blademaster
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Tension between the Vatican and Jewish groups looked set to explode yesterday after Pope Benedict XVI rehabilitated a British bishop who has claimed no Jews died in gas chambers during the second world war.

But Jewish groups have warned the Pope that the decision could damage Catholic-Jewish relations after Williamson claimed in an interview, broadcast last week, that historical evidence "is hugely against six million having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler ... I believe there were no gas chambers".

Shimon Samuels, of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Paris, said he understood the German-born pope's desire for Christian unity but said Benedict could have excluded Williamson, whose return to the church will "cost" the Vatican politically. n an interview taped last November and aired last Wednesday on Swedish television, Williamson said he agreed with the "most serious" revisionist historians of the second world war who had concluded that "between 200,000-300,000 perished in Nazi concentration camps, but not one of them by gassing in a gas chamber". Williamson added he realised he could go to jail for Holocaust denial in Germany.

In an interview taped last November and aired last Wednesday on Swedish television, Williamson said he agreed with the "most serious" revisionist historians of the second world war who had concluded that "between 200,000-300,000 perished in Nazi concentration camps, but not one of them by gassing in a gas chamber". Williamson added he realised he could go to jail for Holocaust denial in Germany.

Elan Steinberg, vice president of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, warned last week the Vatican's actions would play into the hands of those seeking to stir up trouble. "For the Jewish people ... this development ... encourages hate-mongers everywhere," Steinberg said. Rome's chief rabbi Riccardo Di Segni said that revoking Williamson's excommunication would open "a deep wound".

Relations between the Vatican and Jewish groups are already strained by the row over Pope Pius XII, who was pontiff during the second world war, and is being considered by the Vatican for beatification. He is accused by some historians and Jewish leaders of failing to speak out against the Holocaust.sraeli officials recently protested when a senior cardinal said Israel's offensive in Gaza had turned it into a "big concentration camp".

It is not the first controversy for Benedict. His decision to allow freer use of the old Latin mass, including a Good Friday prayer for the conversion of Jews, caused widespread anger.

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Sounds like a rapprochement is imminent.
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Vilham
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Ive been to Auch, let me tell ur right now, there WERE gas chambers.
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Vilham wrote:

Ive been to Auch, let me tell ur right now, there WERE gas chambers.
Liar! That's just where they stored flower and such for baking delicious bread in the crematoriums giant baking ovens
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Uh this Popes a real asshole. He's been pissing off a bunch of none caothlic groups since he came to power.

Forgot what newspaper I read in but I found a story link. Pope uses a Easter Prayer that pisses off Jews
http://theimpudentobserver.com/world-ne … er-prayer/

And now Muslims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5347876.stm

And homosexuals
http://atheistmedia.blogspot.com/2008/1 … roups.html

And the Chinese
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … ijing.html
ATG
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They would rather be known as holocost denying douches than homosexual child molesters.

Sadly, they are both.
Dilbert_X
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Not sure why anyone pays attention to the Catholic 'church'.
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Mekstizzle
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Technically it's not a denial of the Holocaust, it's simply stating that it probably wasn't as bad as certain people make it out to be. Whilst I don't outright agree with him that there were no gas chambers etc.. (that's going abit far) I really do think that the Holocaust (specifically the Jews part of it) was .......how can you say it....slightly overestimated. 6 million is a big number, I don't think it was that large. It happened though, it happened.
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Technically it's not a denial of the Holocaust, it's simply stating that it probably wasn't as bad as certain people make it out to be. Whilst I don't outright agree with him that there were no gas chambers etc.. (that's going abit far) I really do think that the Holocaust (specifically the Jews part of it) was .......how can you say it....slightly overestimated. 6 million is a big number, I don't think it was that large. It happened though, it happened.
Of course we will never know the actual number. but from captured documents, resistance reports and estimates(in other words guesses) 6 million seems to be the number they came up with lol
henno13
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blademaster wrote:

British bishop who has claimed no Jews died in gas chambers during the second world war.
what an asshole
Dilbert_X
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People forget, it wasn't only jews who died by any means.
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Turquoise
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Dilbert_X wrote:

People forget, it wasn't only jews who died by any means.
True...  Still, the guy's an asshole.

