Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Actually I think I covered your post very well. YOu can call me whatever ya want, it does not bother me as apparently picking on your Messiah bothers you.
You can tell yourself that, but you didn't. You refuse to admit that you're a hypocrite for voting for a socialist. I don't believe McCain is one, but under your definition, he is.

Own up or shut up.
McCain is not a socialist he did vote for the bailout, however and I disagree with any bailouts. Now, do you really wanna compare the 2 men and their records to see who is a fucking liberal/socialist and who is bi-partisan at the very least.
Ah, okay. I see. Obama votes for the bailout...socialist! McCain votes for the bailout...true american hero! Great representative of the Republican party!

It's nice to see you can't own up to your own hypocrisy. But you know what I find really funny? You go on these tangents about how you're an advocate of personal responsibilty and all that other BS rhetoric, yet you can't even admit when you're a hypocrite. You'd rather blame it on others. That's what it all boils down to. It's only okay when it's your definition of how it works. If you're so anti-bailout, you should have voted for Bob Barr. But you didn't. Because you're a hypocrite.

Look at that, everyone. I've done what none of you ever could - break down lowing's crackpot arguments and his bullshit personal responsibility arguments and show they're made of no substance whatsoever!
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

You can tell yourself that, but you didn't. You refuse to admit that you're a hypocrite for voting for a socialist. I don't believe McCain is one, but under your definition, he is.

Own up or shut up.
McCain is not a socialist he did vote for the bailout, however and I disagree with any bailouts. Now, do you really wanna compare the 2 men and their records to see who is a fucking liberal/socialist and who is bi-partisan at the very least.
Ah, okay. I see. Obama votes for the bailout...socialist! McCain votes for the bailout...true american hero! Great representative of the Republican party!

It's nice to see you can't own up to your own hypocrisy. But you know what I find really funny? You go on these tangents about how you're an advocate of personal responsibilty and all that other BS rhetoric, yet you can't even admit when you're a hypocrite. You'd rather blame it on others. That's what it all boils down to. It's only okay when it's your definition of how it works. If you're so anti-bailout, you should have voted for Bob Barr. But you didn't. Because you're a hypocrite.

Look at that, everyone. I've done what none of you ever could - break down lowing's crackpot arguments and his bullshit personal responsibility arguments and show they're made of no substance whatsoever!
I never said Obama was a socialist because of the bailouts. Not once. His voting record, his own words, his agenda makes him a socialist. Period.


I didn't know I matter enought to warrant "breaking down". However, by you discribing personal responsibility as bullshit does not speak well for you but does speak volumes as to which way you lean politically and why you love Nobama

Last edited by lowing (2009-02-06 22:47:01)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:


McCain is not a socialist he did vote for the bailout, however and I disagree with any bailouts. Now, do you really wanna compare the 2 men and their records to see who is a fucking liberal/socialist and who is bi-partisan at the very least.
Ah, okay. I see. Obama votes for the bailout...socialist! McCain votes for the bailout...true american hero! Great representative of the Republican party!

It's nice to see you can't own up to your own hypocrisy. But you know what I find really funny? You go on these tangents about how you're an advocate of personal responsibilty and all that other BS rhetoric, yet you can't even admit when you're a hypocrite. You'd rather blame it on others. That's what it all boils down to. It's only okay when it's your definition of how it works. If you're so anti-bailout, you should have voted for Bob Barr. But you didn't. Because you're a hypocrite.

Look at that, everyone. I've done what none of you ever could - break down lowing's crackpot arguments and his bullshit personal responsibility arguments and show they're made of no substance whatsoever!
I never said Obama was a socialist because of the bailouts. Not once. His voting record, his own words, his agenda makes him a socialist. Period.
Yet you define bailouts as socialism. And McCain voted for the bailout.

Hypocrite.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


Ah, okay. I see. Obama votes for the bailout...socialist! McCain votes for the bailout...true american hero! Great representative of the Republican party!

It's nice to see you can't own up to your own hypocrisy. But you know what I find really funny? You go on these tangents about how you're an advocate of personal responsibilty and all that other BS rhetoric, yet you can't even admit when you're a hypocrite. You'd rather blame it on others. That's what it all boils down to. It's only okay when it's your definition of how it works. If you're so anti-bailout, you should have voted for Bob Barr. But you didn't. Because you're a hypocrite.

