Last edited by *ToRRo*cT| (2006-04-05 04:28:13)
tone it down a bit, will ya ? no need to get personal in here. Horseman's posts sometimes make me angry too, ( it is most likely his choice of words ) but it is best to concentrate on the points he makes, because those usually make sense. Swearing at him won't help support your point.Sinyukov wrote:
Wow you flaming fucktard,Horseman 77 wrote:
Angy russian boy longing for the glory days of communisim says
" Only what you heard or read in simulation (which is bullshit for both of them). I stand by my decision that you cannot judge a these tanks until you them in combat against eath other with properly trained crew. Only then the decision can be made. "
The Abrams and Challanger were tested in combat, In fact even or old M60 tanks did really well againts your T72 in Isralia hands ( I realize they have some Very Elite fighting forces who could fuck you up with just a paper clip But still ) To my knowledge Not 1 Abrams has been lost to Enemy fire. There are cases of Russian armor being knocked out by The Abrams gunner seeing the Ariel antenna of the T72 hiding behind a sand dune and shooting through the sand dune to kill it.
There have been cases where an Abrams shot at a T72 and killed the one behind it also with the sams SABOT round penatrating both. Both had catastophic turret faliur ( popped off ala BF42 DC )
An Abrams that was egnited and burned for 12 hours found the Crew alive and well and a little bored. Tank was ready to go.
Let me ask you Honestly Which tank would you want?
Russias best or Americas best.. Be honest, There is a poll on this also, Check the results... bring tissue..
if they havent made it yet Can you get a Beta Version ? you can get that on the black market right ?
You go on the threads, talk shit about the world and provide no facts to back it up. There is no point to talk to people like you, because they live in their own beliefs and attack those who they think superior to them/affraid of. You apperantly have no idea about the comments that you have made so I will tell you what:
IF YOU DO NOT PROVIDE THE FACTS TO BACKING UP YOUR CLAIMS REGADING RUSSIAN TRAINING EQUIPMENT, SUBMARINE FLEETS OR WHERE AK CAME FROM THEN THERE IS NO POINT OF TALKING OR HAVING ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION WITH YOU YOU NAZI WANNABE PRICK. YOU WANT TO TALK SHIT ABOUT JEWS GO TO YOUR KKK BUDDIES AND TALK TO THEM ASSWIPE. NOW IF YOU WANT TO STOP TALKING SHIT AND START NORMALLY DISCUSSING THE TOPIC THEN READ FURTHER IF NOT THEN STFU.
P.S. Honestly I do not care which tank is better or which arsenal is better I was having a discussion with the other guy who actually knows what he is talking about. Also America did not succeed in making that a Democracy as South Vietnam fell and at least for a short period of time Communism still ruled. Maybe you want to say that America played a big part in getting rid of Communism in Russia? If so you are an idiot. Communism fell apart because of the people living in those countries not America taking it out of the world. That is the kind of government that does not last because of the limits it has for those people. I never agreed with Communism in the first place, I never agreed with all the pointless wars that USSR was in its days, but I will agree with one thing and that is USSR was one of two WORLD POWERS before its fall in 1991. (Second being America). If you think otherwise then why exactly was there a COLD WAR between the two countries? HINT: It had nothing to do with what kind of government they had.
SPOILER: BECAUSE BOTH COUNTRIES WERE AFRAID OF EACH OTHER ATTACKING THAT IS WHY THERE WAS A CONSTANT STAND OFF (etc. Cuban Missile Crisis, constant spying on USSR BY AMERICA).
Now going to the tank claims T-72 was made in 1972 which made abrams 14 younger and technology better. Iraq also had an early export version of T-80 which was released in 1980 which was 4 years older then Iraqi tanks and was completely outdated. Iraq never had a T-90 as it was never made for export so you cannot claim that Abrams destroyed it as it was never in combat against it. Personally I do not care whether T-90 is better or ABRAMS is better because they have their own purposes and in some cases one will be better then the other.