Then again, Benedict was a Nazi youth.  This shouldn't surprise anyone.
destruktion_6143
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Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

People forget, it wasn't only jews who died by any means.
True...  Still, the guy's an asshole.

Then again, Benedict was a Nazi youth.  This shouldn't surprise anyone.
DAMMIT TURQ!! i was about to post how no one has mentioned that yet.

lol religion is a joke, its all about being "offended" by someone. why do they CARE so much?
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
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uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

Uh this Popes a real asshole. He's been pissing off a bunch of none caothlic groups since he came to power.

Forgot what newspaper I read in but I found a story link. Pope uses a Easter Prayer that pisses off Jews
http://theimpudentobserver.com/world-ne … er-prayer/

And now Muslims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5347876.stm

And homosexuals
http://atheistmedia.blogspot.com/2008/1 … roups.html

And the Chinese
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … ijing.html
tbh those two groups arent the hardest to piss off tho....

Last edited by destruktion_6143 (2009-01-25 08:18:16)

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He seems to put his foot in it a lot, like the Canterbury bloke.
Poseidon
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Well, after all, the current Pope WAS in the Hitler Youth... (half sarcasm, calm down)

Anyone who doesn't believe there was gas chambers used to systematically murder not only Jews but blacks, gays, disabled people, etc is one really, really stupid fuck.
FatherTed
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been there, there was.

the wooden stakes were the most disturbing though.

or possibly the electric fence intertwined with barbed wire.
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destruktion_6143 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

People forget, it wasn't only jews who died by any means.
True...  Still, the guy's an asshole.

Then again, Benedict was a Nazi youth.  This shouldn't surprise anyone.
DAMMIT TURQ!! i was about to post how no one has mentioned that yet.

lol religion is a joke, its all about being "offended" by someone. why do they CARE so much?
yeah because you were totally volunteering to become a nazi youth, and his nazi teachings prevailed through the ages, all the drama and criticism after WWII totally escaped him.

That guy's a douche but that argument of "he was a nazi youth" is just sad.
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dayarath wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


True...  Still, the guy's an asshole.

Then again, Benedict was a Nazi youth.  This shouldn't surprise anyone.
DAMMIT TURQ!! i was about to post how no one has mentioned that yet.

lol religion is a joke, its all about being "offended" by someone. why do they CARE so much?
yeah because you were totally volunteering to become a nazi youth, and his nazi teachings prevailed through the ages, all the drama and criticism after WWII totally escaped him.

That guy's a douche but that argument of "he was a nazi youth" is just sad.
Still a Nazi.
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FatherTed
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tbf, you had to be a nazi in nazi germany. didn't mean you supported the nsdap tho
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Stereotypes FTW!

Honestly...this is shameful.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
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wow, so unless i put /sarcasm no one here gets it? yeesh, thats scary
FatherTed
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destruktion_6143 wrote:

wow, so unless i put /sarcasm no one here gets it? yeesh, thats scary
Read board title.
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destruktion_6143
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FatherTed wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

wow, so unless i put /sarcasm no one here gets it? yeesh, thats scary
Read board title.
D&ST, ya, but that doesnt mean everyone in here has to take everything posted literally. ppl cant use thir brain in here? lol ****/SARCASM****

Last edited by destruktion_6143 (2009-01-25 11:39:22)

Turquoise
O Canada
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dayarath wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


True...  Still, the guy's an asshole.

Then again, Benedict was a Nazi youth.  This shouldn't surprise anyone.
DAMMIT TURQ!! i was about to post how no one has mentioned that yet.

lol religion is a joke, its all about being "offended" by someone. why do they CARE so much?
yeah because you were totally volunteering to become a nazi youth, and his nazi teachings prevailed through the ages, all the drama and criticism after WWII totally escaped him.

That guy's a douche but that argument of "he was a nazi youth" is just sad.
Touche...  Still...  you gotta admit...  it is a good slam... 

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