Look at that, everyone. I've done what none of you ever could - break down lowing's crackpot arguments and his bullshit personal responsibility arguments and show they're made of no substance whatsoever!
I never said Obama was a socialist because of the bailouts. Not once. His voting record, his own words, his agenda makes him a socialist. Period.
Yet you define bailouts as socialism. And McCain voted for the bailout.

Hypocrite.
I am against the bailouts, and always have been. The bailouts are consistent with a socialist agenda that I disagree with. It does not however define an entire politcal career suchs as McCain's . Nobama's polical career consists of nothing but socialist views and efforts
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

I didn't know I matter enought to warrant "breaking down". However, by you discribing personal responsibility as bullshit does not speak well for you but does speak volumes as to which way you lean politically and why you love Nobama
lol. I'm not describing personal responsibility as bullshit. I'm describing the fact that you using it is bullshit seeing as how you yourself only believe in it if it suits you. I, unlike you, do not have political blinders on. If Obama messes up - I'm going to criticize him. If he does something I don't agree with - I'm not gonna quietly ignore it. I supported Obama because I believed and still believe he was the better candidate. That's all. I don't have some love affair with him, I don't like him because he's black, I don't like him because he's a democrat (probably the last thing I'd like someone for)... I supported him because he and Biden were far, far better than Johnnie Mac and Hockey Mom.


lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:


I never said Obama was a socialist because of the bailouts. Not once. His voting record, his own words, his agenda makes him a socialist. Period.
Yet you define bailouts as socialism. And McCain voted for the bailout.

Hypocrite.
I am against the bailouts, and always have been. The bailouts are consistent with a socialist agenda that I disagree with. It does not however define an entire politcal career suchs as McCain's . Nobama's polical career consists of nothing but socialist views and efforts
It doesn't, nor should it matter. Don't preach all this hate towards the bailout if you're going to willingly vote for someone who voted for it. It makes you a - yep, you guessed it...hypocrite.
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6683|MN

Poseidon wrote:

It doesn't, nor should it matter. Don't preach all this hate towards the bailout if you're going to willingly vote for someone who voted for it. It makes you a - yep, you guessed it...hypocrite.
So by your definition I am a hypocrite as well.

You are stretching things quite a bit here to try to get someone to say they voted for a socialist.  I voted for McCain/Palin.  I hate bailouts and consider it great step towards a socialist country.  I would never consider McCain as anything close to a socialist.  I thought he screwed up when he voted yes.  He was too scared politically to stand up to it.  But to call him a socialist because he voted for it is just plain stupid.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

LividBovine wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

It doesn't, nor should it matter. Don't preach all this hate towards the bailout if you're going to willingly vote for someone who voted for it. It makes you a - yep, you guessed it...hypocrite.
So by your definition I am a hypocrite as well.

You are stretching things quite a bit here to try to get someone to say they voted for a socialist.  I voted for McCain/Palin.  I hate bailouts and consider it great step towards a socialist country.  I would never consider McCain as anything close to a socialist.  I thought he screwed up when he voted yes.  He was too scared politically to stand up to it.  But to call him a socialist because he voted for it is just plain stupid.
You don't make some huge stink about bailouts, state how "lib'ruls are the devil" or spout any of the other bullshit noing does (since "Nobama" makes no sense now that he's the POTUS, I'm going to make a non-sensical name up for him as well!). If you went around telling everyone how you're so staunchly anti-bailout and then voted for McCain, yeah...I'd call you out too. But you didn't. So that's a good step towards moderation on your part.

I didn't say McCain was a socialist because he voted for the bailout. I specified only a few posts above that I DON'T believe he is. Keep that in mind. Noing's saying it, not I.

So yeah, when someone goes around saying that they're incredibly anti-bailout yet voted for someone who voted for the bailout - I'm going to call bullshit on them and call them a hypocrite.

It'd be like me being vehementely...I dunno, anti-gay rights. Then I go ahead and vote for Obama. That would make me a flat out hypocrite now wouldn't it? But I wouldn't do that, nor would I support a candidate who had opposing views to me on an issue I feel strongly about. I have opposing views to Obama on certain things like gun control and the death penalty, but they're not strong enough views that I would feel the need to go around defending everywhere I see fit.

