I guess my point is is that our soldiers are dying for no cause at all . we found no wepons of mass destruction , we found no ties to Al Quada and we had no plans to deal with an insurgency or Al Quada reprisal at all . Sounds to me like a recipie for failure . And we are failing . What's your point again ?lowing wrote:
I would say............we are in a war and they are in a war zone......nothing new is happening as far as wars go......there has always been infiltrations and shit in war...people and soldiers have always been killed in suposed safe zones during war.......what is your point here?........that yes, it is a war but people are dying??jonnykill wrote:
Dude do you have any idea what terrorism does and it's effects on a population ? Sure , ok 75 % of Iraq is crime and terrorism free . What do you have to say to 200 Iraqi police men getting blown up in the " green zone " on thier way to a recruiting center ? A bus full of Iraqis getting highjacked and all the people shot in the back of the head for going to work ? Don't you know Gurilla tactics can ruin public image better then it can kill soldiers on the battle field ? I guess not . I mean seriously man why are we in Iraq ? What ever the reason we are there I surely don't like being bullshitted too . And that's what I think about the situation - I'm being bullshitted . And I don't like it . So stuff it .lowing wrote:
Well you are speaking of a small section of Iraq.......based on an interview I saw on one of the news channels, 75% of Iraq is stable..........and it is a fact that troops arre coming home pissed off as to the way the media is reporting news about the progress....They are saying schools are being built, power stations housing etc.....if you took a day in the life of america and only reported the murders and crimes across the country, you could say how violent and unstable it is here as well.
Poll
Do you hate or like Bush ???
| hate | 50% | 50% - 122 | ||||
| like | 28% | 28% - 69 | ||||
| Dont Give A Fuck | 16% | 16% - 40 | ||||
| Dont Know | 4% | 4% - 12 | ||||
| Total: 243 | ||||||
I don't agreeSpark wrote:
You are a professional retard, in my opinion.jonnykill wrote:
OMFG smoke what ? Jamaca ? What ? I have no idea what to make of your post . It's just plain stupid .Spark wrote:
And?!
Would you get alarmed if the president of Jamaica called for the destruction of the US? You'd be like 'Yeah. Sure. Go ahead.'
ISRAEL IS A NUCLEAR-ARMED STATE! ('bout a 100 of them)
And so what if Isreal is a nuke armed state . They went through a houlocaust and the day they got thier state made by the UN they got attacked by three different countries headed by the lovely qnd peacful Islamic states . Wouldn't you want some nukes at this point ???
Jamaica is a small country with VERY LITTLE MILITARY POWER.
The US has NUKES.
Iran has little military power in comparison to Israel.
I am saying that the Iranian president should not be taken seriously on this issue. He is way, way, way out of his depth.
Failing?!jonnykill wrote:
I guess my point is is that our soldiers are dying for no cause at all . we found no wepons of mass destruction , we found no ties to Al Quada and we had no plans to deal with an insurgency or Al Quada reprisal at all . Sounds to me like a recipie for failure . And we are failing . What's your point again ?lowing wrote:
I would say............we are in a war and they are in a war zone......nothing new is happening as far as wars go......there has always been infiltrations and shit in war...people and soldiers have always been killed in suposed safe zones during war.......what is your point here?........that yes, it is a war but people are dying??jonnykill wrote:
Dude do you have any idea what terrorism does and it's effects on a population ? Sure , ok 75 % of Iraq is crime and terrorism free . What do you have to say to 200 Iraqi police men getting blown up in the " green zone " on thier way to a recruiting center ? A bus full of Iraqis getting highjacked and all the people shot in the back of the head for going to work ? Don't you know Gurilla tactics can ruin public image better then it can kill soldiers on the battle field ? I guess not . I mean seriously man why are we in Iraq ? What ever the reason we are there I surely don't like being bullshitted too . And that's what I think about the situation - I'm being bullshitted . And I don't like it . So stuff it .
Can you back this assertion up?
We shouldn't have been there in the first place, but let's try to finish the job we started, please?!
