Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd
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+169|6985|Mexico City
is a lose-lose situation
everybody lose, nuclear winter.
Penguins, cockroach and rats will rule the world.

i read somewhere theres a doomsday bomb, one that can ignite the earths atmosphere. Ever heard of that?
DakkonBlackblade
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RoyWereForUniMare wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Here's a real sense of reality  " not Bush again " You have to love it !
I really wonder what will happen if they re-elect Bush... I think it will be a fatal dessicion..
Bush can't be reelected this time.  The President has a two term limit in the US, the world is guaranteed at least 4 years without him.  I don't think 'heart-attack' Dick will even run so I wouldn't worry about him.  America will have new blood in the White House come 2008.
RoyWereForUniMare
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+0|7020|Holland/Netherlands

DakkonBlackblade wrote:

RoyWereForUniMare wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Here's a real sense of reality  " not Bush again " You have to love it !
I really wonder what will happen if they re-elect Bush... I think it will be a fatal dessicion..
Bush can't be reelected this time.  The President has a two term limit in the US, the world is guaranteed at least 4 years without him.  I don't think 'heart-attack' Dick will even run so I wouldn't worry about him.  America will have new blood in the White House come 2008.
That still is over a loooong time and in 2 years time Bush can seriously fuck the world up in many ways.
jarm8180
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+0|6969
The United States has enough ICBMs with the capability to produce more to take out every square inch of land on this planet. It's simple, if the US was threatened with invasion and if we couldn't meet the threat with conventional arms, it's crispy critter time.
KiLLMasTer
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+3|7020|West Va (USA)
LoL thank about it Russia in WW2 had more ppl thin guns LoL one Gun to like 5 ppl.... thats nutz and China has more ppl thin anything..... But if you think about it China would not work with anyone.... and the Russia would not work with anyone..... so it will be like USA vs China Vs Russia......<<<<---- Get my point.
DakkonBlackblade
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BurlySmurf wrote:

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

Nukes?, yeah, the US has a lot of Nukes but the rest of the world too, and they need to send only three nukes:
- one nuke to new york (financial capital of the world)
- one nuke to washington (capital)
- one big nuke to NORAD (main military intelligence).
without these 3 the US will go down fast.

This is a lose lose situation for the US.
None of those locations have any real strategic value other than NORAD and maybe Washington. All the leaders would have been evacuated from Washington anyway. Also none of those locations affect the United States nuclear capablity. One that is very.. very.. strong.
Lets not forget that there are 9 NORAD sites, 3 of which are in Canada.  http://www.norad.mil/ So now you have US/Canada versus whoever is coming at us.  In addition NORAD sites are designed to withstand nuclear assault.

For incoming missles and armored units (including ships at sea), don't forget about these...
http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry … onbomb.htm

IF the invading force got to US soil, how would they hope to fight both the military and the fact that our entire populace has the ability to become armed in a matter of hours?

This 'arguement' really comes down to who is defending.  I don't think either coalition has the power to invade and overwhelm the other.  I don't think the conflict would reach the fervor needed to unleash WMDs since there is no base religious or survival conflict to cause such irrationality.
elite
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+89|6953|Sheffield, England
wait until 2012 when britian gets 2 new 2 billion super carriers, and 3 state of the art neuclear submarines, which go below radar and would kick anyones ass
Horseman 77
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RoyWereForUniMare wrote:

Its a crying shame that your private life isn't private when you're a celeb or anyone important>.<.
Well... lets See Shall we. ??

Company property
Company Time
Government Agency

Junior Employee and Public Servant on Tax Payer funded payroll on Company/ Govermet/Taxpayers Time

willing ( Chubbette monica )

            or

Junior Employee and Public Servant on Tax Payer funded payroll on Company/ Govermet/Taxpayers Time

Unwilling ( Catherine Willy )


Where do you see the Entitlement to privacy ? I cant !
I would have been fired with His Blessing too.
Just like The young Navy Aviators in The " tail hook Scandal "

who "hassled women in a bar "....  Shudder  !

He taught us embarrassment and humiliation.  Alas he is Our Neville Chamberlian
and the " Forgotten president."

But its off the thread anyway.
jarm8180
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+0|6969
IF the invading force got to US soil, how would they hope to fight both the military and the fact that our entire populace has the ability to become armed in a matter of hours?
Gotta love the second amendment!
pogled
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+0|7017|Europe
Maybe it needs a more euorpean line of thought for this debate: "Why the hell should we invade the US anyway?"

Because of Hollywood, McDonalds, Yellowstone, freedom (?!) or because some people there are really annoying..? There is no reason that would justify a that high amount (of hypothetical) lives lost.

If a major clash of powers would occur it will either be an apocaplytic scanario as above or a conflict similar to the cold war. Both sides would try to avoid direct conflict and would fight through proxies. Trying to seccure resources, trade deals, allies (!) in order to cripple the enmies economy or influence. Tee only direct engagment between military forces imaginable would be minor air or sea clashes in remote palces (a Mig or F-18 here or ether, a destroyer lost somewhere). But who would want a global all out conflcit anyway? The Euopean/US/RUssian/Chinese weapon lobby to  cash in on the profit? No, the lead amuch better life in an environment of constant fear (with working economies) - as it is now. That leaves only madmen (Osma, some christian crusader and consorts).