Last edited by Poseidon (2009-02-06 23:43:07)

LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6683|MN
Obviously he values the candidate'ss other views more so than the bailout.  Unless he says he will not vote for anyone that votes for a bailout, and then votes for one, he is not a hypocrite.  It really just comes down to how strongly someone values that one talking point over all the others.  I personally lost a lot of repsect for most Republicans over this whole bailout thing.  My values still match up much more so with them overall though.  I would never have considered voting for Obama based on his views on a lot of issues.

P.S.  Don't call me a moderate (or anything close to it).  I will listen to Hannity tomorrow and start spouting all kinds of Right Wing talking points at you.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

I didn't know I matter enought to warrant "breaking down". However, by you discribing personal responsibility as bullshit does not speak well for you but does speak volumes as to which way you lean politically and why you love Nobama
lol. I'm not describing personal responsibility as bullshit. I'm describing the fact that you using it is bullshit seeing as how you yourself only believe in it if it suits you. I, unlike you, do not have political blinders on. If Obama messes up - I'm going to criticize him. If he does something I don't agree with - I'm not gonna quietly ignore it. I supported Obama because I believed and still believe he was the better candidate. That's all. I don't have some love affair with him, I don't like him because he's black, I don't like him because he's a democrat (probably the last thing I'd like someone for)... I supported him because he and Biden were far, far better than Johnnie Mac and Hockey Mom.


lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


Yet you define bailouts as socialism. And McCain voted for the bailout.

Hypocrite.
I am against the bailouts, and always have been. The bailouts are consistent with a socialist agenda that I disagree with. It does not however define an entire politcal career suchs as McCain's . Nobama's polical career consists of nothing but socialist views and efforts
It doesn't, nor should it matter. Don't preach all this hate towards the bailout if you're going to willingly vote for someone who voted for it. It makes you a - yep, you guessed it...hypocrite.
1. I see, so you think Nobama got elected because his views on the issues were far superior to those of anyone else? HE got elected on issues huh?


2. I see, so unlike you, I am not allowed to vote for what I consider the better of 2 evils. You are alowed to pick and choose what you lke and do not like about a candidate, yet I have to take everything or nothing. I liked McCain in all other aspects of his political record and career as a conservative. Nobama is a socialist Marxist liberal in every way shape and form. For me my choice was clear. Also if he got elected I could esily bank on the democratic congress to go against anything hesupported anyway. After all, McCain is not a rock star!!
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6456|what

lowing wrote:

Nobama is a socialist Marxist liberal in every way shape and form.
Have you seen some of the people working around him? They aren't all that bad, or even close.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nobama is a socialist Marxist liberal in every way shape and form.
Have you seen some of the people working around him? They aren't all that bad, or even close.
Neh, especially if you like lobbyists and tax cheats
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6456|what

lol, well at least it's been a distraction from the policies he's been enacting.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lol, well at least it's been a distraction from the policies he's been enacting.
Sorry, I am not allowed to talk about those. People get upset when I bad mouth the rock star, I mean, the Messiah.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7065

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lol, well at least it's been a distraction from the policies he's been enacting.
his politics blow ass.

no wonder why south chicago is still such a shit hole.  he couldnt do shit there either.......
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

LividBovine wrote:

Obviously he values the candidate'ss other views more so than the bailout.  Unless he says he will not vote for anyone that votes for a bailout, and then votes for one, he is not a hypocrite.  It really just comes down to how strongly someone values that one talking point over all the others.  I personally lost a lot of repsect for most Republicans over this whole bailout thing.  My values still match up much more so with them overall though.  I would never have considered voting for Obama based on his views on a lot of issues.

P.S.  Don't call me a moderate (or anything close to it).  I will listen to Hannity tomorrow and start spouting all kinds of Right Wing talking points at you.
It doesn't matter. He puts himself out as this strongly anti-bailout person, goes and shit talks the left and the democrats about supporting the bailouts, and then goes and votes for someone who voted for the bailout itself. That's hypocritical, plain and simple.

Bob Barr lined up with his views way, way more than McCain does...yet he didn't vote for him because he's so blinded by politics.