It sets a good example.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
My point again is this......there were ties to Al Quada.and.......They WERE breaking the security resolutions that were set in place to end the first gulf war.........undisputed.........and it seems your defintion of failure is the fact that we haven't won yet and people are dying.......not alot of pull behind that arrow your shooting there.jonnykill wrote:
I guess my point is is that our soldiers are dying for no cause at all . we found no wepons of mass destruction , we found no ties to Al Quada and we had no plans to deal with an insurgency or Al Quada reprisal at all . Sounds to me like a recipie for failure . And we are failing . What's your point again ?lowing wrote:
I would say............we are in a war and they are in a war zone......nothing new is happening as far as wars go......there has always been infiltrations and shit in war...people and soldiers have always been killed in suposed safe zones during war.......what is your point here?........that yes, it is a war but people are dying??jonnykill wrote:
Dude do you have any idea what terrorism does and it's effects on a population ? Sure , ok 75 % of Iraq is crime and terrorism free . What do you have to say to 200 Iraqi police men getting blown up in the " green zone " on thier way to a recruiting center ? A bus full of Iraqis getting highjacked and all the people shot in the back of the head for going to work ? Don't you know Gurilla tactics can ruin public image better then it can kill soldiers on the battle field ? I guess not . I mean seriously man why are we in Iraq ? What ever the reason we are there I surely don't like being bullshitted too . And that's what I think about the situation - I'm being bullshitted . And I don't like it . So stuff it .
also read up and find my post on Norht Korea, I really am curious to see if we might agree on it.
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Spark wrote:
You are a professional retard, in my opinion.jonnykill wrote:
OMFG smoke what ? Jamaca ? What ? I have no idea what to make of your post . It's just plain stupid .Spark wrote:
And?!
Would you get alarmed if the president of Jamaica called for the destruction of the US? You'd be like 'Yeah. Sure. Go ahead.'
ISRAEL IS A NUCLEAR-ARMED STATE! ('bout a 100 of them)
And so what if Isreal is a nuke armed state . They went through a houlocaust and the day they got thier state made by the UN they got attacked by three different countries headed by the lovely qnd peacful Islamic states . Wouldn't you want some nukes at this point ???
Jamaica is a small country with VERY LITTLE MILITARY POWER.
So your an expert on Irainian military strength ? Dude you have no idea . They do billions of dollars worth of commerce including China , and that includes weapon systems . Just STFU . You have no idea .
The US has NUKES.
Iran has little military power in comparison to Israel.
I am saying that the Iranian president should not be taken seriously on this issue. He is way, way, way out of his depth.
Oh, so you agree?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I think he meant "Northern European jews went through a Holocaust " the country of israel didn't.jonnykill wrote:
" so what if Isreal is a nuke armed state. They went through a houlocaust
It hadn't existed yet.
So, they got their " State made " ?jonnykill wrote:
the day they got thier state made by the UN they got attacked by three different countries
The UN just kept dumping sand into the Mediterranean Sea until it " made a State "
and gave it to Northern European War Refugees?
Or was land taken from the Three countries that attacked ?
Granted the jews had a tuff time under the Vichey French, USSR and Germany during the WWII years however, you couldn't have found people that had any less to do with it than the Palestinian Arabs. If they had sent the displaced jews of Europe to Madagascar instead ( as was one plan ) do you think the local population in what was Palestine would have had any problem with it?
Over simplification ( I pray that was your intent ) and zealousness, though well intentioned, just wont further our cause. If we want to co-exist with them, either we have to own up to what was done to them and play fair, or wipe them of the face of the Earth. I cant see either action in the near future. An attempt at the latter would be disastrous for all.
If we want to move foward the 1st step is admitting the local Arabs got fucked in the " Home Land for the jews Deal "
man this kid is dumb,jonnykill wrote:
So your saying that closing a lot of bases cuased our deficit to hit the roof ? Riiiiiight
No you ignorant fuk, What I am saying was bringing the Military back up to par, Overnight.To fight a War clinton created
with his limp dik " I didn't see that " " Heck we didn't know who blew up the USS Cole " approach meant we had to do some serious repair work
and this meant big spending.
The same limp dik libs that bitch about the Wars cost will turn around and ask why all the HMVs aren't fully armored?
Like you, Logic and Honesty has no role in their thought process.
We? lol Who is We ? You and the other masturbator? Lean and mean? The clintons Slashing of the military and intelligence agencies was an aggressive ploy against our nations enemy's that had them really worried huh? get real. You are an Intellectual liar, that means you even lie to yourself..jonnykill wrote:
we decided to go for a more lean and mean army, condensed training and MOUT exersises and shit .
I bet They were thinking,jonnykill wrote:
Since your so smart tell me why we went into Iraq with no plans at all to deal with the aftermath . No plans at all says Rummy . WTF were they thinking ?
1 Make the USA safe
2 Answer Violence with Violence ten fold, ( the only way you back down an aggressor )
3 Win war
4 Then sweat the small stuff
How can you plan for an outcome you cannot fully predict? Was Germanys aftermath planed in advance of W.W.II ? No.
