Factor in the fact that if your XXX is " Really Good ! " The USA has 250 times more XXXXs than you have.
Guaranteed!
Guaranteed!
Haha, look at those japanese soldier saluting with rifles, the first one is wearing make up haarhharhahr..
Btw, i really admire japan, i think im gonna choose japanese as my fifth language in school
Btw, i really admire japan, i think im gonna choose japanese as my fifth language in school
Yes, the music is from Pirates - but that music is composed by Klaus Badelt (with Hans Zimmer watching over his shoulder)boomshagalaga wrote:
Pirates of the Carribean(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
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PS.: I love Hans Zimmer's musics
PPS: Recognize the starting and ending scenes?
And I think he is referring to the BF2 intro and outro shot of the globe...
what are the other 4 you can speak ?Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
Haha, look at those japanese soldier saluting with rifles, the first one is wearing make up haarhharhahr..
Btw, i really admire japan, i think im gonna choose japanese as my fifth language in school
Aircrafts which cannot be compared to others : F-22, F-35, F-117, B-2 and B-1B : they are the best in their categories.
Swedish (Dunno if that counts since it's my mother tounge)Horseman 77 wrote:
what are the other 4 you can speak ?Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
Haha, look at those japanese soldier saluting with rifles, the first one is wearing make up haarhharhahr..
Btw, i really admire japan, i think im gonna choose japanese as my fifth language in school
Danish
English
German
Wow, that reminds me on the old Godzilla movies when they send out theyr whole army to defeat Godzilla and he smash them like ants(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
here is a video about japan forces:
http://media.putfile.com/Japan_self_defence_forces_mov_01
They obviously not superior, but they have some nice things, dont they?
PS.: I love Hans Zimmer's musics
PPS: Recognize the starting and ending scenes?
i am farily sure AIDS alone has killed more people than died in comabt in WW2 ...Friluftshund wrote:
how nice would you be if we didn't have to use these things? j/kBerserk_Vampire wrote:
I see alot of talk about whos army is better and whos tanks are better but we should be talking about how i'd be nice if we all didnt have to use these vechiles on people and each other.
Remember boobs over bullets.
Im with you tho - make love, not war
Make war not love ... it is safer.
AIDS never killed anyone, diseases caused by it did.Schutzengel wrote:
i am farily sure AIDS alone has killed more people than died in comabt in WW2 ...Friluftshund wrote:
how nice would you be if we didn't have to use these things? j/kBerserk_Vampire wrote:
I see alot of talk about whos army is better and whos tanks are better but we should be talking about how i'd be nice if we all didnt have to use these vechiles on people and each other.
Remember boobs over bullets.
Im with you tho - make love, not war
Make war not love ... it is safer.
AIDS doesn't cause any diseases. It merely disables your defense against them.Corrupt wrote:
AIDS never killed anyone, diseases caused by it did.Schutzengel wrote:
i am farily sure AIDS alone has killed more people than died in comabt in WW2 ...Friluftshund wrote:
how nice would you be if we didn't have to use these things? j/k
Im with you tho - make love, not war
Make war not love ... it is safer.
I know you already knew this (if you didn't you should go hang yourself right away), but I thought since you took the time to correct Schutzengel's statement, I might as well take the time to correct yours.
Lmao! Ya got me there...you even used correct grammer DAMN YOU!!!!!!Rosse_modest wrote:
AIDS doesn't cause any diseases. It merely disables your defense against them.Corrupt wrote:
AIDS never killed anyone, diseases caused by it did.Schutzengel wrote:
i am farily sure AIDS alone has killed more people than died in comabt in WW2 ...
Make war not love ... it is safer.
I know you already knew this (if you didn't you should go hang yourself right away), but I thought since you took the time to correct Schutzengel's statement, I might as well take the time to correct yours.
I'm curious how many folks here who are judging the various weapon systems actually have experience with them? Particularly with the rifles.
I LOVE the M4. I don't particluarly like the AK-47. This opinion is based on actual use.
I understand that many members of the SAS, who can use any rifle in the world, choose to use the M-16. That speaks very well of the weapon to me, because I have a great deal of respect for them.
When folks here say the M-16 is crap, especially folks from countries which do not allow them to have weapons, I wonder, "How do they know?" I haven't had any particularly bad experiences with the M-16. In fact, I'm rather fond of it.
