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2009-02-11 15:36:43
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Thanks for the link Varegg. The follwing video was very telling. You've got to move countries in order to get the equivalent of American treatment (She had to come to America prior to this just to figure out what needed to be done). The doctors in France and Spain agreed that she needed the treatment .. but the government of France decided that they didn't want to pay for it.

[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5065868066847910612&hl=en[/google]
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2009-02-13 03:09:27
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6714|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

It's not perfect--by any stretch of the imagination. But it's not the horror you try to paint it as.
It certainly looks like it sucks from the outside, 20% of GDP on healthcare, compared with 5-10% in most other nations.

- costs are capped at a reasonable level even if you become ill.
As they are with the vast majority of insurance plans in the US.

Those without jobs (or low-paying jobs w/o benefits or w/poor benefits) generally qualify for govt assistance/insurance.

It's simply not the horror story those unfamiliar with it attempt to paint it as. It's not. Period.

Does it have it's problems? Sure.

Does the NHS have it's problems? Sure.

The great thing about our system is that if you don't like the care you get with your current insurance...you can switch companies. Not all are the unscrupulous turds you read about or see Michael Moore movies about. Those are a handful of the hundreds out there.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2009-02-13 03:30:51
PureFodder
Member
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

It's not perfect--by any stretch of the imagination. But it's not the horror you try to paint it as.
It certainly looks like it sucks from the outside, 20% of GDP on healthcare, compared with 5-10% in most other nations.

- costs are capped at a reasonable level even if you become ill.
As they are with the vast majority of insurance plans in the US.

Those without jobs (or low-paying jobs w/o benefits or w/poor benefits) generally qualify for govt assistance/insurance.

It's simply not the horror story those unfamiliar with it attempt to paint it as. It's not. Period.

Does it have it's problems? Sure.

Does the NHS have it's problems? Sure.

The great thing about our system is that if you don't like the care you get with your current insurance...you can switch companies. Not all are the unscrupulous turds you read about or see Michael Moore movies about. Those are a handful of the hundreds out there.
If you have a pre-existing condition you can't move companies.

If you get an illness that has long term health consequenses and it turns out that your insurance company is shit you're just as screwed as if you find out that your government won't help you. Insurance as a business only makes sense if you can't make predictions about an individuals future costs which is increasingly not being the case.
2009-02-13 03:47:51
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7113|Nårvei

Kmarion wrote:

Thanks for the link Varegg. The follwing video was very telling. You've got to move countries in order to get the equivalent of American treatment (She had to come to America prior to this just to figure out what needed to be done). The doctors in France and Spain agreed that she needed the treatment .. but the government of France decided that they didn't want to pay for it.

[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5065868066847910612&hl=en[/google]
The system is not finished yet, only on a trial basis ... and of course it has flaws as it is now, the hope of centralizing this inside the EU is for example to develop the same expertise in specialist hospitals like you have in the states and this can only be done when you have certain amounts of patients within the same system having the same diagnose ...

Not sure about EU but we have in Norway coop agreements with several US & British hospitals for certain procedures that doesn't exist in Norway, it's idiotic to fly a patient to the US when you could do the same procedure inside EU eventually ... hopefully ...

One of the reasons for this common health plan for EU and EFTA is that they have recognized that specialists in the US are much better at what they do than their equals in Europe because the doctors in the US have a much larger patient group ...

So when they finally will sort of the economic aspects of the EU health plan with money returns and such I believe it will have the same standard and coverage as the US system but it will be socialized also ... a major health reform, and if we can do projects on such a grand scale so can you
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2009-02-16 07:30:10
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6714|'Murka

PureFodder wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


It certainly looks like it sucks from the outside, 20% of GDP on healthcare, compared with 5-10% in most other nations.

- costs are capped at a reasonable level even if you become ill.
As they are with the vast majority of insurance plans in the US.

Those without jobs (or low-paying jobs w/o benefits or w/poor benefits) generally qualify for govt assistance/insurance.

It's simply not the horror story those unfamiliar with it attempt to paint it as. It's not. Period.

Does it have it's problems? Sure.

Does the NHS have it's problems? Sure.

The great thing about our system is that if you don't like the care you get with your current insurance...you can switch companies. Not all are the unscrupulous turds you read about or see Michael Moore movies about. Those are a handful of the hundreds out there.
If you have a pre-existing condition you can't move companies.

If you get an illness that has long term health consequenses and it turns out that your insurance company is shit you're just as screwed as if you find out that your government won't help you. Insurance as a business only makes sense if you can't make predictions about an individuals future costs which is increasingly not being the case.
Depends on the company. Many companies accept pre-existing conditions, and there is legislation being proposed to eliminate the practice of denying benefits due to pre-existing conditions.

Insurance as a business is not based on a single person. It's based on multiple people and the odds of any one of them getting sick. Basic odds-play gambling, if you will.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

 

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