We didn't know if they would capitulate, Over throw Hitler, ( almost ) have to be nuked, Continue on in a Guerilla War, ( they tried )
Be over run by Russia 1st. ( half was)
When we ( Act ) our enemy's can be expected to ( Counter Act ). These people are used to War and they aren't weak kneed pussy ass liberals like you.
Ever play football? Do you have every play in sequence set up on a schedule before you go into a game or do you probe for weakness, exploit gains, Use what works, Discard what doesn't work, Nullify losses, adapt, etc., And so do your opponents.
You are dumb beyond belief.
Now tell us your third year Law with a minor in Political Science
Wow it looks like I got your panties all up in a bunch there tough guy . So funny how mad you get and reply with name calling . Spoken like a true 3 year old . People usualy loose there cool when they have no idea WTF they are talking about . Your a pisser lol .
You say I bet they were thinking huh ? So look at the situation now . We invaded a country that didn't have any WMD . None at all . Now 2 countries within the " Axis of Evil " are openly defiying UN resolutions makeing nukes and flipping us the bird . We can't do anything about it . Not a damn thing . I never felt any threat from Saddams pissant lil Army nor he ability to attck the US ever . To think he would risk it all to attack us with a nuke is just fucking laughable . North Korea and Iran pose the real world threat and have the means to pull off a massive attack on the US . So I ask you , dose the situation look good now ?
Looks like your number 2 option worked out well though . We took baghdad in 3 weeks . Mission accomplished . But only 2100 casualties have been killing by roadside bombings , mortor attacks and sniper fire ect , ect since then . I guess this is the " sweating the small stuff " as you put it . So what exactly have we won ? Not a damn thing . Most of the Iraqi soldiers just took thier uniforms off and melted into the population and joined the insurgency . Not to mention Saddam released all prisioners in jail to join in the fight and cause as much mayhem . I can't believe we even thought Iraq was an aggressor in the first place . I mean seriously man , we took out there entire Army and Airforce out in the first gulf war with like 12 casualties .
LOL you call me a weak ass pussy liberal . At least I served my country , I got both Air Assault and Airborne wings and made expert with every weapon that I toutched . I was in the 10th Mountain Division - stock full of pussies let me tell you LOL . Like I said I was all for Bush and the war in Afghanistan . I was very pleased with it's out come . But that all changed when Bushy got too paronoid and fucked it all up with Iraq .
And yes I played football a few times . And I would exspect our military to have a plan for an outcome considering the fact that we taught the Taliban how to fight . We not only taugh the Taliban how to fight a Geurilla war but we taught them how to make IED's and sabatage . So why is it so fucking hard for military commanders to forsee the shit storm that we are dealing with today ? We also taught the Chechans the same things . They have schools and teach foreigners this crap and export it back to thier country . They post it online and now you have multiple attacks across the globe using the same techniques by radical islamists .
And we don't have a plan to deal with it huh ? Nice work Rummy , nice work . And you call me dumb . Bumb beyond belief .......
Go back to name calling . It's the only thing you write that makes any sence .
You say I bet they were thinking huh ? So look at the situation now . We invaded a country that didn't have any WMD . None at all . Now 2 countries within the " Axis of Evil " are openly defiying UN resolutions makeing nukes and flipping us the bird . We can't do anything about it . Not a damn thing . I never felt any threat from Saddams pissant lil Army nor he ability to attck the US ever . To think he would risk it all to attack us with a nuke is just fucking laughable . North Korea and Iran pose the real world threat and have the means to pull off a massive attack on the US . So I ask you , dose the situation look good now ?
Looks like your number 2 option worked out well though . We took baghdad in 3 weeks . Mission accomplished . But only 2100 casualties have been killing by roadside bombings , mortor attacks and sniper fire ect , ect since then . I guess this is the " sweating the small stuff " as you put it . So what exactly have we won ? Not a damn thing . Most of the Iraqi soldiers just took thier uniforms off and melted into the population and joined the insurgency . Not to mention Saddam released all prisioners in jail to join in the fight and cause as much mayhem . I can't believe we even thought Iraq was an aggressor in the first place . I mean seriously man , we took out there entire Army and Airforce out in the first gulf war with like 12 casualties .
LOL you call me a weak ass pussy liberal . At least I served my country , I got both Air Assault and Airborne wings and made expert with every weapon that I toutched . I was in the 10th Mountain Division - stock full of pussies let me tell you LOL . Like I said I was all for Bush and the war in Afghanistan . I was very pleased with it's out come . But that all changed when Bushy got too paronoid and fucked it all up with Iraq .