Can't compare it to the H-Ks etc, because I have never fired them. Some Brits I ran into in Iraq liked our M4s better than their rifles. I haven't fired the British rifle, so I can't say.
Anyway, when folks say X weapon system is shit, please tell us on what you are basing that opinion.
I LOVE the M4. I don't particluarly like the AK-47. This opinion is based on actual use.
I understand that many members of the SAS, who can use any rifle in the world, choose to use the M-16. That speaks very well of the weapon to me, because I have a great deal of respect for them.
When folks here say the M-16 is crap, especially folks from countries which do not allow them to have weapons, I wonder, "How do they know?" I haven't had any particularly bad experiences with the M-16. In fact, I'm rather fond of it.
Can't compare it to the H-Ks etc, because I have never fired them. Some Brits I ran into in Iraq liked our M4s better than their rifles. I haven't fired the British rifle, so I can't say.
Anyway, when folks say X weapon system is shit, please tell us on what you are basing that opinion.
In any given year some nation's piece (1) of equipment may excel and be considered the best in the world. That never lasts. The worlds defense contractors need new contracts. Saying some tank or jet is better than US's is moot. Because, unless something changed 5 minutes ago, U.S. wars are not fought by single assets but by our modern (1990+) Warfighting Systems that include interoperative ground/sea/air/space advanced high quality technologies (this is called Teamwork btw). When you fight U.S. forces it will never be a 1v1 tank duel unless you first survive the opening of a million cans of U.S./allied whoopass.
I guess there is an argument for a 1v1 match up. It might have been funny to see Pres. GW Bush in his F16 or even his Dad in his P-47 go at it with Sadam and his AK-47 to decide the outcome of the Gulf Wars.
P.S. @ilyandor as a tanker I don't like the seating arrangement in that Black Eagle tank but the profile is awesome. It just looks like a decapitation bucket to me. A big problem for the 2 crew members in the hull if something gets stuck in the turret during a rolling-terrain, moving, 360 degree engagement area (like the Stepps or Kansas). And lol remember the auto-loader in the T-64 was it? the one that would grab the gunners arm and shove it into the main gun breach....
I guess there is an argument for a 1v1 match up. It might have been funny to see Pres. GW Bush in his F16 or even his Dad in his P-47 go at it with Sadam and his AK-47 to decide the outcome of the Gulf Wars.
P.S. @ilyandor as a tanker I don't like the seating arrangement in that Black Eagle tank but the profile is awesome. It just looks like a decapitation bucket to me. A big problem for the 2 crew members in the hull if something gets stuck in the turret during a rolling-terrain, moving, 360 degree engagement area (like the Stepps or Kansas). And lol remember the auto-loader in the T-64 was it? the one that would grab the gunners arm and shove it into the main gun breach....
There is so much stuff better than US stuff but for a start...
Patriot vs Ancient Greek Slingshot.... I think you have more chances to hit a flying missile with slingshot than with Patriot but seriously S300 or Satan beats Patriot anytime...
[primarily i would agree that we needs to set comparable, quatifiable standards for evalutaion and developing an evaluation scheme with clear grading that will help us to objectively judge different weapons]
Patriot vs Ancient Greek Slingshot.... I think you have more chances to hit a flying missile with slingshot than with Patriot but seriously S300 or Satan beats Patriot anytime...
[primarily i would agree that we needs to set comparable, quatifiable standards for evalutaion and developing an evaluation scheme with clear grading that will help us to objectively judge different weapons]
Yeah its a pity your selling that technology to the Americans, damn traitor have'nt some shaddy characters from GRU(Thats military intelligence I think?) sorted you out yet? lol, just kidding!!ilyandor wrote:
http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/5pansar/5 … niritn.jpg
Challanger 2??? LOL...the Black Eagle will eat it for breakfast!
-no matter what us BF2 geeks say, Russian technology is the best...
That tank looks amazing, id imagine shells fly of its turret, its so sloped!!
But isnt the T-90 the lastest Russian MBT, there's an export version the T-94 and ive even read about a T-10
(granted I think it was in a Tom Clancy book, so im not sure how reliable it is!)
Thanks.
