Schumer: Most American don't really care about pork.

2009-02-10 18:09:47

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Warhammer: Member; +18|5984

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfICUoW … r_embedded

Probably right, then again most Americans wouldn't care if you went to jail either.

Americans who pay attention to politics and/or are responsible do care. If you are doing something wrong to begin with, you shouldn't be doing it even if people don't realize the consequences in paying for it. This guy along with others are still in office from the people of their state, so you may be right Schumer that people don't care. YOU CLUCKING ASSHOLE!!!

2009-02-10 18:11:33

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KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,983|6935|949

Americans by and large do care about pork - when said pork is being spent in their region!

2009-02-10 18:14:26

#3

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7019

Schumer is a retard... I guess he's saying... The people are stupid and we can do anything we want in Congress...
as they say in the senate... the most dangerous place in the senate is between Chuck Schumer and a Camera...lol

Love is the answer

2009-02-10 18:15:18

#4

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

Yep, that sounds like the Chuck Schumer I've grown up with.

2009-02-10 18:42:39

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7065

well ofc people dont care about pork. most people didnt even read the bill at all. they believe what the messiah says and go about their lives.

2009-02-10 19:17:05

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|6005|College Park, MD

usmarine wrote:
well ofc people dont care about pork. most people didnt even read the bill at all. they believe what the messiah says and go about their lives.

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2009-02-11 03:05:19

#7

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Americans by and large do care about pork - when said pork is being spent in their region on their sandwich with lettuce, tomato, and mayo!

@ the OP:

Most people care about the pork...once they find out about it. It's the finding out that's a bitch, since that's usually well after the law has passed.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-11 07:11:53

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ATG: Banned; +5,233|6832|Global Command

He is the biggest stain in the senate.

He helped cover up the lies in Waco and will be sucking Satans knob in hell.

2009-02-11 13:28:03

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|6005|College Park, MD

FEOS wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Americans by and large do care about pork - when said pork is being spent in their region on their sandwich with lettuce, tomato, and mayo!
@ the OP:

Most people care about the pork...once they find out about it. It's the finding out that's a bitch, since that's usually well after the law has passed.

lol yeah they sure care which is why they keep electing these asshats

2009-02-11 15:21:48

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Americans by and large do care about pork - when said pork is being spent in their region!

Pretty much... we reward politicians for funding state programs with federal money.

Schumer basically has a career based on that.

2009-02-11 21:23:13

#11

Warhammer: Member; +18|5984

Turquoise wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Americans by and large do care about pork - when said pork is being spent in their region!
Pretty much... we reward politicians for funding state programs with federal money.

Schumer basically has a career based on that.

Yes, doing corruption with the backing of liberals in that state.

2009-02-11 22:13:16

#12

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6904|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:
Most people care about the pork...once they find out about it. It's the finding out that's a bitch, since that's usually well after the law has passed.

ding ding we have a weiner!

The problem is that pork is a political tool that is manipulative and deceptive. McCain fell victim to this as his opponents tried to label the Vietnam Veteran/POW as someone who doesn't support troops. So McCain ether votes against veterans or votes for raising taxes and spending on other projects. Complete and utter crap .. although very effective since most people are unwilling to look at voting records beyond a kindergarten level.

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2009-02-12 19:56:19

#13

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

Warhammer wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Americans by and large do care about pork - when said pork is being spent in their region!
Pretty much... we reward politicians for funding state programs with federal money.

Schumer basically has a career based on that.
Yes, doing corruption with the backing of liberals in that state.

Pretty much... although there are conservative equivalents.

Alaska is basically the pork capital of the U.S. when looking at how much pork gets thrown their way per capita. Alaskans tend to be very Republican, but they also reward their politicians for keeping the pork coming.

2009-02-12 20:06:56

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Warhammer: Member; +18|5984

Huh, Stevens was one of the known corruption anyway. Personally There are liberal Republicans as well not to mention.

John McCain is one whom I was surprised of getting elected. He is the least liked Republican. Unfortunately, a moderate does well against strong conservative men running against him in a presidential bid during open primary states. (Thanks Huckabee for screwing up Mitt's chance by the way.)

2009-02-12 20:19:09

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

Warhammer wrote:
Huh, Stevens was one of the known corruption anyway. Personally There are liberal Republicans as well not to mention.

John McCain is one whom I was surprised of getting elected. He is the least liked Republican. Unfortunately, a moderate does well against strong conservative men running against him in a presidential bid during open primary states. (Thanks Huckabee for screwing up Mitt's chance by the way.)

Well, the reason why McCain won the nomination so quickly is because the GOP's primary system is equally as flawed as the general electoral one is.

The winner-takes-all approach for winning state votes heavily skews things in favor of winners by plurality. McCain likely only got about 30 to 40% of his party's support outright but still managed to win because of this system.