And yes I played football a few times . And I would exspect our military to have a plan for an outcome considering the fact that we taught the Taliban how to fight . We not only taugh the Taliban how to fight a Geurilla war but we taught them how to make IED's and sabatage . So why is it so fucking hard for military commanders to forsee the shit storm that we are dealing with today ? We also taught the Chechans the same things . They have schools and teach foreigners this crap and export it back to thier country . They post it online and now you have multiple attacks across the globe using the same techniques by radical islamists .
And we don't have a plan to deal with it huh ? Nice work Rummy , nice work . And you call me dumb . Bumb beyond belief .......
Go back to name calling . It's the only thing you write that makes any sence .
Hey johnnykill....scroll up to where i posted my opinion on North Korea and responde to it please ......I really wanna know if you and I might agree on itjonnykill wrote:
Wow it looks like I got your panties all up in a bunch there tough guy . So funny how mad you get and reply with name calling . Spoken like a true 3 year old . People usualy loose there cool when they have no idea WTF they are talking about . Your a pisser lol .
You say I bet they were thinking huh ? So look at the situation now . We invaded a country that didn't have any WMD . None at all . Now 2 countries within the " Axis of Evil " are openly defiying UN resolutions makeing nukes and flipping us the bird . We can't do anything about it . Not a damn thing . I never felt any threat from Saddams pissant lil Army nor he ability to attck the US ever . To think he would risk it all to attack us with a nuke is just fucking laughable . North Korea and Iran pose the real world threat and have the means to pull off a massive attack on the US . So I ask you , dose the situation look good now ?
Looks like your number 2 option worked out well though . We took baghdad in 3 weeks . Mission accomplished . But only 2100 casualties have been killing by roadside bombings , mortor attacks and sniper fire ect , ect since then . I guess this is the " sweating the small stuff " as you put it . So what exactly have we won ? Not a damn thing . Most of the Iraqi soldiers just took thier uniforms off and melted into the population and joined the insurgency . Not to mention Saddam released all prisioners in jail to join in the fight and cause as much mayhem . I can't believe we even thought Iraq was an aggressor in the first place . I mean seriously man , we took out there entire Army and Airforce out in the first gulf war with like 12 casualties .
LOL you call me a weak ass pussy liberal . At least I served my country , I got both Air Assault and Airborne wings and made expert with every weapon that I toutched . I was in the 10th Mountain Division - stock full of pussies let me tell you LOL . Like I said I was all for Bush and the war in Afghanistan . I was very pleased with it's out come . But that all changed when Bushy got too paronoid and fucked it all up with Iraq .
And yes I played football a few times . And I would exspect our military to have a plan for an outcome considering the fact that we taught the Taliban how to fight . We not only taugh the Taliban how to fight a Geurilla war but we taught them how to make IED's and sabatage . So why is it so fucking hard for military commanders to forsee the shit storm that we are dealing with today ? We also taught the Chechans the same things . They have schools and teach foreigners this crap and export it back to thier country . They post it online and now you have multiple attacks across the globe using the same techniques by radical islamists .
And we don't have a plan to deal with it huh ? Nice work Rummy , nice work . And you call me dumb . Bumb beyond belief .......
Go back to name calling . It's the only thing you write that makes any sence .
copy and paste it again or IM to me I can't find it .
here ya go
my personal take on North Korea is this, (and it is only an opinion I have no facts to back this up)
I think Norht Korea is not as great a threat as Iran because any attacks would only seal their own fate...I don't take North Korea as suicidal.......Iran and the Middle EAST on the other hand, are extremist and their perverted twist on reliegion has them as myrters and will get 70 virgins and all kindsa shit if the die killing infidels.......A people that love to die and are not afraid of it are by far a greater threat I think.........What is your take on it?
It isn't that the US thinks the Middle East is easy pickings for cheap victory, it simply those mother fuckers are crazy! and will do all they say they will do. that makes them the bigger threat.
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my personal take on North Korea is this, (and it is only an opinion I have no facts to back this up)
I think Norht Korea is not as great a threat as Iran because any attacks would only seal their own fate...I don't take North Korea as suicidal.......Iran and the Middle EAST on the other hand, are extremist and their perverted twist on reliegion has them as myrters and will get 70 virgins and all kindsa shit if the die killing infidels.......A people that love to die and are not afraid of it are by far a greater threat I think.........What is your take on it?
It isn't that the US thinks the Middle East is easy pickings for cheap victory, it simply those mother fuckers are crazy! and will do all they say they will do. that makes them the bigger threat.
