Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6486|Ireland
1.  Recall all troops overseas.

2.  Buy up 2 mile wide area along US/Mexico border and Create a Military base on that land.
Have military secure said base.  Also build new federal prisons on this land specifically to
house prisoners that have drug offenses. Deport all illegals in prison system to country of origin,
except those awaiting execution.

3.  Enforce federal immigration laws, cut federal funding to sancuary cities, and make English
the Official US language.

4.  Create federal school voucher system of ~ $5K per child and a ~$1K per child fed. tax deduction
for education.

5.  Pull out of Nafta and put a 5% tarriff on all foriegn goods coming into country.

6.  Start federal tax rebate program for people that make major purchases on goods manufactured
in the US that are green. ie Solar Panels, Hybrid Cars, Wind Generators.....

7.  Start federal committee to fund US infrastructure building program projects.  ie build/replace
roads and bridges

8.  Start federal committee to fund US technology development in clean Energy and Weapons development.

9.  Stiffen laws to keep US technology protected in the US.

10. Cut US military budget by 50%, Primary funding going to Navy and Airforce. Downsize US Army and Marines
to create smaller more specialized forces for specific missions. Subtily put the world on notice that the
days of US nation building or occupation are over and the era of carpet bombing threats has begun.

11.  Cut foriegn aide to ALL countries.

12.  Create Non-Profit Government ran Federal Banks to give out Home,Car, and buisness loans at discount rates to compete with private sector.
Put in strict regulations on loans and use interest collected on loans to finance the Federal debt.  Use Federal banks
to regain control of US dollar and speed up or slow down the economy with interest rates.

13.  Create tougher Federal drug and violent crime laws to clean up crime.  Create laws that allow schools to
get rid of troublemakers and have better security with law enforcement on property.

14.  Cut Welfare spending and tax deductions based on Race, Religion, Sex, or # of children. Stop paying indians for
being indians. Let people know that the government will no longer reward stupidity and be your safety net.  If you
are 15 and pregnant, kiss your parent's ass and hope them or the church will help your stupid ass because you will be
in prison for child neglect if you try to keep the kid and can't afford it.

15. Fund education through 14 grades, no more HS education is good enough. After HS you get 2 years to get your
Associates or trade school degree.  Invest greatly in education and teach real economics early in school as a
requirement.  The same as you would history or alegebra.

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This will never happen if Dems and Repubs stay in power.

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2009-02-12 10:42:27)

FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6803|so randum
i actually like that.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6486|Ireland
Major_Spittle is a smart man.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6952

I like it. Shame it'll never happen.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6297|Truthistan
number 12 is a gem and its exactly what we need right now.

alot of the rest sounds like neonazi hate literature/1900 eugenics movement and its really xenophobic. If stuff like this were to happen, the Chinese would take over the world and one day the chinese would sail into the US with a super starship destroyer and take us over, just like the Brits did to the chinese during the first opium war. Pulling an ostrich will do more harm than good.

#2 is apporpriately numbered, I suppose the 2 mile wide border would be necessry to keep good Americans from fleeing just like East Germany had the Berlin wall
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Don't we have number 6 in place?

I'm all for 11 though.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6952

Kmarion wrote:

Don't we have number 6 in place?
I assumed he meant to a greater extent.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6859

Kmarion wrote:

Don't we have number 6 in place?

I'm all for 11 though.
Yay! So are we!

"The Government has taken the difficult decision to reduce the total budget provided for Ireland's Overseas Development Assistance in 2009 from €891million to €796 million."
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York
I'm liking number 8 and 10. Sounds good to me.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6952

Poseidon wrote:

I'm liking number 8 and 10. Sounds good to me.
But you want to give more money to the J00's.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6904|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Don't we have number 6 in place?

I'm all for 11 though.
Yay! So are we!

"The Government has taken the difficult decision to reduce the total budget provided for Ireland's Overseas Development Assistance in 2009 from €891million to €796 million."
I almost lost my mind after this: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p2198789

A few weeks later we start getting stats talking about how much HIV has increased at home.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6771
Allot of it is actually really good
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

Lotta_Drool wrote:

1.  Recall all troops overseas.
Works for me.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

2.  Buy up 2 mile wide area along US/Mexico border and Create a Military base on that land.
Have military secure said base.  Also build new federal prisons on this land specifically to
house prisoners that have drug offenses. Deport all illegals in prison system to country of origin,
except those awaiting execution.
I would rather put a really large minefield along the border.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

3.  Enforce federal immigration laws, cut federal funding to sancuary cities, and make English
the Official US language.
I like the first 2 parts, but the 3rd one isn't necessary or practical.  No matter what we do, Spanish will likely become our 2nd "official" language.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

