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2009-01-22 09:21:23
FatherTed
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lowing wrote:

DonFck wrote:

lowing wrote:


and in this book, is the claim that welfare recipients are the key ingredient to a viable economiv success? If you answer yes, the nI will go back a read the link
I haven't read that particular book. "Economics for Dummies" is not included in the curriculum of university-level business studies.

Welfare recipients do not contribute to the economy. Welfare recipients are given welfare so that they will have the possibility to pick themselves up and be employed, maybe educated as well so that they wouldn't have to work minimum wage. That's where a part of your tax money goes. When these people are employed, they proceed to pay taxes, I.e. "giving back to the community" as well as in their turn contributing to the helping of people in the situation they were in previously.

THIS IS HOW A SOCIAL SYSTEM WORKS. It's existence is by no means to give people "free rides", but to support those who are in desperate need of it, so that they can begin to contribute to the society again.

There will always be unemployment, this is a fact. If you don't understand this, you are certainly worthy of your admin note. And in the event of a recession, the level of unemployment will be higher. A community helps the ones in need. It seems you would prefer having new legislation instated allowing hunting and killing of the poor for sport.

Good one chief. You sound like you'd be the first to push an armless man in a wheelchair down the stairs because he can't work anymore.
Welfare recipients do not contribute to the economy...Thank you.

The idea of welfare is to assist temporarily until a person picks themselves up. Reality is, it is a life style with no intention of anything better. So yes it turns into a free ride.

I do understsand there is always gunna be unemployment. Because there will always be losers. THe key is, just make sure it isn't you. Please note I do not include people who are temporarily out of work and are not content with staying out of work.


If you have read me in the past, you would KNOW that I have always endorsed taking care of those that can not take care of themselves, including handicapped and children. SO no, I would not push a man in wheel chair down the stairs. Not to mention the fact that being in a wheel chair does not make you unemployable.
Whoa Whoa Whoa, do you honestly honestly think that people want to have to live off welfare, or that it is in anyway a comfortable lifestyle?
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2009-01-22 10:08:19
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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lowing wrote:

Noooooooo the poor do not have jobs, they are on assisted living. THey do not pay taxes, they live off of us.
So the bottom .5% then?

I'd define 'poor' as the bottom 40%...

You know a lot of the blue collar labourers etc.
2009-01-22 12:42:23
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6950
A more realistic letter:

Dear employees,

My dad just died and handed his multi-billion dollar company over to me even though I fucked off at college.

The end.
2009-01-22 12:58:35
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6456|what

lowing wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

LOL, the reason is, you are all socialists!! I am not. I beleive in EARNING a living not handing one out. I do not believe one should be allowed to live off of the labors of others without contributing anything themselves.  Pretty simple really.
Socialist? You make it sound like a bad thing.

I think I'd prefer living in a Socialist Democracy, what system would you prefer?

Totalitarian?

edit: it's getting late. g'night for now.
Nope, I prefer living in capitalist republic.


Hell no, socialism is great, especially if you are on the recieving end of the labors and efforts of others.
A Capitalist Republic is great, especially if you are on the exploiting end of the labors and efforts of others below you.

Great if your at the top, everybody below you is fucked and can't climb out.
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2009-01-22 15:24:17
PureFodder
Member
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lowing wrote:

and in this book, is the claim that welfare recipients are the key ingredient to a viable economiv success? If you answer yes, the nI will go back a read the link
Any decent economics textbook will likely devote some time to the Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment

Wiki wrote:

The term NAIRU is an acronym for Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment. It is a concept in economic theory significant in the interplay of macroeconomics and microeconomics. This "full employment" unemployment rate is sometimes termed the "inflation-threshold unemployment rate": Actual unemployment cannot fall below the NAIRU, and the inflation rate is likely to rise quickly (accelerate) in times of strong labor demands during periods of growth.
You cannot have a market economy without a reasonable number of potential workers on welfare. The only system in which you can remove unemployment is a completely state run economy. If you really want to eliminate welfare recipients, the only theoretical way to do this is communism.
2009-01-22 16:28:15
Scorpion0x17
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@lowing: not all 'poor' people are either unable or too lazy to work.