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North Korea's take on nuclear arms is "We have the nukes and we're not going to get rid of them, because if we have an idea the U.S. is going to invade we will use them in self defense". Now that's a direct threat. Iran is were making nuclear plants for power and maybe a few missles. Now I used the "" for paraphrasing and they seem like a much more willing participant in taking on the U.S.
Butttttttttttttt since the US isn't going ot invade North Korea, then there really isn't a threat to deal with based on what you are saying..............and...............if that is what you are saying......North Korea would be a back burner issue right??cpt.fass1 wrote:
North Korea's take on nuclear arms is "We have the nukes and we're not going to get rid of them, because if we have an idea the U.S. is going to invade we will use them in self defense". Now that's a direct threat. Iran is were making nuclear plants for power and maybe a few missles. Now I used the "" for paraphrasing and they seem like a much more willing participant in taking on the U.S.
Lowing : Granted you can take any threat that Kim Jong Il makes towards the US with a grain salt the FACT that they ARE making nukes is disturbing and the FACT that the UN seems unavailable to do anything about it is also . I just saw the other day a program on TV , History Channel , about North Korea and all of the human rights issues about the political prisons and the tourture methods going on in them . They interviewed a General in the Army and the shit he was talking was no different then any radical Islamist . He was talking about how the US is going to drop nukes on them in a pre-emptive strike and went on and on about how the evil US this and that . They even had a small 9 year old boy calling for Bushes death . This is mass propaganda backed by fear and repression , again no different them Shiria law in a Muslim country in my view . Both are extreme , both radical , both flood the masses with stories of thier " enemy is coming to get you " bullshit .
The same damn thing president Bush did with Iraq .
Iran though , what else is there to say . The president of Iran is a radical Muslim fundie . He says Isreal needs to be wiped off the map . He even belives the second coming of the what ever the fuck is coming to bless him lol . I don't know , hell I forgot exactly what he said , dosen't matter . The guy is off his rocker and the FACT is , he is making nukes . Just today they he gave his offical statement back to the UN - we are definitely making nukes . I'm sorry but I never felt any threat from Iraq . But I do feel threatened by 2 countries making nukes , breaking rules and openly threatening the US and it's allies . Funny thing is the UN inspected the hell out of Iraq over years time . Nothing was found . We blew off the UN and international community and STILL found nothing . So Horsey Horse - why are we in Iraq again and why do you support Bushy Bush's propaganda ?
The same damn thing president Bush did with Iraq .
Iran though , what else is there to say . The president of Iran is a radical Muslim fundie . He says Isreal needs to be wiped off the map . He even belives the second coming of the what ever the fuck is coming to bless him lol . I don't know , hell I forgot exactly what he said , dosen't matter . The guy is off his rocker and the FACT is , he is making nukes . Just today they he gave his offical statement back to the UN - we are definitely making nukes . I'm sorry but I never felt any threat from Iraq . But I do feel threatened by 2 countries making nukes , breaking rules and openly threatening the US and it's allies . Funny thing is the UN inspected the hell out of Iraq over years time . Nothing was found . We blew off the UN and international community and STILL found nothing . So Horsey Horse - why are we in Iraq again and why do you support Bushy Bush's propaganda ?
OK ..............well what is it you suggest we do about North Korea? and Iran??
I have no clue at all . I feel like we are on a tightrope here and the wind is picking up . I don't like the position we are in and I don't care for this " Good vs Evil " bullshit . We invade Iraq and then pick a fight with 3 other countries , the " axis of Evil " and now 2 of them are making nukes and now openly threatening us . WTF over ? There isn't much we can do as this point .
If we invade Iran I don't know what will happen but I can see it going down just like invading Iraq . We will take the country in 3-4 weeks killing off thier entire military capability and kill or capture the President of Iran and toss him in court . Then there will be a following insrugency and Al Quada will join in and the whole process will start over . Ask me , Isreal should flip the bill and attack since they are in Irans sights more then we are . I'm not afriad of Iran at all militarily speaking . It would be mutual destruction at best . What scares me the most is that Iran or North Korean could sell terrorists a dirty bomb or worse and hit America without getting it's hands dirty .
Invading North Korea would be a blood bath for both sides . The terrian favores the North Koreans for sure . No dout in my mind they have a vast underground military reserve . The civillian poulation would fight to the last man . Poor bastards are so brainwashed and manyical it isn't even funny .
If we invade Iran I don't know what will happen but I can see it going down just like invading Iraq . We will take the country in 3-4 weeks killing off thier entire military capability and kill or capture the President of Iran and toss him in court . Then there will be a following insrugency and Al Quada will join in and the whole process will start over . Ask me , Isreal should flip the bill and attack since they are in Irans sights more then we are . I'm not afriad of Iran at all militarily speaking . It would be mutual destruction at best . What scares me the most is that Iran or North Korean could sell terrorists a dirty bomb or worse and hit America without getting it's hands dirty .
