it progress

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2009-02-17 03:18:30

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Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6525|Brisneyland

Good article.

Here is another example of the Obama govt doing something good

The Australian wrote:
THE Obama administration will engage in serious "game changing" policy on nuclear weapon reduction, says former Labor foreign minister Gareth Evans, who spoke to US Vice-President Joe Biden at the weekend.....

White House officials have confirmed the administration was looking at opening talks with Russia over significant nuclear weapons reduction before the expiration this year of the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty between the countries.

Tell me this isnt progress. A couple of months ago Russia was rattling the sabre, now there are talks of disarmament. Succeeding where Bush utterly failed.

2009-02-17 03:34:15

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

BBC wrote:
State Department spokesman Noel Clay praised "the civic spirit" of the referendum on Sunday.

But he said it was important that elected officials in Venezuela focused "on governing democratically".

That is the key.

Democracy is great...you get what you ask for. But you know the old saying about that...

Burwhale wrote:
Tell me this isnt progress. A couple of months ago Russia was rattling the sabre, now there are talks of disarmament. Succeeding where Bush utterly failed.

I'll agree that there's progress when Russia says (and does) the same thing. If only one side does something in a multi-sided arrangement, it isn't necessarily overall progress.

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2009-02-17 03:38:34

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Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7113|Nårvei

FEOS wrote:
BBC wrote:
State Department spokesman Noel Clay praised "the civic spirit" of the referendum on Sunday.

But he said it was important that elected officials in Venezuela focused "on governing democratically".
That is the key.

Democracy is great...you get what you ask for. But you know the old saying about that...

Burwhale wrote:
Tell me this isnt progress. A couple of months ago Russia was rattling the sabre, now there are talks of disarmament. Succeeding where Bush utterly failed.
I'll agree that there's progress when Russia says (and does) the same thing. If only one side does something in a multi-sided arrangement, it isn't necessarily overall progress.

Russia is adaptable and would go along with whatever cuts in their arsenal they can agree with the US, it's not like Russia has billions to spare either, all they demand is to be treated as an equal partner on a global scale ...

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2009-02-17 03:43:24

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6456|what

Varegg wrote:
Russia is adaptable and would go along with whatever cuts in their arsenal they can agree with the US, it's not like Russia has billions to spare either, all they demand is to be treated as an equal partner on a global scale ...

Well the invasion of Georgia was supposedly double standards to them, when the US complained they said look at Iraq, Afghanistan, et al.

It's quite a change in policy for them. Maybe now they have the pipeline secured they can go back to civil talks. It is progress though, thanks in part to the new US foreign policy standards.

2009-02-17 04:42:39

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CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6858

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
Obama is going to lay down to the whole world... should be fun...lol

Yeah - showing respect to and emphasising the importance of the democratic process is really bending over and taking one... what an abandonment of American principles....

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2009-02-17 04:54:37

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6456|what

Do you think some of those scary unconditional talks will take place? Imagine that, open dialogue without already having set terms of actions.

How in the world do you set conditions before agreeing to talk about them?

2009-02-17 05:58:29

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Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6924|London, England

It's smart because 'ugo wants to get elected next time around and one of his major campaign points is probably "amerika h8s us, and we need me to sort them out" but if the US are like "good for you" then his chances of re-election just went down abit, imo.

Of course you could also see it as Obama destroying the USA and one day we'll all be speaking Spanish Venezelualian

2009-02-17 06:32:59

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Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6748|The Land of Scott Walker

I just had a revelation ...

We have "intelligent" policy in the US when our Euro friends agree with what we're doing. Otherwise, we are stupid morons, yes?

2009-02-17 06:33:56

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6456|what

Stingray24 wrote:
I just had a revelation ...

We have "intelligent" policy in the US when our Euro friends agree with what we're doing. Otherwise, we are stupid morons, yes?

It's not just the Euro's who now agree with what you're doing.

2009-02-17 06:36:07

#15

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7113|Nårvei

Stingray24 wrote:
I just had a revelation ...

We have "intelligent" policy in the US when our Euro friends agree with what we're doing. Otherwise, we are stupid morons, yes?

We also don't agree with the bailout or stimulus plan so there

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2009-02-17 06:37:21

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7065

AussieReaper wrote:
Stingray24 wrote:
I just had a revelation ...

We have "intelligent" policy in the US when our Euro friends agree with what we're doing. Otherwise, we are stupid morons, yes?
It's not just the Euro's who now agree with what you're doing.

what makes you think we care?

2009-02-17 06:38:28

#17

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6748|The Land of Scott Walker

AussieReaper wrote:
Stingray24 wrote:
I just had a revelation ...

We have "intelligent" policy in the US when our Euro friends agree with what we're doing. Otherwise, we are stupid morons, yes?
It's not just the Euro's who now agree with what you're doing.

Oops, sorry, forgot our Aussie friends.

2009-02-17 06:39:10

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6456|what

usmarine wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Stingray24 wrote:
I just had a revelation ...

We have "intelligent" policy in the US when our Euro friends agree with what we're doing. Otherwise, we are stupid morons, yes?
It's not just the Euro's who now agree with what you're doing.
what makes you think we care?

69,456,897 US voters seemed to.

2009-02-17 06:41:16

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7065

AussieReaper wrote:
usmarine wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:

It's not just the Euro's who now agree with what you're doing.
what makes you think we care?
69,456,897 US voters seemed to.

ya that was their concern. you nailed it. rofl

2009-02-17 06:42:31

#20

andy12: Banned; +52|6960

Stingray24 wrote:
I just had a revelation ...

We have "intelligent" policy in the US when our Euro friends agree with what we're doing. Otherwise, we are stupid morons, yes?

For thinking that it's just a few Euro's that agree with the new policies, yes.

2009-02-17 06:45:21

#21

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6954|USA

AussieReaper wrote:
usmarine wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:

It's not just the Euro's who now agree with what you're doing.
what makes you think we care?
69,456,897 US voters seemed to.

Yup the same voters that care more about Oprah and American Idol than they do their own lives or govt.

2009-02-17 06:45:33

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6456|what

usmarine wrote:
ya that was their concern. you nailed it. rofl

One of. You do agree that a negative global image did affect a number of voters?

And try not to deal with absolutes when nobody else here does.

2009-02-17 06:47:02

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7065

AussieReaper wrote:
. You do agree that a negative global image did affect a number of voters?

not one single person i know has ever mentioned that...or even gives a fuck about it.

2009-02-17 06:47:03

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Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7113|Nårvei

lowing wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
usmarine wrote:

what makes you think we care?
69,456,897 US voters seemed to.
Yup the same voters that care more about Oprah and American Idol than they do their own lives or govt.

What study shows this?

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2009-02-17 06:48:03

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6456|what

usmarine wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
. You do agree that a negative global image did affect a number of voters?
not one single person i know has ever mentioned that...or even gives a fuck about it.

Then that's just arrogance.

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