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People had stayed through many of the previous storms in NO... it was kind of like... i'm not afraid of any silly storm...
the people had 4 days notice... i remember the weather guys saying 4 days before it hit that a 100k people could possibly die...
I realize a lot of them were poor and just picking up and leaving wasn't easy... but good ole Ray Nagin could have lined up buses and made it mandatory to leave... he got out safe...   
   An unfortunate reality is that poor people don't have much of a voice... they either don't have the money to get their message out or they are apathetic and give up... Obama is their bright light and i feel they all were hoodwinked... I saw the happiness and excitement in a lot of peoples faces that came to DC for the inauguration... from New Orleans... South Carolina.. Florida... etc... they are waiting for him to make everything ok...  As long as BO and Dems keep trying to redistribute the wealth... the poor will get a handout here and there... rich people will hang on to the money they have... and the middle class gets it in the keister...

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

Where did you get the second part of the OP from? I've saw it on another political fringe site and I'm trying to figure out where they also got that from.

It was sent to me in an email

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

A week is impossible. It is pretty easy to figure out. Look up anything that has tracks of Katrina. The Storm wasn't even named a week prior. .. you want me to believe that you knew a week before? You are misinformed.
http://flhurricane.com/googlemap.php?2005s12
The 22nd Katrina wasn't even being tracked.

I'm guessing that you are unfamiliar with the probability cone. It's exactly why you don't go losing your mind when the storm is days out. As it gets closer the odd are good enough to make your decision. Further out.. not so much. They tell us not to pay attention to the exact tracking line. There was actually a debate a few years ago as to whether they should include the line in the middle.

I'm going to have to stick with NOAA on this one lowing. I can't afford to pack up everytime a cloud pops up on radar.

I agree, anyway, so it was 6 days instead of 7, so what, either way, it does not take 6 or 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 day to get out of a city.

Even at 6 days it was ridiculous to claim anyone knew it would cut across Fl and hit NO.

You are right in the fact the government wasn't the solution. I'm saying they can be a major help though. Nagin intentionally put off the evac because (what he has never admitted) the strain it would have had on his local economy.

That is all.

I refuse to put my families safety as a considersation for Nagin's  local economy problem. But that is just me. I will make those decisions not someone the likes of Nagin

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

lowing wrote:

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

If you don't have the money to go somewhere else or have the means to, your going to basically say fuck it and try to ride it out.

You could WALK to higher ground in that amount of time

Great but walk to where? After you get there then what? You have no money to support yourself while you're there.

Will you please stop trying to insult my intelligence, as if standing on a fuckin' hill during a hurricane is what I actually meant.

lowing wrote:

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

lowing wrote:

You could WALK to higher ground in that amount of time

Great but walk to where? After you get there then what? You have no money to support yourself while you're there.

Will you please stop trying to insult my intelligence, as if standing on a fuckin' hill during a hurricane is what I actually meant.

Well that's just be silly. You can't survive on top of a hill during a hurricane.

I'm just trying to think deeply into the question. Rather then say the blanket statement of them getting the fuck out of the area we have to think how would they, where would they go, and what would they do when they get there.

So since you think I'm trying to twist your words and insult your intelligence please tell me what you really meant.

After that explain to me what would a person do if a hurricane was coming to their city and-
1. You don't have a car
2. You have any money for food or extended shelter
3. You don't exactly know where to go.

lowing wrote:

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

lowing wrote:

Will you please stop trying to insult my intelligence, as if standing on a fuckin' hill during a hurricane is what I actually meant.

Well that's just be silly. You can't survive on top of a hill during a hurricane.

I'm just trying to think deeply into the question. Rather then say the blanket statement of them getting the fuck out of the area we have to think how would they, where would they go, and what would they do when they get there.

So since you think I'm trying to twist your words and insult your intelligence please tell me what you really meant.

After that explain to me what would a person do if a hurricane was coming to their city and-
1. You don't have a car
2. You have any money for food or extended shelter
3. You don't exactly know where to go.

If you can run from the cops with a plasma tv, you can run for your life.

1. you don't have a car?, you don't have any money? You don't know where to go? Then you pretty much are about as irresponssbile as you can get. Perhaps if you had taken care of yourself via responsibilty, you would have a car, money and a clue.

I'm not even going to bother argueing agaisnt that statement I think i made my views on you and the logic you use clear in another thread. But before I leave this debate here I'm going to say.

Even if they were irresponsible doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped.

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

lowing wrote:

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

Well that's just be silly. You can't survive on top of a hill during a hurricane.

I'm just trying to think deeply into the question. Rather then say the blanket statement of them getting the fuck out of the area we have to think how would they, where would they go, and what would they do when they get there.

So since you think I'm trying to twist your words and insult your intelligence please tell me what you really meant.

After that explain to me what would a person do if a hurricane was coming to their city and-
1. You don't have a car
2. You have any money for food or extended shelter
3. You don't exactly know where to go.

If you can run from the cops with a plasma tv, you can run for your life.

1. you don't have a car?, you don't have any money? You don't know where to go? Then you pretty much are about as irresponssbile as you can get. Perhaps if you had taken care of yourself via responsibilty, you would have a car, money and a clue.