Invading North Korea would be a blood bath for both sides . The terrian favores the North Koreans for sure . No dout in my mind they have a vast underground military reserve . The civillian poulation would fight to the last man . Poor bastards are so brainwashed and manyical it isn't even funny .
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We need to convince China to knock off the North Koreans, that way they take any casualties and it might convince them that taking Taiwan won't be so easy. I figure it's in their best interest anyway, if more of their neighbors obtain nukes then they become less powerful in comparison, and letting North Korea get nukes may lead to an arms race with their neighbours that they would prefer not to have since it would divert resources away from their conventional military. I have heard talk that a nuclear armed North Korea might make the Japanese reconsider their stance on nuclear weapons, something that will make the Chinese very anxious and dangerous.
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YOU HYPOCRITE!!!jonnykill wrote:
I have no clue at all . I feel like we are on a tightrope here and the wind is picking up . I don't like the position we are in and I don't care for this " Good vs Evil " bullshit . We invade Iraq and then pick a fight with 3 other countries , the " axis of Evil " and now 2 of them are making nukes and now openly threatening us . WTF over ? There isn't much we can do as this point .
If we invade Iran I don't know what will happen but I can see it going down just like invading Iraq . We will take the country in 3-4 weeks killing off thier entire military capability and kill or capture the President of Iran and toss him in court . Then there will be a following insrugency and Al Quada will join in and the whole process will start over . Ask me , Isreal should flip the bill and attack since they are in Irans sights more then we are . I'm not afriad of Iran at all militarily speaking . It would be mutual destruction at best . What scares me the most is that Iran or North Korean could sell terrorists a dirty bomb or worse and hit America without getting it's hands dirty .
Invading North Korea would be a blood bath for both sides . The terrian favores the North Koreans for sure . No dout in my mind they have a vast underground military reserve . The civillian poulation would fight to the last man . Poor bastards are so brainwashed and manyical it isn't even funny .
You berate people for not doing anything about it or not caring, and that's your response?!
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
come on. You cannot expect any of us to provide a solution to such a complex issue. We are only discussing our opinions here.
Or do you know what to do ?
Or do you know what to do ?
well believe me, Spark and I never agree on a thing...........but, I think the point he is trying to make is......If you don't have a solution to a problem, don't bitch about someone elses solution...........which happens to be classic democratic trademark in America..........Spark if I am all wrong please please correct me, I have no intention of speaking FOR you.
To Johnykill, Sorry I cursed you out.
I got you mixed up with that other "Trailer park guy " who was cursing me out. I apologize.
Ps you got a good resume too. VT or NY? VTRANG 150 ATC, ever give you a Ride?
other than that, I stand my ground. There was Sarin gas " WMD". You wanted another flavor?
and did you really think they would leave everything intact and labeled for us to find?
Did you forget the training bases complete with Airliners For The " Hijacking 101 Classes " we found in Iraq?
They Ran out of Suicide Bombers and now they are reduced to putting out road side bombs. Which kill just as many of their own?
This pisses off the locals. Who know who is responsible and who is wasting their lives. They know the score.
The Army joined the insurgency? You have this on what authority? I bet some did but it doesn't seem like their are a lot of insurgents out there.
LA is more Dangerous than the entire country of Iraq. and it is a WAR after all.
Are the insurgents as successful as the German U Boats sinking ships 20 minutes out of NY harbor?
Are the insurgents as successful as the Japanese Kamikazes?
Are the insurgents as successful as the North Koreans were?
Can you imaging if We bailed on W.W.II before the Normandy landing because the Germans were blowing up a jeep a week in Italy.
Why are these shitty third world nations giving us the Finger?
Because they always got away with it with clinton, He taught them they could hit us anytime with impunity.
But with Iraq lost to them.. (a 20 th century Arab country ) they lost a lot. They lost a power base. They lost a training area. they lost a refugee.
Terrorist live like catfish in a huge muddy swamp, Hard to see them. But now the Swamp they live in is only 8 inches deep and getting shallower.
They move slow or we will see the wake. ( lets face it the haven't been back to The USA, did clinton acomplish even that? )
They cannot use standard communication equipment without us listening in and are reduced to "Man Currier" systems with truly sensitive information.
It is slow. 200 years ago slow. Roman Empire slow. This information must now take a circuitous route around Iraq to be safe. It is also very susceptible to bribes as the lowly currier " not slated for one of the top slots in the corporation" may just decide he wants a taste of that 25 million.