Taxation

Barr advocates repealing the Sixteenth Amendment, which would effectively abolish the income tax and the Internal Revenue Service. He would replace the current tax system with a form of consumption tax, and mentions the Fair Tax as a possible alternative. "Meaningful tax reform begins with reining in government spending."[1]
Since Noing's a strongly anti-tax person and extremely greedy when it comes to his money, I'd imagine he'd love this.

United Nations

Barr calls the United Nations "an enormous disappointment" and asserts that the "U.S. should push to roll back the UN’s functions and slash America’s financial contribution".[8]
Noing's always complaining about the UN (not that he doesn't have a reason to, tbh), so I'd imagine he'd also love this.

Education

Barr advocates the abolition of the Department of Education as well as elimination of federal grants and regulation; he also supports the repeal of the No Child Left Behind act. He believes the education should return to the local level. He supports state-level tax credits to parents who educate their children via private education or homeschooling. He believes the quality of education will benefit more from a competitive market-based system than from a government-controlled system."[15]
Lookie thar! Less government involvement! Sounds just like Noing's style!

Gun ownership rights

Barr supports the right to bear arms as an individual right. "I oppose any law requiring registration of, or restricting the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition to law-abiding citizens."[9]
Oh look, guns for all! This oughta make him REAL happy.

Environmental policy

Barr believes the free market needs to be the foundation of the United States' energy policy. Supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.[17]
A staunch pro-Free Market politician who believes in drilling? Ho-lee shit! Noing must be creaming in his pants right now.

But no. He didn't vote for Bob Barr, who lines up with nearly all of his views on everything. He voted for John McCain. Because he's a hypocrite.

Keep calling Obama a socialist, Noing...it only makes you look like you're still stuck in Sarah Palin's magical tundra world. And stupid, of course. When someone still has to repeat campaign rhetoric 3 weeks into an administration, you know they're REALLY grasping at straws.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
There was a post on the last page with Lindsey Graham complaining about the process that was done to pass this stimulus bill and how partisan it's been.

While I like Graham more than most Republicans, it would've been nice to hear him complain about the partisanship that occurred between 2001 and 2006.

Still, he is quite correct in pointing out that the low approval numbers are part of what's causing Congress to scramble right now.

I would agree with Poseidon that the Democrats seem to be more coherent in what direction they want to take things, since the Republicans seem to be complaining yet have their own version of the bailout in mind.

I would argue, however, that Ron Paul actually has the best idea right now.  Unfortunately, his idea is somewhat a form of political suicide.  He's suggested that we let the market clear itself.  In the short run, it is very painful to let this occur, but in the long run, it really is the best option.

It's likely that the ensuing collapse that would occur from letting the market clear itself would probably cause all of the proponents of this measure to lose their seats, but it really would be best for the country in the long term.  That's the sacrifice that a free market politician faces on this issue, and it's probably why the Republicans are so scatterbrained at the moment.  They're having to decide between what's politically expedient and what's actually better for the country.   It's definitely a bitter pill to swallow....
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Poseidon wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

Obviously he values the candidate'ss other views more so than the bailout.  Unless he says he will not vote for anyone that votes for a bailout, and then votes for one, he is not a hypocrite.  It really just comes down to how strongly someone values that one talking point over all the others.  I personally lost a lot of repsect for most Republicans over this whole bailout thing.  My values still match up much more so with them overall though.  I would never have considered voting for Obama based on his views on a lot of issues.

P.S.  Don't call me a moderate (or anything close to it).  I will listen to Hannity tomorrow and start spouting all kinds of Right Wing talking points at you.
It doesn't matter. He puts himself out as this strongly anti-bailout person, goes and shit talks the left and the democrats about supporting the bailouts, and then goes and votes for someone who voted for the bailout itself. That's hypocritical, plain and simple.

Bob Barr lined up with his views way, way more than McCain does...yet he didn't vote for him because he's so blinded by politics.

Taxation

Barr advocates repealing the Sixteenth Amendment, which would effectively abolish the income tax and the Internal Revenue Service. He would replace the current tax system with a form of consumption tax, and mentions the Fair Tax as a possible alternative. "Meaningful tax reform begins with reining in government spending."[1]
Since Noing's a strongly anti-tax person and extremely greedy when it comes to his money, I'd imagine he'd love this.