I'm not even going to bother argueing agaisnt that statement I think i made my views on you and the logic you use clear in another thread. But before I leave this debate here I'm going to say.

Even if they were irresponsible doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped.

Well, I am not really sure how you could argue a point that, no car no job, no money, and no clue equal responsibility.

I only choose to want to help those that want to help themselves to something other than my wallet.

lowing wrote:

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

lowing wrote:

If you can run from the cops with a plasma tv, you can run for your life.

1. you don't have a car?, you don't have any money? You don't know where to go? Then you pretty much are about as irresponssbile as you can get. Perhaps if you had taken care of yourself via responsibilty, you would have a car, money and a clue.

I'm not even going to bother argueing agaisnt that statement I think i made my views on you and the logic you use clear in another thread. But before I leave this debate here I'm going to say.

Even if they were irresponsible doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped.

Well, I am not really sure how you could argue a point that, no car no job, no money, and no clue equal responsibility.

I only choose to want to help those that want to help themselves to something other than my wallet.

I would have to take a cold shower before I lay in bed for 4 hours staring at the wall before I take 2 sleep pills to go to bed, if you respond to what I said in the Recession crime wave thread.

Last edited by uevjHEYFFQ (2009-02-01 21:54:32)

Kmarion wrote:

Warhammer wrote:

(skipped the last three pages) I saw pictures from Iowa with the flood after katrina. It seemed they got hid just as hard or even harder than New Orleans.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_worl … iowa_.html

Given the fact that Iowans seemed more adept with these situations and had forewarnings. The people still helped around and did no looting unlike N.O. They seem to have been prepared in governance than the New Orleans mayor or governor. They did not seek help from FEMA as New Orleans had. Seems to me the governance and the responsible life of Iowa did better than that of New Orleans.

You mean like the adeptness Floridians have also? We were literally face palming as we watched how horribly mismanaged the storm was. The preparation both individual and governmental are night and day when comparing the two. Their strategic planning was virtually nill. We don't have the levee situation but we are also hit 4xs as much. We passed an executive order passing out harsh penalties for price gouging, and looters are practically stoned.

Yet you defend New Orleans?

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

lowing wrote:

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

I'm not even going to bother argueing agaisnt that statement I think i made my views on you and the logic you use clear in another thread. But before I leave this debate here I'm going to say.

Even if they were irresponsible doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped.

Well, I am not really sure how you could argue a point that, no car no job, no money, and no clue equal responsibility.

I only choose to want to help those that want to help themselves to something other than my wallet.

I would have to take a cold shower before I lay in bed for 4 hours staring at the wall before I take 2 sleep pills to go to bed, if you respond to what I said in the Recession crime wave thread.

Ummmmmm, what!?

Mutantsteak wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Warhammer wrote:

(skipped the last three pages) I saw pictures from Iowa with the flood after katrina. It seemed they got hid just as hard or even harder than New Orleans.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_worl … iowa_.html

Given the fact that Iowans seemed more adept with these situations and had forewarnings. The people still helped around and did no looting unlike N.O. They seem to have been prepared in governance than the New Orleans mayor or governor. They did not seek help from FEMA as New Orleans had. Seems to me the governance and the responsible life of Iowa did better than that of New Orleans.

You mean like the adeptness Floridians have also? We were literally face palming as we watched how horribly mismanaged the storm was. The preparation both individual and governmental are night and day when comparing the two. Their strategic planning was virtually nill. We don't have the levee situation but we are also hit 4xs as much. We passed an executive order passing out harsh penalties for price gouging, and looters are practically stoned.

How many times do you get evacuated or run a test per year (Im not sure how these things work, calm weather connecticut)

The last two years have been relatively calm. After 2004 we needed it. Unless you are in a flood zone it's best that you stay home, that is provided you have a sturdy structure. Mobile homes need to gtfo. Another thing people often forget are the tornadoes hurricanes spawn. I've seen up to fifty come after the hurricanes pass. Over the last ten years I have been evacuated 5 times. But I have stayed put for some doozys. Really the worst part is not having power for weeks sometimes.. clean up is a bitch too. In the midsummer Fl heat it can be a sticky situation .

Those ppl that throw hurricane parties are idiots too. They make light of a serious situation by getting drunk and making it difficult for relief workers. One year we had a major road flood (bayshore boulevard) and we had morons running their wave runners up and down it for the hell of it. They were quickly arrested.

Mutantsteak wrote:

How many times do you get evacuated or run a test per year (Im not sure how these things work, calm weather connecticut)

Where in CT?

lowing wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Seams the people of New Orleans all get tarred with the same brush over the actions of a few.
Seams the Arabs of the world all get tarred with the same brush over the actions of a few.
............wait, I see a pattern forming.

Oh here we go again with, "it is just a few" defense.

I swear, if you guys couldn't scream "generalisation" about every topic, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I am not surprised, this is what is left when you have n oother defense or excuse for people's behavior you have to remind us the obvious, that well, it wasn't 100% of them.

Lowing, practically every point you ever make involves some mass generalisation.

QQ, Why are you so keen to write Obama off as the worst thing to happen to American Politics. He's been in office a fortnight now?

Shit, after 8 years of fuckups from GWB you should have realised that maybe it's time for someone a bit left leaning, the right's done fuck all recently for your country