4.  Create federal school voucher system of ~ $5K per child and a ~$1K per child fed. tax deduction
for education.
Maybe in the future this would be a good idea, but while the economy is down, that's probably not a good idea.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

5.  Pull out of Nafta and put a 5% tarriff on all foriegn goods coming into country.
Pulling out of NAFTA is fine with me, but slapping tariffs on all foreign goods is not.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

6.  Start federal tax rebate program for people that make major purchases on goods manufactured
in the US that are green. ie Solar Panels, Hybrid Cars, Wind Generators.....
Works for me.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

7.  Start federal committee to fund US infrastructure building program projects.  ie build/replace
roads and bridges
This is already part of the stimulus bill.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

8.  Start federal committee to fund US technology development in clean Energy and Weapons development.
Maybe, although just creating tax breaks for alternative energy and ending tax breaks for the oil industry would probably be enough by itself.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

9.  Stiffen laws to keep US technology protected in the US.
This is a hard one to enforce without the help of foreign governments.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

10. Cut US military budget by 50%, Primary funding going to Navy and Airforce. Downsize US Army and Marines
to create smaller more specialized forces for specific missions. Subtily put the world on notice that the
days of US nation building or occupation are over and the era of carpet bombing threats has begun.

11.  Cut foriegn aide to ALL countries.
Works for me.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

12.  Create Non-Profit Government ran Federal Banks to give out Home,Car, and buisness loans at discount rates to compete with private sector.
Put in strict regulations on loans and use interest collected on loans to finance the Federal debt.  Use Federal banks
to regain control of US dollar and speed up or slow down the economy with interest rates.
I'd rather end all the bailouts and let the market clear itself.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

13.  Create tougher Federal drug and violent crime laws to clean up crime.  Create laws that allow schools to
get rid of troublemakers and have better security with law enforcement on property.
I've got a better idea.  Legalize pot, and end mandatory drug sentencing.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

14.  Cut Welfare spending and tax deductions based on Race, Religion, Sex, or # of children. Stop paying indians for
being indians. Let people know that the government will no longer reward stupidity and be your safety net.  If you
are 15 and pregnant, kiss your parent's ass and hope them or the church will help your stupid ass because you will be
in prison for child neglect if you try to keep the kid and can't afford it.
I agree with ending the tax deductions, but we're basically going to have to increase welfare spending right now due to rising unemployment.  There's no way to really get around that.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

15. Fund education through 14 grades, no more HS education is good enough. After HS you get 2 years to get your
Associates or trade school degree.  Invest greatly in education and teach real economics early in school as a
requirement.  The same as you would history or alegebra.
Works for me....  although that kind of contradicts your voucher idea.

Last edited by Turquoise (2009-02-12 15:06:24)

Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6486|Ireland

ghettoperson wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Don't we have number 6 in place?
I assumed he meant to a greater extent.
Yep, to create jobs and rebuild our electric grid more localized.  Also cuts down on smog and terrorism by using less gas and oil.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,060|7075|PNW

That's a level of isolatioinism/protectionism tnat isn't going to appen, even under a third party or a reborn R or D party. Our economy is too closely-tied to the foreign market, and there are too many overseas threats (real or perceived) to justify withdrawing all troops. Besides which, turtling works better in video games.

Start federal committee to fund US technology development in clean Energy and Weapons development.
Hybrid tanks...killing the enemy while saving the planet.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2009-02-12 15:31:20)

AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6501
No interventionism, securing the borders and personal responsability.

Looks pretty much like what Ron Paul is figthing for.

You should have voted for him.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6486|Ireland

Turquoise wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

4.  Create federal school voucher system of ~ $5K per child and a ~$1K per child fed. tax deduction
for education.
Maybe in the future this would be a good idea, but while the economy is down, that's probably not a good idea.


Lotta_Drool wrote:

12.  Create Non-Profit Government ran Federal Banks to give out Home,Car, and buisness loans at discount rates to compete with private sector.
Put in strict regulations on loans and use interest collected on loans to finance the Federal debt.  Use Federal banks
to regain control of US dollar and speed up or slow down the economy with interest rates.
I'd rather end all the bailouts and let the market clear itself.


Lotta_Drool wrote:

15. Fund education through 14 grades, no more HS education is good enough. After HS you get 2 years to get your
Associates or trade school degree.  Invest greatly in education and teach real economics early in school as a
requirement.  The same as you would history or alegebra.
Works for me....  although that kind of contradicts your voucher idea.
#4 - It would create jobs because if I want to send my child to a private school I would have $6K in federal money a year to spend on it.  Also that $6K would be available for my kid to go to college/trade school for first 2 years.