United Nations

Barr calls the United Nations "an enormous disappointment" and asserts that the "U.S. should push to roll back the UN’s functions and slash America’s financial contribution".[8]
Noing's always complaining about the UN (not that he doesn't have a reason to, tbh), so I'd imagine he'd also love this.

Education

Barr advocates the abolition of the Department of Education as well as elimination of federal grants and regulation; he also supports the repeal of the No Child Left Behind act. He believes the education should return to the local level. He supports state-level tax credits to parents who educate their children via private education or homeschooling. He believes the quality of education will benefit more from a competitive market-based system than from a government-controlled system."[15]
Lookie thar! Less government involvement! Sounds just like Noing's style!

Gun ownership rights

Barr supports the right to bear arms as an individual right. "I oppose any law requiring registration of, or restricting the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition to law-abiding citizens."[9]
Oh look, guns for all! This oughta make him REAL happy.

Environmental policy

Barr believes the free market needs to be the foundation of the United States' energy policy. Supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.[17]
A staunch pro-Free Market politician who believes in drilling? Ho-lee shit! Noing must be creaming in his pants right now.

But no. He didn't vote for Bob Barr, who lines up with nearly all of his views on everything. He voted for John McCain. Because he's a hypocrite.

Keep calling Obama a socialist, Noing...it only makes you look like you're still stuck in Sarah Palin's magical tundra world. And stupid, of course. When someone still has to repeat campaign rhetoric 3 weeks into an administration, you know they're REALLY grasping at straws.
Already explained my reasoning, and it is sound. I can't tell ya how sorry I am that you disapprove.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York
You think might think it's sound, but it's hypocritical. End of story.

From now on, you shall forever be known as, "Noing, the great hypocrite! Come see him perform live acts of deception in the middle of Times Square!".
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Poseidon wrote:

You think might think it's sound, but it's hypocritical. End of story.

From now on, you shall forever be known as, "Noing, the great hypocrite! Come see him perform live acts of deception in the middle of Times Square!".
2 shows daily. I ticket prices are double for workers, so liberals can get in free. I gotta be "fair" ya know.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

You think might think it's sound, but it's hypocritical. End of story.

From now on, you shall forever be known as, "Noing, the great hypocrite! Come see him perform live acts of deception in the middle of Times Square!".
2 shows daily. I ticket prices are double for workers, so liberals can get in free. I gotta be "fair" ya know.
Oh, yes. But of course. Don't forget to appease the mooslims begging to get in and threatening to blow themselves up if they don't!

Last edited by Poseidon (2009-02-07 22:16:26)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

You think might think it's sound, but it's hypocritical. End of story.

From now on, you shall forever be known as, "Noing, the great hypocrite! Come see him perform live acts of deception in the middle of Times Square!".
2 shows daily. I ticket prices are double for workers, so liberals can get in free. I gotta be "fair" ya know.
Oh, yes. But of course. Don't forget to appease the mooslims begging to get threatening to blow themselves up if they don't!
They are in the same section with the liberals. I figure you have a lot in common so ya might wanna sit together.
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6456|what

lowing wrote:

2 shows daily. I ticket prices are double for workers, so liberals can get in free. I gotta be "fair" ya know.
How is it that worker and liberal is a mutually exclusive attribute? lol
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6930|Canada
still clinging to the term "Nobama" eh noing? lol ur fantastic, love the drama that unfolds around your posts.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

destruktion_6143 wrote:

still clinging to the term "Nobama" eh noing? lol ur fantastic, love the drama that unfolds around your posts.
Then you shoulda been there around the drams that unfolded over the past few years in real life.

Hey ya know what, if could endure 8 years of Bush being call hitler, nazi, the devil, baby killer, murderer, a terrorist etc....you can certainly put up with your boy being called NObama. IE I need NO-Obama in my life.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7065

usmarine wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lol, well at least it's been a distraction from the policies he's been enacting.
his politics blow ass.

no wonder why south chicago is still such a shit hole.  he couldnt do shit there either.......
doesnt matter really though.  it is president pelosi...not obama anyway.

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