The vast majority of the poor are hard-working minimum-wage families.

Would you let these people starve to death just so you didn't have to pay a few percentage points more tax?

As I have already said - I am poor - I barely scrape by week-to-week - but I'm working on getting myself out of the hole I've found myself in through no fault of my own - I went to University - I got a degree - I am not a drop out - I have had several very well paid jobs (as a computer programmer) - and yet, now I am poor - why? - I'll health - not bad enough to stop me from working all together, but bad enough to have effectively put a stop to my life for a while - and so I live below the minimum wage on 'government handouts' as you'd call them.
2009-01-22 22:21:00
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

DonFck wrote:


I haven't read that particular book. "Economics for Dummies" is not included in the curriculum of university-level business studies.

Welfare recipients do not contribute to the economy. Welfare recipients are given welfare so that they will have the possibility to pick themselves up and be employed, maybe educated as well so that they wouldn't have to work minimum wage. That's where a part of your tax money goes. When these people are employed, they proceed to pay taxes, I.e. "giving back to the community" as well as in their turn contributing to the helping of people in the situation they were in previously.

THIS IS HOW A SOCIAL SYSTEM WORKS. It's existence is by no means to give people "free rides", but to support those who are in desperate need of it, so that they can begin to contribute to the society again.

There will always be unemployment, this is a fact. If you don't understand this, you are certainly worthy of your admin note. And in the event of a recession, the level of unemployment will be higher. A community helps the ones in need. It seems you would prefer having new legislation instated allowing hunting and killing of the poor for sport.

Good one chief. You sound like you'd be the first to push an armless man in a wheelchair down the stairs because he can't work anymore.
Welfare recipients do not contribute to the economy...Thank you.

The idea of welfare is to assist temporarily until a person picks themselves up. Reality is, it is a life style with no intention of anything better. So yes it turns into a free ride.

I do understsand there is always gunna be unemployment. Because there will always be losers. THe key is, just make sure it isn't you. Please note I do not include people who are temporarily out of work and are not content with staying out of work.


If you have read me in the past, you would KNOW that I have always endorsed taking care of those that can not take care of themselves, including handicapped and children. SO no, I would not push a man in wheel chair down the stairs. Not to mention the fact that being in a wheel chair does not make you unemployable.
Whoa Whoa Whoa, do you honestly honestly think that people want to have to live off welfare, or that it is in anyway a comfortable lifestyle?
nope I don't, I think th4y would rather be millionaires, just like I would. I however, am not a millionaire, and I do not blame anyone for that except me. My govt. didn't keep me from being one, I did. Now, what is their excuse?
2009-01-22 22:50:58
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|6935|Finland

lowing wrote:

nope I don't, I think th4y would rather be millionaires, just like I would. I however, am not a millionaire, and I do not blame anyone for that except me. My govt. didn't keep me from being one, I did. Now, what is their excuse?
Maybe you should move to Nigeria, so that you can see what the world would be like if everyone was a millionaire?
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2009-01-22 23:18:25
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

DonFck wrote:

lowing wrote:

nope I don't, I think th4y would rather be millionaires, just like I would. I however, am not a millionaire, and I do not blame anyone for that except me. My govt. didn't keep me from being one, I did. Now, what is their excuse?
Maybe you should move to Nigeria, so that you can see what the world would be like if everyone was a millionaire?
Look, I didn't say everyone could be a millionaire. I was asked if these people wanted to be poor. I said no. I then said I am sure they would all love to be millionaire, just like I would,

Now, wh odo I get to blame for me not being a millionaire?
2009-01-22 23:29:30
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Lowing wrote:

Now, wh odo I get to blame for me not being a millionaire?
Your lazy self.
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2009-01-22 23:32:40
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Now, wh odo I get to blame for me not being a millionaire?
Your lazy self.
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
2009-01-22 23:38:24
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|6935|Finland

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Now, wh odo I get to blame for me not being a millionaire?
Your lazy self.
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
The man.

