Better War Machines than America's - Post here!

2006-01-29 08:29:50

#1

Aegis: Sailor with no BF2 Navy; +19|7017|I'm worldwide, beotch

America always thinks it has the best equipment and vehicles for warfare - don't agree?

Post all the non-American vehicles and machines that you think are superior to their American counterparts!

Debate and serious fact-based talk only!

Last edited by Aegis (2006-01-29 08:30:41)

2006-01-29 08:46:56

#2

Corrupt: Member; +0|7113

Eurofighter would give the Raptor a run for its money in an air battle.
Challanger tank is prety nice. Might take out an Abrams 1vs1.
Most British kit is fairly high quality actually.

2006-01-29 08:55:25

#3

Eckzack: The east-german Fuxxer; +37|7117|Germany / Saxony

Heckler & Koch... nuff said

https://bf3s.com/sigs/384f5f7318c23ecb5909f14b157d6d31e8b5a332.png

IRNV-Field 3... New School Shit...

2006-01-29 09:15:47

#4

sheggalism: Member; +16|7014|France

Heckler und Koch G36 family, SiG pistols, Acurracy International sniper rifles, FN Herstal weapon systems Challenger/Leopard/Leclerc/T-90/Type 90 can beat M1-A2
Eryx > M136 Milan ER >> TOW 2 Eurocopter Tigre = AH64D/AH-1Z/RAH-66
EF 2000/RAFALE/JAS 39/MIRAGE 2000 = F-15/F-16/F-18 (F-22 ? F-35 ? they use stealth technology, so...)
Russian anti-naval missiles are the best
G36E/FAMAS G2/L85A2/F2000/SCAR >>> old M16A2

2006-01-29 09:36:42

#5

Aegis: Sailor with no BF2 Navy; +19|7017|I'm worldwide, beotch

sheggalism wrote:
EF 2000/RAFALE/JAS 39/MIRAGE 2000 = F-15/F-16/F-18 (F-22 ? F-35 ? they use stealth technology, so...)

I might agree they could match an F-16, and maybe an F-18. F-15 is in another class of jets - it definitely layed the smackdown on all sorts of "state of the art" jets in the desert.

No way anything made at present can match an F-22.

sheggalism wrote:
Russian anti-naval missiles are the best

Uh, which ones? Details??

Last edited by Aegis (2006-01-29 09:37:12)

2006-01-29 10:36:55

#6

Corrupt: Member; +0|7113

Aegis wrote:
sheggalism wrote:
EF 2000/RAFALE/JAS 39/MIRAGE 2000 = F-15/F-16/F-18 (F-22 ? F-35 ? they use stealth technology, so...)
I might agree they could match an F-16, and maybe an F-18. F-15 is in another class of jets - it definitely layed the smackdown on all sorts of "state of the art" jets in the desert.

No way anything made at present can match an F-22.

sheggalism wrote:
Russian anti-naval missiles are the best
Uh, which ones? Details??

Id give the Ef-2000 good odss against a Raptor

2006-01-29 11:45:36

#7

Speed84: Member; +0|7042|Norge/Norway/Norwegen

Air:
The EuroFighter can hold its own against anything the US currently got in service. (including F-22/F-35B) (Coming from a USAF Major)
See:
The Quality/Quanitity. I know that most nations can field ships eqal to most US hardware. But to little to late sort of thing.
Ground:
It's no doubt that Euro armour (be it Challenger 2/Leclerc/Leopard 2) can take on american armour. APC? The Bradly is a joke! The warrior and the CV90 series wil take it apart!

But i like that the good'ol G3A3(AG-3) and MG-3 still scares the mother out of american marines every time they try it for the first time.