If you guys had a more evenly representative system (more like the Democratic one), Romney or Huckabee would've likely won.

Granted, the Democratic one has the problem of superdelegates. They shouldn't be part of the process at all.

2009-02-12 20:26:24

#16

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:
Warhammer wrote:
Huh, Stevens was one of the known corruption anyway. Personally There are liberal Republicans as well not to mention.

John McCain is one whom I was surprised of getting elected. He is the least liked Republican. Unfortunately, a moderate does well against strong conservative men running against him in a presidential bid during open primary states. (Thanks Huckabee for screwing up Mitt's chance by the way.)
Well, the reason why McCain won the nomination so quickly is because the GOP's primary system is equally as flawed as the general electoral one is.

The winner-takes-all approach for winning state votes heavily skews things in favor of winners by plurality. McCain likely only got about 30 to 40% of his party's support outright but still managed to win because of this system.

If you guys had a more evenly representative system (more like the Democratic one), Romney or Huckabee would've likely won.

Granted, the Democratic one has the problem of superdelegates. They shouldn't be part of the process at all.

The GOP doesn't have shit on the Democratic primaries..lol.

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2009-02-12 20:27:40

#17

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

What do you mean?

2009-02-12 20:41:27

#18

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:
What do you mean?

In terms of knowing what the hell they are doing during the primaries. They (the dems) basically came out and said it themselves. What do you think the whole point of having a superprimary? So, so, screwed up.

I will say one thing though. Closed primaries should be thrown out by both.

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2009-02-12 20:42:50

#19

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
What do you mean?
In terms of knowing what the hell they are doing during the primaries. They basically came out and said it themselves. What do you think the whole point of having a superprimary. So, so, screwed up.

I will say one thing though. Closed primaries should be thrown out by both.

I definitely agree with that last part.

Still, I'd say the Democratic system is closer to a straight up popular vote, which is how a real primary should be.

The general election should be a straight popular vote as well, but c'est la vie.

2009-02-12 20:44:42

#20

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Do you know why it isn't? The historical argument that is..

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2009-02-12 20:47:13

#21

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:
Do you know why it isn't? The historical argument that is..

Oh I know why. But times have changed, and so must the system.

I normally support states' rights, but when the office covers the entire country in its jurisdiction, then every man should truly be equal in terms of votes.

Because it isn't.... well, the representativeness of the presidency is, at best, debatable... and at worst... detestable.

2009-02-12 20:49:11

#22

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Well, I will say the electoral collage is pretty damn screwed up now too.

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2009-02-12 20:51:50

#23

Warhammer: Member; +18|5984

Turquoise wrote:
Warhammer wrote:
Huh, Stevens was one of the known corruption anyway. Personally There are liberal Republicans as well not to mention.

John McCain is one whom I was surprised of getting elected. He is the least liked Republican. Unfortunately, a moderate does well against strong conservative men running against him in a presidential bid during open primary states. (Thanks Huckabee for screwing up Mitt's chance by the way.)
Well, the reason why McCain won the nomination so quickly is because the GOP's primary system is equally as flawed as the general electoral one is.

The winner-takes-all approach for winning state votes heavily skews things in favor of winners by plurality. McCain likely only got about 30 to 40% of his party's support outright but still managed to win because of this system.

If you guys had a more evenly representative system (more like the Democratic one), Romney or Huckabee would've likely won.

Granted, the Democratic one has the problem of superdelegates. They shouldn't be part of the process at all.

Good point, though I kind of hate open primaries as well. In election you can crossover from your side and disrupt other sides choice of candidates, plus you get the flip flopping independents in the mix. Closed primaries or partial closed primaries seems the best way to go.

2009-02-12 20:52:27

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:
Well, I will say the electoral collage is pretty damn screwed up now too.

You know what the worst part is? Even the electors aren't equal in representation.

Some states have electors that represent much larger numbers of people each, while others represent relatively small groups of people.

The end result is that some states truly are worth more per vote. Then, when you figure in the winner-takes-all factor... well, it's no wonder why voter turnout is typically low.

What inspiration does a Republican voter have for the presidency when he/she lives in Massachusetts?

What inspiration does a Democrat voter have in Idaho?

It seems pretty blatantly oriented toward disenfranchising many groups of people.

2009-02-12 20:54:51

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

Warhammer wrote:
Good point, though I kind of hate open primaries as well. In election you can crossover from your side and disrupt other sides choice of candidates, plus you get the flip flopping independents in the mix. Closed primaries or partial closed primaries seems the best way to go.

To me, it's all or nothing. Either open it all the way with open primaries and a straight popular vote, or... go back to the old ways where party leaders decided who the candidate was.

Either way is better than what we've got now.

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