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According to these stats, except the godlike Raptor, American fighters are no match for Su-35's last generation. Wow ! Hope Iran doesn't have Su-35 cause invasion would be quite harder than Iraq's (yes, I believe that US will attack Iran soon).Results:
F-22 Raptor 10.1:1
Eurofighter Typhoon 4.5:1
Dassault Rafale C 1.0:1
Sukhoi Su-35 'Flanker' 1.0:1
F-15C Eagle 0.8:1
Boeing F/A-18+ 0.4:1
F/A-18C 0.3:1
F-16C 0.3:1
As for the Black Eagle, it's a modified and very improved T-80UM, weight around 50 tons, auto-loader shells system, 125mm smoothbore cannon (10-12 rpm), but it's nearly a top secret project between Russia and South Korea. And it's not GURU but GRU !But isnt the T-90 the lastest Russian MBT, there's an export version the T-94 and ive even read about a T-10
(granted I think it was in a Tom Clancy book, so im not sure how reliable it is!)
lol thanks but il deny I ever made that mistake by editing, lol!
H&K above all.
MBT Leopard the same (Germany has one of the largest forces of MBTs - senseless, but impressing).
EF 2000 is a nice piece of development, but if the US had spent that much money in a project, it would be the same, I guess. Have in mind that the EF 2000 is developed since 1986 or smth. like that.
Mercedes G "Wolf" > Humvee: It depends.
Mercedes/Rheinmetall AGF ("Aufklärungs- und Gefechtsfahrzeug" = Recon and Combat verhicle) above every comparable system.
Tiger Helo - no question about it.
NH 90 is a nice, but hardly comparable to other helos.
German Torpedo Systems are far beyond every other.
That's what I have in mind right now.
A shame that Germany gets so little numbers of their own developments.
MBT Leopard the same (Germany has one of the largest forces of MBTs - senseless, but impressing).
EF 2000 is a nice piece of development, but if the US had spent that much money in a project, it would be the same, I guess. Have in mind that the EF 2000 is developed since 1986 or smth. like that.
Mercedes G "Wolf" > Humvee: It depends.
Mercedes/Rheinmetall AGF ("Aufklärungs- und Gefechtsfahrzeug" = Recon and Combat verhicle) above every comparable system.
Tiger Helo - no question about it.
NH 90 is a nice, but hardly comparable to other helos.
German Torpedo Systems are far beyond every other.
That's what I have in mind right now.
A shame that Germany gets so little numbers of their own developments.
Given that Patriot was not designed to shoot down missiles, I think it did remarkably well. Additionally, it has been upgraded since the Gulf war, but has not seen action. So, frankly, none of us know what it is capable of doing now. You are basing your judgement on 15 year old data.1234BGD wrote:
I think you have more chances to hit a flying missile with slingshot than with Patriot
You guys saying Black Eagle is the best tank...you are basing that on? Yeah it looks cool. Great. That doesn't make it a great tank. Yeah, it has a lot of slope, great. That won't protect it from half the weapons out there designed to defeat that. Don't just say "It looks cool, it must be better", give quantifiable reasons please.
How many of these have you used? Have you fired any other rifles? Have you fired an HK?WolfSheep wrote:
H&K above all.
MBT Leopard the same (Germany has one of the largest forces of MBTs - senseless, but impressing).
EF 2000 is a nice piece of development, but if the US had spent that much money in a project, it would be the same, I guess. Have in mind that the EF 2000 is developed since 1986 or smth. like that.
Mercedes G "Wolf" > Humvee: It depends.
Mercedes/Rheinmetall AGF ("Aufklärungs- und Gefechtsfahrzeug" = Recon and Combat verhicle) above every comparable system.
Tiger Helo - no question about it.
NH 90 is a nice, but hardly comparable to other helos.
German Torpedo Systems are far beyond every other.
What do you base these judgements upon?
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It was sold to Israel in order to protect them against Scuds... maybe they have realised it can do shit against missiles and now you know it is "not designed to shoot down missiles". Say that to the parents of injured young american soldiers and other civilians...whittsend wrote:
Given that Patriot was not designed to shoot down missiles, I think it did remarkably well. Additionally, it has been upgraded since the Gulf war, but has not seen action. So, frankly, none of us know what it is capable of doing now. You are basing your judgement on 15 year old data.1234BGD wrote:
I think you have more chances to hit a flying missile with slingshot than with Patriot
The fact that the US military equipment is bought from profit driven companies raises lot of questions...