#12  I know I wasn't clear, but I am talking about ending the bailout and basically creating a new branch of government "banking" to compete with the Central banks (private industry) that hold the lean to the US debt and are so wealthy and powerful that they control world governments (including ours).  The federal reserve system is too corrupt, look at who is on the board.  These people control the world and our government.  The US needs an independant branch that can do what it wants with interest rates it charges on loans backed by the US treasury.  This will stop the whole sale rape of you government and society by the banking industry.

#15  There is no contradiction.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

Lotta_Drool wrote:

#4 - It would create jobs because if I want to send my child to a private school I would have $6K in federal money a year to spend on it.  Also that $6K would be available for my kid to go to college/trade school for first 2 years.
Your argument is stronger for college, but for pre-collegiate education, public schooling is more cost-effective.

It would take a lot of time to properly develop enough private schools for the pre-collegiate market in order to serve the number of people interested in it.  A transitional program would need to be instituted to start this process, and while your idea is interesting, I'm not sure if it would work properly in terms of finances.

Also, consider how many people are making less than they did last year as a result of inflation or losing their jobs.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

#12  I know I wasn't clear, but I am talking about ending the bailout and basically creating a new branch of government "banking" to compete with the Central banks (private industry) that hold the lean to the US debt and are so wealthy and powerful that they control world governments (including ours).  The federal reserve system is too corrupt, look at who is on the board.  These people control the world and our government.  The US needs an independant branch that can do what it wants with interest rates it charges on loans backed by the US treasury.  This will stop the whole sale rape of you government and society by the banking industry.
I would argue what made the Federal Reserve system corrupt was the power it granted to private industry via the government.

Had a Federal Reserve system never been created, then this banking crisis would be much more manageable, because the market would simply clear itself without any governmental hindrances or corrupting quasi-governmental powers (like having the ability to set base interest rates).  In short, the market itself should be the only thing determining interest rates, not the government, and not any quasi-governmental institutions like the Fed Reserve.
mikkel
Member
+383|6904

Lotta_Drool wrote:

1.  Recall all troops overseas.
Except where stationed in NATO countries and on UN peacekeeping missions, I agree.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

2.  Buy up 2 mile wide area along US/Mexico border and Create a Military base on that land.
Have military secure said base.  Also build new federal prisons on this land specifically to
house prisoners that have drug offenses. Deport all illegals in prison system to country of origin,
except those awaiting execution.
Agree to a certain degree. Crack down on gang activities in prisons, rather than segregating by specific crimes. Deportation of all illegal immigrants sounds good to me.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

3.  Enforce federal immigration laws, cut federal funding to sancuary cities, and make English
the Official US language.
Agreed on all points

Lotta_Drool wrote:

4.  Create federal school voucher system of ~ $5K per child and a ~$1K per child fed. tax deduction
for education.
I think it's a bit more tricky than that, but the general idea is good.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

5.  Pull out of Nafta and put a 5% tarriff on all foriegn goods coming into country.
Putting a 5% tarriff on foreign goods is not something I can agree with. Being anti-competitive to that degree in a global economy is stupid.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

6.  Start federal tax rebate program for people that make major purchases on goods manufactured
in the US that are green. ie Solar Panels, Hybrid Cars, Wind Generators.....
Isn't that already in place?

Lotta_Drool wrote:

7.  Start federal committee to fund US infrastructure building program projects.  ie build/replace
roads and bridges
As Turquoise said.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

8.  Start federal committee to fund US technology development in clean Energy and Weapons development.
The more the merrier.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

9.  Stiffen laws to keep US technology protected in the US.
But to what degree?

Lotta_Drool wrote:

10. Cut US military budget by 50%, Primary funding going to Navy and Airforce. Downsize US Army and Marines
to create smaller more specialized forces for specific missions. Subtily put the world on notice that the
days of US nation building or occupation are over and the era of carpet bombing threats has begun.
Does that also mean the end of interventionism, or just that intervention should now mean bombing places and letting them sort themselves out?