Its a shitty deal but it was the hand he was dealt and the Other guy " clinton " wouldn't pick it up.
North Korea? They are at least a nation. Easier to target. They have an infrastructure to ruin. The USAF is licking its chops to take on that war.
Kim jong ill or what ever his name is lives in a very beautiful palace. " Not as nice as Sadams tho"
I am sure Kim jon ill ( Sp lol ) took notice to the fact that Saddam at one point was living in a hole with shit stained undies and Roaches in his beard.
I am not sure this image of a mighty, lofty, pampered prince reduce to less than a homeless bum in NYC is lost on him.
The Terror Groups are smart enough to go after the Weakest Heartless countries first rather than fighting Us all at once.
Look at all the Countries that bailed on the coalition once the going got tough " like Spain, etc. " why should we not do the same exact thing ?
Go after the Weakest first. We didn't go right into Germany, we picked it apart one piece at a time. Italy joined our side as did the French.
They are smart enough to know they can only beat us at home, in the papers and by swaying our elections like Spain,
Do you really think Spain is going to be safe now and forever from them?
Just like Vietnam, if they can get people sick of it, Fool enough people into thinking its not going well, or make us lose or will and solidarity, They will win and Then Things will be Berserk. Think its bad now? Lose the War or Elect an " Anti Bush " and see what happens.
It will be open season on any American anywhere.
Do you really believe That al Qeuda and the Taliban aren't praying for another clinton gore or kerry or better still?
They HATE Bush and you know why. He returned their violence ten fold..... Finally
I got you mixed up with that other "Trailer park guy " who was cursing me out. I apologize.
Ps you got a good resume too. VT or NY? VTRANG 150 ATC, ever give you a Ride?
other than that, I stand my ground. There was Sarin gas " WMD". You wanted another flavor?
and did you really think they would leave everything intact and labeled for us to find?
Did you forget the training bases complete with Airliners For The " Hijacking 101 Classes " we found in Iraq?
They Ran out of Suicide Bombers and now they are reduced to putting out road side bombs. Which kill just as many of their own?
This pisses off the locals. Who know who is responsible and who is wasting their lives. They know the score.
The Army joined the insurgency? You have this on what authority? I bet some did but it doesn't seem like their are a lot of insurgents out there.
LA is more Dangerous than the entire country of Iraq. and it is a WAR after all.
Are the insurgents as successful as the German U Boats sinking ships 20 minutes out of NY harbor?
Are the insurgents as successful as the Japanese Kamikazes?
Are the insurgents as successful as the North Koreans were?
Can you imaging if We bailed on W.W.II before the Normandy landing because the Germans were blowing up a jeep a week in Italy.
Why are these shitty third world nations giving us the Finger?
Because they always got away with it with clinton, He taught them they could hit us anytime with impunity.
But with Iraq lost to them.. (a 20 th century Arab country ) they lost a lot. They lost a power base. They lost a training area. they lost a refugee.
Terrorist live like catfish in a huge muddy swamp, Hard to see them. But now the Swamp they live in is only 8 inches deep and getting shallower.
They move slow or we will see the wake. ( lets face it the haven't been back to The USA, did clinton acomplish even that? )
They cannot use standard communication equipment without us listening in and are reduced to "Man Currier" systems with truly sensitive information.
It is slow. 200 years ago slow. Roman Empire slow. This information must now take a circuitous route around Iraq to be safe. It is also very susceptible to bribes as the lowly currier " not slated for one of the top slots in the corporation" may just decide he wants a taste of that 25 million.
Its a shitty deal but it was the hand he was dealt and the Other guy " clinton " wouldn't pick it up.
North Korea? They are at least a nation. Easier to target. They have an infrastructure to ruin. The USAF is licking its chops to take on that war.
Kim jong ill or what ever his name is lives in a very beautiful palace. " Not as nice as Sadams tho"
I am sure Kim jon ill ( Sp lol ) took notice to the fact that Saddam at one point was living in a hole with shit stained undies and Roaches in his beard.
I am not sure this image of a mighty, lofty, pampered prince reduce to less than a homeless bum in NYC is lost on him.
The Terror Groups are smart enough to go after the Weakest Heartless countries first rather than fighting Us all at once.
Look at all the Countries that bailed on the coalition once the going got tough " like Spain, etc. " why should we not do the same exact thing ?
Go after the Weakest first. We didn't go right into Germany, we picked it apart one piece at a time. Italy joined our side as did the French.
They are smart enough to know they can only beat us at home, in the papers and by swaying our elections like Spain,
Do you really think Spain is going to be safe now and forever from them?