2006-01-29 12:36:38

#8

Souls: Member; +14|6935|Garden City, KS. USA

The R-73/AA-11 Archer is better the then current generation of AIM-9 Sidewinder. (But not the soon to be deployed AIM-9X)

I dont agree with the posts about the Euro-Fighter and Rafale being equal or better then the F-22. F-22 is much stealther then the Euro/Raf. The F-22 has thrust vetoring the Raf and Euro don't. The F-22 also has supercruise which the others don't. The F-22 has what they call First Look/First Shot/First Kill. Which is a data link capabilty with other F-22s Which gives the F-22 the capablilty to leave his radar off and use another F-22s radar to track and kill targets. So if one F-22 is using his radar to track an air target at 50 miles away his wingman can leave his radar off and remain undetected and close within missile range to get the shot using his wingman radar.

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2006-01-29 12:46:38

#9

licutis: Member; +0|6935|united states

The main thread said keept it to the facts so lets review some, sources included:

Britain's Defence Evaluation and Research Agency did an evaluation (simulation based on the available data) comparing the Typhoon with some other modern fighters in how well they performed against an expected adversary aircraft, the Sukhoi Su-35. The results of that study show how many Su-35's would be shot down for each fighter lost.

Results:

F-22 Raptor    10.1:1
Eurofighter Typhoon    4.5:1
Dassault Rafale C    1.0:1
Sukhoi Su-35 'Flanker'    1.0:1
F-15C Eagle    0.8:1
Boeing F/A-18+    0.4:1
F/A-18C       0.3:1
F-16C    0.3:1

or 4.5 Su-35s were shot down for every Typhoon lost and 10.1 Su-35's shot down for every F-22 lost.

It should be remembered that the F/A-22 and the Typhoon were designed for different missions, Gen. John P. Jumper (USAF) the only man to have flown both the F/A-22 and the Typhoon said "They are different kinds of airplanes to start with," .. "It's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance."

The F/A-22 has longer range, higher speed, and much more advanced stealth systems then other aircraft of its class. The F/A-22 was designed for longer range, offensive, penetrating missions where the Typhoon was designed more for homeland defensive purposes.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_2000s_fighter_aircraft
http://www.answers.com/topic/eurofighter-typhoon
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/03/mil-050322-afpn02.htm
http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/f22/techspecs.htm
http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/eurofighter.pl

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2006-01-29 13:33:59

#10

Aegis: Sailor with no BF2 Navy; +19|7017|I'm worldwide, beotch

Speed84 wrote:
Sea:
The Quality/Quanitity. I know that most nations can field ships eqal to most US hardware. But to little to late sort of thing.

What ships? Is there a certain class or country you have in mind or what?

Souls wrote:
The R-73/AA-11 Archer is better the then current generation of AIM-9 Sidewinder. (But not the soon to be deployed AIM-9X)
F-22 is much stealther then the Euro/Raf. The F-22 has what they call First Look/First Shot/First Kill.

You seem to be confused... R73/AA11 isn't for first look/first kill stealth shots, as they generally require you to close within close range of your target. An F-22 can engage at a much greater range than any jet carrying this missile can hope to be effective.

Last edited by Aegis (2006-01-29 13:41:06)

2006-01-29 15:59:33

#11

Souls: Member; +14|6935|Garden City, KS. USA

Aegis,

The Archer comment was an exzample of a weapon that I feel is better then the current one used by the US. The first shot first kill was just a comment on the perivous posts about the Euro/Raf and how they can "Hold its own against the F-22"

2006-01-29 16:01:11

#12

Aegis: Sailor with no BF2 Navy; +19|7017|I'm worldwide, beotch

Souls wrote:
Aegis,

The Archer comment was an exzample of a weapon that I feel is better then the current one used by the US. The first shot first kill was just a comment on the perivous posts about the Euro/Raf and how they can "Hold its own against the F-22"

Fair enough! I'd agree that all-aspect IR is good stuff if you can get close enough to use it.

2006-01-29 16:04:10

#13

Lib-Sl@yer: Member; +32|6985|Wherever the F**k i feel like

Corrupt wrote:
Eurofighter would give the Raptor a run for its money in an air battle.