I still claim that S300 beats Patriot any day - u did not respond to that. If not S300 than Satan does...
Once you admit this - I am prepared to bring other comparisons out also
Let beside the simple specs, I have used the M16 and a lot of HK weapons.
I admit not to be too experienced with US weaponry, but if a US servicemen tells me that he is envious about the german equipement - what more should I say?
I have worked with every ground system I mentioned and some of their US counterparts
The Tiger, NH 90, EF 2000 proved themselves in competitions. The naval systems did the same.
There is no universal "better" machine, every and each of them has advantages and disadvantages.
For example, the Abrams may be faster - but I prefer the reliability and the agility (funny word in connection with a MBT) of the Leopard.
The US machines are not bad!
But there are better things and it's easier to equip a smaller force, like the german army, with new equipment.
I admit not to be too experienced with US weaponry, but if a US servicemen tells me that he is envious about the german equipement - what more should I say?
I have worked with every ground system I mentioned and some of their US counterparts
The Tiger, NH 90, EF 2000 proved themselves in competitions. The naval systems did the same.
There is no universal "better" machine, every and each of them has advantages and disadvantages.
For example, the Abrams may be faster - but I prefer the reliability and the agility (funny word in connection with a MBT) of the Leopard.
The US machines are not bad!
But there are better things and it's easier to equip a smaller force, like the german army, with new equipment.
Um, during the gulf war...which available system was better? Yeah.1234BGD wrote:
It was sold to Israel in order to protect them against Scuds... maybe they have realised it can do shit against missiles and now you know it is "not designed to shoot down missiles". Say that to the parents of injured young american soldiers and other civilians...
Yeah, yeah. Evil military industrial complex blah blah blah. Save it, I've heard it all before.1234BGD wrote:
The fact that the US military equipment is bought from profit driven companies raises lot of questions...
I can't say. I am not famliliar with the system. If more people were capable of admitting that, there would be quite a bit less unsubstantiated BS posted in this thread.1234BGD wrote:
I still claim that S300 beats Patriot any day - u did not respond to that. If not S300 than Satan does...
How do you come by your expertise?
SAS uses M-16. Like I said, I respect their opinions highly. I like My M4. I REALLY respect my own opinion.WolfSheep wrote:
Let beside the simple specs, I have used the M16 and a lot of HK weapons.
I admit not to be too experienced with US weaponry, but if a US servicemen tells me that he is envious about the german equipement - what more should I say?
If opinions are to be the basis for comparing weapon systems, I'll take the two I just listed.
May I ask what profession would allow you to work with such a diverse group of systems?WolfSheep wrote:
I have worked with every ground system I mentioned and some of their US counterparts
The Tiger, NH 90, EF 2000 proved themselves in competitions. The naval systems did the same.
hmm. guessing you arenot from arizona afterallilyandor wrote:
http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/5pansar/5 … niritn.jpg
Challanger 2??? LOL...the Black Eagle will eat it for breakfast!
-no matter what us BF2 geeks say, Russian technology is the best...
i think that i saw on discovery once that we had in norway a ship that could outrun the most of small naval things.. lets se if i can find a link.
hereyago:
http://www.knmskjold.org/english/index.html
Im not an millitarynerd, so you figure out the details..
OmS
hereyago:
http://www.knmskjold.org/english/index.html
Im not an millitarynerd, so you figure out the details..
OmS
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They do? Well, we don't and I never heard or saw them with M16 but I know that this doesn't mean you're wrong - but I don't believe that simply using the M-16 means that it is their prefered weapon. I loved my G36C (no, I am neither a active nor have I ever been a operator, I am not a phony).whittsend wrote:
SAS uses M-16. Like I said, I respect their opinions highly. I like My M4. I REALLY respect my own opinion.
If opinions are to be the basis for comparing weapon systems, I'll take the two I just listed.
WolfSheep wrote:
I have worked with every ground system I mentioned and some of their US counterparts
The Tiger, NH 90, EF 2000 proved themselves in competitions. The naval systems did the same.
As I said, I worked with the ground systems - if in your terms naval and aircraft count to these, then I'm sorry.May I ask what profession would allow you to work with such a diverse group of systems?
I worked with nearly every german wheeled or tracked vehicle (if you understand this as "I have driven and operated them myself" then I'm sorry again - I ment that I worked in a JTF with them) and in some cases with our allied forces.