Concerning small arms. If you say that AK was ripped off M1GARAND then I can also say that all American/european weaponry is ripped off from early Germany assault arsenal. Including smgs, mgs, and assault rifles as they were the first country to produce a fully automatic weapon. That includes RPGs which came from PANZERSHRECK and PANZERFAUST versions. My point in this is that just because weapons are made looking like something doesn't mean they were ripped off.
OH yeah and I am glad that communism is gone and don't miss it a little bit just like any other Russian person on here who is old enough to remember those days so you do not need to go around flaming every russian poster on here to prove them wrong. All you need to do is post your facts (like I said if it is common knoweledge then they should not be hard to find on google) and back up your point of view. This is what these forums are made for. People stating their view on the world and not flaming people who are from a different countries. We both have different educations. You have one I have another. We have different points of view on things. I am sure that if you show me some facts then I will see something I don't know and I am positive that you have learned something out of those posts.
thank you bothhorseman_77 wrote:
Angry russian boy longing for the glory days of communisim says..
lmao...*ToRRo*cT| wrote:
Schließen Sie dieses kindische Spiel
so we have a dutch guy living in spain talking english and german to a german moderator in an american-based forum.....*ToRRo*cT| wrote:
Ich bin holländisch, aber mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht schriftlich
to make it clear. I,m Dutch who happens to be living in spain
so do i my friend.B.Schuss wrote:
so we have a dutch guy living in spain talking english and german to a german moderator in an american-based forum.....*ToRRo*cT| wrote:
Ich bin holländisch, aber mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht schriftlich
to make it clear. I,m Dutch who happens to be living in spain
I love the internet...
if you read back or check any other thread I am in you will see I never fly off the handle unless some use 4 letter words at me like ARB here. Thanks though for the warning I will comply.B.Schuss wrote:
Angry russian boy longing for the glory days of communisim says.
thank you both
Last edited by voltage (2006-04-08 06:52:18)
hmmmvoltage wrote:
Does the US have a stealth corvette (yet)?
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/visby/
Pretty awesome, flies smooth as butter.Friluftshund wrote:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3915394598996873461&q=su+37
i havn't got any specs - but that video looks sick!!!
French Marine Nationale has 5 "stealth" (in fact, they're more like "low radar signature" style than real stealth) frigates from the first generation (you can see the first model of them in a James Bond movie : Goldeneye). Most European countries plan to built some more.voltage wrote:
Does the US have a stealth corvette (yet)?
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/visby/
We use Heckler and Koch dumbass.Eckzack wrote:
Heckler & Koch... nuff said
And pretty much all the people who are good at operating there weapon system are our allies.B.Schuss wrote:
It's always difficult to judge whose weapon systems are better. It is obvious though that the US invests more in their hardware simply because they are the one country who is most likely to use it on a regular basis. That's the main reason why especially their Jets and Bombers are top-notch.
Also, and I believe that is even more important than the equipment itself is the state of training and combat experience of the troops operating the hardware. In that regard, the quality of the US forces is unmatched. Most soldiers will indeed have actual combat experience with the weapon system they are using, while most European soldiers - as good as the equipment may be - mostly haven't used it in a real conflict.
In the end, it will always be the quality of the crew that will make the difference if the equipment is kind of the same. And in that regard, no training can beat out actual combat experience.
and yes, I know that europeans are fighting in the war on terror and stuff, but not in the kind of numbers the americans do. In general, the US soldier will have more combat experience.
With that said, here is my list:
Air Force/Jets - US is way better
Navy - same as above
APC's / MBT's - all are level. quality of the crew makes the difference
Small Arms - I'll give H&K G36 a slight edge over the M16 / L85A, but that's only in a technology sense.
In the end, it all comes down to who is better at operating the weapon.
Last edited by Phantom2828 (2006-11-05 13:24:31)
Last edited by Naughty_Om (2006-11-05 13:37:52)
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The only other contender i see is - North Korea + Iran. combined would be impossible to defeat.
whats the sad face for...(if oyu made that, PROPS) think about it. 2 nuke owning nations. with militaries that are on par. Sizes are large. Funding is easy. for america alone, it would be very difficult.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
..............,-~*'`¯lllllll`*~,._Naughty_Om wrote:
The only other contender i see is - North Korea + Iran. combined would be impossible to defeat.
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