Right.... The raptor has no one to match it

2006-01-29 16:13:23

#14

ilyandor: Member; +31|6961|Phoenix, AZ

https://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/5pansar/5sidor/5bilder/tjorniritn.jpg

Challanger 2??? LOL...the Black Eagle will eat it for breakfast!

-no matter what us BF2 geeks say, Russian technology is the best...

2006-01-29 17:11:25

#15

Friluftshund: I cnat slpel!!!; +54|6985|Norway

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … mp;q=su+37

i havn't got any specs - but that video looks sick!!!

2006-01-29 17:19:56

#16

(HUN)Rudebwoy: Member; +45|7027

here is a video about japan forces:

http://media.putfile.com/Japan_self_def … ces_mov_01

They obviously not superior, but they have some nice things, dont they?

PS.: I love Hans Zimmer's musics
PPS: Recognize the starting and ending scenes?

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2006-01-29 17:31:34

#17

Friluftshund: I cnat slpel!!!; +54|6985|Norway

(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
PS.: I love Hans Zimmer's musics

Yeah - not to mention Klaus Badelt

2006-01-29 17:32:30

#18

Berserk_Vampire: Banned; +7|6960

I see alot of talk about whos army is better and whos tanks are better but we should be talking about how i'd be nice if we all didnt have to use these vechiles on people and each other.

Remember boobs over bullets.

2006-01-29 17:41:46

#19

Friluftshund: I cnat slpel!!!; +54|6985|Norway

Berserk_Vampire wrote:
I see alot of talk about whos army is better and whos tanks are better but we should be talking about how i'd be nice if we all didnt have to use these vechiles on people and each other.

Remember boobs over bullets.

how nice would you be if we didn't have to use these things? j/k

Im with you tho - make love, not war

2006-01-29 17:50:39

#20

Berserk_Vampire: Banned; +7|6960

Friluftshund wrote:
Berserk_Vampire wrote:
I see alot of talk about whos army is better and whos tanks are better but we should be talking about how i'd be nice if we all didnt have to use these vechiles on people and each other.

Remember boobs over bullets.
how nice would you be if we didn't have to use these things? j/k

Im with you tho - make love, not war

Exactly but im not talking huge orgies or anything

2006-01-29 17:56:36

#21

Duramen1: Member; +0|7023|wa,usa

but back to the machines

and a different direction transports

Mercedes-Benz UNIMOG

thats all i have to say

2006-01-29 17:57:14

#22

-=|BW|=-Hollow_Moon: Member; +5|7027

Friluftshund wrote:
(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
PS.: I love Hans Zimmer's musics
Yeah - not to mention Klaus Badelt

Im more Steve Jablonsky at the moment, but Constantines End Titles & Meet John Constantine still get some air time on my Winamp

2006-01-29 18:05:11

#23

Duramen1: Member; +0|7023|wa,usa

oh and about that japan video i thought we were talking about machines that compaired to the US's everything in that video was from the US (there was one plane a boat and an apc that i didn't recognize)

awax, f-16, f-15, appachies, cobras, those lines of boats, the sub, tommahawks, the hewies its all American

japans defence force uses all american equipment and hell they were originally trained by the US so we wouldn't have to protect them any longer (and yes we had to it was terms of the end of WWII, no army for them but we protect them)

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2006-01-30 12:37:06

#24

Corrupt: Member; +0|7113

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
Corrupt wrote:
Eurofighter would give the Raptor a run for its money in an air battle.
Right.... The raptor has no one to match it

If we match it its a draw, we better it, or attack its weaknesses. Id put money on the Eurofighter with reasonable confidence of it winning.

2006-01-30 13:41:14

#25

boomshagalaga: Member; +1|6951

(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
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PS.: I love Hans Zimmer's musics
PPS: Recognize the starting and ending scenes?

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