Lotta_Drool wrote:

11.  Cut foriegn aide to ALL countries.
Not unless you want the US to pull out of the UN, and in general want a large, large rift between the rich and the poor countries. Not the way to go in my opinion.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

12.  Create Non-Profit Government ran Federal Banks to give out Home,Car, and buisness loans at discount rates to compete with private sector.
Put in strict regulations on loans and use interest collected on loans to finance the Federal debt.  Use Federal banks
to regain control of US dollar and speed up or slow down the economy with interest rates.
In Soviet Russia, bank loans from YOU.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

13.  Create tougher Federal drug and violent crime laws to clean up crime.  Create laws that allow schools to
get rid of troublemakers and have better security with law enforcement on property.
Agree to some degree. Only if it acts as a real deterrent and lowers the strain on the prison system should it happen.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

14.  Cut Welfare spending and tax deductions based on Race, Religion, Sex, or # of children. Stop paying indians for
being indians. Let people know that the government will no longer reward stupidity and be your safety net.  If you
are 15 and pregnant, kiss your parent's ass and hope them or the church will help your stupid ass because you will be
in prison for child neglect if you try to keep the kid and can't afford it.
Agreed on all but cutting welfare and tax deductions based on the number of children in a household. Tax deductions and additional welfare should be available for the first three children in the household, including any additional children from multiple birth. Anything more than this represents a personal desire that tax payers should not be forced to subsidise.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

15. Fund education through 14 grades, no more HS education is good enough. After HS you get 2 years to get your
Associates or trade school degree.  Invest greatly in education and teach real economics early in school as a
requirement.  The same as you would history or alegebra.
Pass on this. Some people just aren't academically suited. There's never going to be a world full of people with associates degrees, and far from all jobs require the skillset obtained from such a degree. No point in trying to force it through.

Last edited by mikkel (2009-02-12 16:09:05)

Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6486|Ireland

Turquoise wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

#4 - It would create jobs because if I want to send my child to a private school I would have $6K in federal money a year to spend on it.  Also that $6K would be available for my kid to go to college/trade school for first 2 years.
Your argument is stronger for college, but for pre-collegiate education, public schooling is more cost-effective.

It would take a lot of time to properly develop enough private schools for the pre-collegiate market in order to serve the number of people interested in it.  A transitional program would need to be instituted to start this process, and while your idea is interesting, I'm not sure if it would work properly in terms of finances.

Also, consider how many people are making less than they did last year as a result of inflation or losing their jobs.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

#12  I know I wasn't clear, but I am talking about ending the bailout and basically creating a new branch of government "banking" to compete with the Central banks (private industry) that hold the lean to the US debt and are so wealthy and powerful that they control world governments (including ours).  The federal reserve system is too corrupt, look at who is on the board.  These people control the world and our government.  The US needs an independant branch that can do what it wants with interest rates it charges on loans backed by the US treasury.  This will stop the whole sale rape of you government and society by the banking industry.
I would argue what made the Federal Reserve system corrupt was the power it granted to private industry via the government.

Had a Federal Reserve system never been created, then this banking crisis would be much more manageable, because the market would simply clear itself without any governmental hindrances or corrupting quasi-governmental powers (like having the ability to set base interest rates).  In short, the market itself should be the only thing determining interest rates, not the government, and not any quasi-governmental institutions like the Fed Reserve.
#4 The vouchers system being enacted would be the transition to more private schools.  I am not saying to get rid of the public school system, just that if your child is not in the public school system you get a $5K voucher to spend towards the childs education.  My kids go to a charter school and get a better education from a school with a little over half the per child funding of a public school.

#12  Allowing private citizens from other countries to control the US economy and treasury notes is a bad idea.  The private banking system is a bad Idea. 

The US government should primarily be funded by interest payment.  New money (the creation of new wealth backing US dollars) should be controlled by the US government.  The only thing backing the US dollar right now is Loan Papers that people have signed for the banks and those aren't being honored by people and this is crashing the US dollar/monetary system.  THE US MUST have control of this so it can regulate who and why they are pumping more dollars into the US economy and what backs it and the interest earned on the US treasury backing that loan should go to the US tax payers government and not the central banks.  I pay $1500/month in interest payment only, it should go to my government and not filter back up to the central bank because ultimately the US government will have to back my loans if I default on it because they have to print the money or the economy collapses.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command

Code:

shouts
I agree with all your points.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6821|Montucky
I agree with all but 10, The Army, Navy and Army need to have an audit and need to down sized.  The Marine Corps is fine, just need better equipment.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7009
I don't agree will all of your point, but I like your idea more than anyone else's I've read so far.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6952

S3v3N wrote:

I agree with all but 10, The Army, Navy and Army need to have an audit and need to down sized.  The Marine Corps is fine, just need better equipment.
I'm sure people in all the other services would try to make the same argument for themselves.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6884|the dank(super) side of Oregon
federal income tax should be eliminated and replaced with sales tax.  we're a consumer economy, tax what's consumed.

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