/liberal hippie douche
I need around tree fiddy.
2009-01-23 00:31:42
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Lowing wrote:

SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
I think you're getting it slowly.

No one is 'to blame' thats just the way it is.
People get dealt different hands, some work harder, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.

Maybe the taxes YOU pay should be raised so billionaires and big business can get a tax cut.
Happy now?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-01-23 00:37:01)

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2009-01-23 00:35:37
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6978|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Now, wh odo I get to blame for me not being a millionaire?
Your lazy self.
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
Not everything is someone's fault, you know.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2009-01-23 03:51:43
lowing
Banned
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Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Your lazy self.
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
Not everything is someone's fault, you know.
Not everything is NO ONES's fault either
2009-01-23 04:08:45
lowing
Banned
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
I think you're getting it slowly.

No one is 'to blame' that's just the way it is.
People get dealt different hands, some work harder, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.

Maybe the taxes YOU pay should be raised so billionaires and big business can get a tax cut.
Happy now?
I see, so a brain surgeon is a brain surgeon because that is just the way it is, he didn't work for it, study hard, make sacrifices, it just turned out that way. An 

A fireman didn't apply for to the fire fighter academy and study to graduate and become a fire fighter, he just lucked into it because that is "just the way it is"

Gimme a break.
2009-01-23 09:05:19
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
I think you're getting it slowly.

No one is 'to blame' that's just the way it is.
People get dealt different hands, some work harder, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.

Maybe the taxes YOU pay should be raised so billionaires and big business can get a tax cut.
Happy now?
I see, so a brain surgeon is a brain surgeon because that is just the way it is, he didn't work for it, study hard, make sacrifices, it just turned out that way. An 

A fireman didn't apply for to the fire fighter academy and study to graduate and become a fire fighter, he just lucked into it because that is "just the way it is"

Gimme a break.
To use one of your own term lowing ... most people walk in the direction that their interests lead them, so it's actually not a big surprice that the brain surgeon is just what he is ... some poor people are also just that because their means of becoming something else is blocked by society itself ... an untreated case of ADHD or ADD can do that for you just to name one example and in that case the parents are to blame partially and not the kid in question ...

In your arguments you don't see the full picture, you say most people and discard the rest as trash because they don't live up to your standards.
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2009-01-23 10:09:37
lowing
Banned
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


I think you're getting it slowly.

No one is 'to blame' that's just the way it is.
People get dealt different hands, some work harder, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.

Maybe the taxes YOU pay should be raised so billionaires and big business can get a tax cut.
Happy now?
I see, so a brain surgeon is a brain surgeon because that is just the way it is, he didn't work for it, study hard, make sacrifices, it just turned out that way. An 

A fireman didn't apply for to the fire fighter academy and study to graduate and become a fire fighter, he just lucked into it because that is "just the way it is"

Gimme a break.
To use one of your own term lowing ... most people walk in the direction that their interests lead them, so it's actually not a big surprice that the brain surgeon is just what he is ... some poor people are also just that because their means of becoming something else is blocked by society itself ... an untreated case of ADHD or ADD can do that for you just to name one example and in that case the parents are to blame partially and not the kid in question ...

In your arguments you don't see the full picture, you say most people and discard the rest as trash because they don't live up to your standards.
I am a middle class American, I am not rich, I make a living, not much more than that. I do not discard anyone, I live my life, you are are free to live yours, I do not take from you, I work for what I have, so forgive me if I expect the same from you.

I do not give a shit about thier endless stream of excuses for failure. ( covered that a few pages ago and it didn't get any play, wonder why) slavery, pre-civil rights, my daddy was a drunk, I' m an asshole because I have a fuckin' syndrome, the kid behind me kept kicking my seat or what other line of bullshit they can come up with.