Just like Vietnam, if they can get people sick of it, Fool enough people into thinking its not going well, or make us lose or will and solidarity, They will win and Then Things will be Berserk. Think its bad now? Lose the War or Elect an " Anti Bush " and see what happens.
It will be open season on any American anywhere.
Do you really believe That al Qeuda and the Taliban aren't praying for another clinton gore or kerry or better still?
They HATE Bush and you know why. He returned their violence ten fold..... Finally
Uh. Yeah, pretty much man. Well put.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SarinHorseman 77 wrote:
To Johnykill, Sorry I cursed you out.
I got you mixed up with that other "Trailer park guy " who was cursing me out. I apologize.
Ps you got a good resume too. VT or NY? VTRANG 150 ATC, ever give you a Ride?
other than that, I stand my ground. There was Sarin gas " WMD". You wanted another flavor?
and did you really think they would leave everything intact and labeled for us to find?
Did you forget the training bases complete with Airliners For The " Hijacking 101 Classes " we found in Iraq?
They Ran out of Suicide Bombers and now they are reduced to putting out road side bombs. Which kill just as many of their own?
This pisses off the locals. Who know who is responsible and who is wasting their lives. They know the score.
The Army joined the insurgency? You have this on what authority? I bet some did but it doesn't seem like their are a lot of insurgents out there.
LA is more Dangerous than the entire country of Iraq. and it is a WAR after all.
Are the insurgents as successful as the German U Boats sinking ships 20 minutes out of NY harbor?
Are the insurgents as successful as the Japanese Kamikazes?
Are the insurgents as successful as the North Koreans were?
Can you imaging if We bailed on W.W.II before the Normandy landing because the Germans were blowing up a jeep a week in Italy.
Why are these shitty third world nations giving us the Finger?
Because they always got away with it with clinton, He taught them they could hit us anytime with impunity.
But with Iraq lost to them.. (a 20 th century Arab country ) they lost a lot. They lost a power base. They lost a training area. they lost a refugee.
Terrorist live like catfish in a huge muddy swamp, Hard to see them. But now the Swamp they live in is only 8 inches deep and getting shallower.
They move slow or we will see the wake. ( lets face it the haven't been back to The USA, did clinton acomplish even that? )
They cannot use standard communication equipment without us listening in and are reduced to "Man Currier" systems with truly sensitive information.
It is slow. 200 years ago slow. Roman Empire slow. This information must now take a circuitous route around Iraq to be safe. It is also very susceptible to bribes as the lowly currier " not slated for one of the top slots in the corporation" may just decide he wants a taste of that 25 million.
Its a shitty deal but it was the hand he was dealt and the Other guy " clinton " wouldn't pick it up.
North Korea? They are at least a nation. Easier to target. They have an infrastructure to ruin. The USAF is licking its chops to take on that war.
Kim jong ill or what ever his name is lives in a very beautiful palace. " Not as nice as Sadams tho"
I am sure Kim jon ill ( Sp lol ) took notice to the fact that Saddam at one point was living in a hole with shit stained undies and Roaches in his beard.
I am not sure this image of a mighty, lofty, pampered prince reduce to less than a homeless bum in NYC is lost on him.
The Terror Groups are smart enough to go after the Weakest Heartless countries first rather than fighting Us all at once.
Look at all the Countries that bailed on the coalition once the going got tough " like Spain, etc. " why should we not do the same exact thing ?
Go after the Weakest first. We didn't go right into Germany, we picked it apart one piece at a time. Italy joined our side as did the French.
They are smart enough to know they can only beat us at home, in the papers and by swaying our elections like Spain,
Do you really think Spain is going to be safe now and forever from them?
Just like Vietnam, if they can get people sick of it, Fool enough people into thinking its not going well, or make us lose or will and solidarity, They will win and Then Things will be Berserk. Think its bad now? Lose the War or Elect an " Anti Bush " and see what happens.
It will be open season on any American anywhere.
Do you really believe That al Qeuda and the Taliban aren't praying for another clinton gore or kerry or better still?
They HATE Bush and you know why. He returned their violence ten fold..... Finally
Check out this link on the shelf life of sarin gas.
Bush wins again - Senate Judiciary Committee said, "If a court refuses a FISA application and there is not sufficient time for the president to go to the court of review, the president can under executive order act unilaterally, which he is doing now."
Also, just this week five former FISA judges said that Bush's actions were entirely appropriate and legal.
Libs got owned.
Also, just this week five former FISA judges said that Bush's actions were entirely appropriate and legal.
Libs got owned.