Bottom line is, you do not need a rich daddy in life to make a life. THere are more people who have build a quality life without a rich father than with one. what you need can be found within yourself. If you do not care enough to want to tap into that, then I have no time to care either.
2009-01-23 12:08:47
Wreckognize
Member
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Now, wh odo I get to blame for me not being a millionaire?
Your lazy self.
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
Capitalism is to blame.  Capitalism is based on an upper, a middle, and a lower class.
2009-01-23 22:36:20
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Lowing wrote:

I see, so a brain surgeon is a brain surgeon because that is just the way it is, he didn't work for it, study hard, make sacrifices, it just turned out that way. An 

A fireman didn't apply for to the fire fighter academy and study to graduate and become a fire fighter, he just lucked into it because that is "just the way it is"
Read my post.

I wrote:

People get dealt different hands, some work harder, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.
Now tell us again why you're not President, its the same reason there are some people lower on the ladder than you.
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2009-01-25 11:15:43
PureFodder
Member
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Now, wh odo I get to blame for me not being a millionaire?
Your lazy self.
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
There's no way that everyone can become middle class. People's abilities are relative to everyone elses. If everyone tried harder, worked longer and stived for a better life, basically everyone would stay in exactly the same position.

Your success is based on a) How good you are
                                     b) How good everyone else is

You have no control over b.
2009-01-25 11:23:57
Scorpion0x17
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PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Your lazy self.
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
There's no way that everyone can become middle class. People's abilities are relative to everyone elses. If everyone tried harder, worked longer and stived for a better life, basically everyone would stay in exactly the same position.

Your success is based on a) How good you are
                                     b) How good everyone else is

You have no control over b.
And then there's the random nature of, well, nature rolling her dice every so often (a person born with half a brain is going to be less 'successful' than a genius, for example, or a virus you pick-up in early childhood may weaken your bones, or whatever really).

The only thing we have any control over is our actions. We don't even have full control over how well perform any given task. We can only 'give it our best shot'.
2009-01-26 03:57:07
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

I see, so a brain surgeon is a brain surgeon because that is just the way it is, he didn't work for it, study hard, make sacrifices, it just turned out that way. An 

A fireman didn't apply for to the fire fighter academy and study to graduate and become a fire fighter, he just lucked into it because that is "just the way it is"
Read my post.

I wrote:

People get dealt different hands, some work harder, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.
Now tell us again why you're not President, its the same reason there are some people lower on the ladder than you.
Please stop trying to compare graduating fuckin' high school and getting a fuckin' job, as having to overcome the same obstacle as becoming President of the United States.

So a fire fighter was just dealt "lucky" cards huh? Effort, drive, hard work, motivation, determination, had nothing to do with it?

Well, why don't you expalin to us why you are bothering seeking higher education, if all ya need is "luck" and a great hand of cards?
2009-01-26 04:09:26
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Lowing wrote:

So a fire fighter was just dealt "lucky" cards huh? Effort, drive, hard work, motivation, determination, had nothing to do with it?
Please try to pay attention.

I wrote:

People get dealt different hands, some work harder, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.
Its a combination of factors.

Again, please explain, if hard work is the only factor why are you not President, or CEO of a Fortune 500 company?
You're complaining that factors outside your control prevent you becoming President, maybe there are factors which prevent people graduating from high school - which puts them only one or two rungs below you.

I'll say what you're too wet to say, black Americans, black British too, tend not to do so well at school.
The reasons are complex, laziness and lack of self-accountability are two of them.
Fuck Israel
2009-01-26 04:18:53
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Your lazy self.
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
There's no way that everyone can become middle class. People's abilities are relative to everyone elses. If everyone tried harder, worked longer and stived for a better life, basically everyone would stay in exactly the same position.

Your success is based on a) How good you are
                                     b) How good everyone else is

You have no control over b.
a. you have control over yourself, I agree

b. you do not have control over anyone else, I also agree, so take comfort in the fact that you do not need to. Taking responsibility for YOURSELF is all that is required for YOUR success. Just make sure you are one of the ones who makes it to middle class.

 

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