EDIT: spelling

Last edited by pogled (2006-01-28 14:37:24)

Adam5286
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+0|6915|CapeCod, MA USA
RoyWereForUniMare  said    "As far as I know most Canadians (that I know personally) don't want to have to do much with America at all, they just want to be left alone and in peace."
   
Are you retarded, the guy who said that Canada would be with America is from Quebec,   just a guess…. He probably knows more Canadians than you. Second of all I’m pretty sure (not positive) that America is Canada’s defense against attackers and that we and our brothers to the north have a pretty tight treaty.   Now it doesn’t even matter if the majority of the Canadians don’t want any thing to do with the American government.  the “Intelligent”  majority of Americans don’t want the American government. 


Now off topic and I know this is going to start a fight too but I gotta get this off my chest

Bush got re-elected because of a couple million Hicks with a shitty education and basically no common sense.  They love their Conservative values because the bible clearly says……….Hate blacks and gays………….hate Muslims…………….. Watch NASCAR…….. Vote Republican ………….Stem cell research is bad because u cant kill………….Death penalty is good u can kill if the death penalty………. …..Fight Wars  * I remember reading the part where Jesus said sum then like if you enemy slaps you turn……and grab your military and send them into Iraq*………..and OH yeah vote for Bush because he is “Gods candidate” 

I just get sooo pissed how these “really religious people can be soo far from Jesus’ teachings   HE PREACHED NON VIOLENCE AT ALL COST so if ur going to justify any type of violence DO NOT USE CHRISTIANITY in any WAY!!!!!!!!  (I don’t think many religions accept violence)
^*AlphA*^
F*ckers
+3,135|6977|The Hague, Netherlands

The netherlands would own you, we would toss a klomp at your ass and give you some weed, this way you wont be able to resist at all againt our great army !
https://bf3s.com/sigs/36eac2cb6af70a43508fd8d1c93d3201f4e23435.png
Cpt.Crambone
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+4|6903|Chi-town, USA

DakkonBlackblade wrote:

IF the invading force got to US soil, how would they hope to fight both the military and the fact that our entire populace has the ability to become armed in a matter of hours?
Matter of hours?  It only takes 7.4 seconds to get into the safe and then "It's lock and load time, baby!!"

The fact of the matter is that there's more hardware the US's civilian hands than half the collective armies of mainland Europe.  (You know that was going to be an exaggerated joke, but I wonder if it's true?)
atlvolunteer
PKMMMMMMMMMM
+27|7010|Atlanta, GA USA

Sluggit wrote:

Ever heard of North Atlantic Treaty Organisation?

There is no such thing as Europe Verses America, there is only Europe and America together!!

When WWII ended the USA had 50% of the worlds GNP Germany laid to waist. UK economy also laid to waist. Russia, well half the country was burnt down!

We (the Europeans) have so much to thank the US for sow get the taught out off your head and come down to earth.

Even tough we may not agree on every thing that the current US administration does (read foreign policy) that’s basically it.

NATO still works and major projects within such as the Joint Strike Fighter still works.

The major part of the US and European society consists of Anglo Saxon, Christian values that share in many ways the same culture and values!

The one biggest difference is the proximally 10 million Jewish votes which has had a major impact on the US foreign policy the last decades. No European country has that many Jews and therefore has taken another stand in the conflict between the State of Israel and the Palestinians!

If you not that old go for a Major in Politician Science or what ever you call it over there?
Amen brutha!  The US would never start a war with any of the European countries, and visa versa.  We may have disagreements, but I don't foresee them ever getting that bad (at least in my lifetime)
Cpt.Crambone
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Adam5286 wrote:

RoyWereForUniMare  said    "As far as I know most Canadians (that I know personally) don't want to have to do much with America at all, they just want to be left alone and in peace."
   
Are you retarded, the guy who said that Canada would be with America is from Quebec,   just a guess…. He probably knows more Canadians than you. Second of all I’m pretty sure (not positive) that America is Canada’s defense against attackers and that we and our brothers to the north have a pretty tight treaty.   Now it doesn’t even matter if the majority of the Canadians don’t want any thing to do with the American government.  the “Intelligent”  majority of Americans don’t want the American government. 


Now off topic and I know this is going to start a fight too but I gotta get this off my chest

Bush got re-elected because of a couple million Hicks with a shitty education and basically no common sense.  They love their Conservative values because the bible clearly says……….Hate blacks and gays………….hate Muslims…………….. Watch NASCAR…….. Vote Republican ………….Stem cell research is bad because u cant kill………….Death penalty is good u can kill if the death penalty………. …..Fight Wars  * I remember reading the part where Jesus said sum then like if you enemy slaps you turn……and grab your military and send them into Iraq*………..and OH yeah vote for Bush because he is “Gods candidate” 

I just get sooo pissed how these “really religious people can be soo far from Jesus’ teachings   HE PREACHED NON VIOLENCE AT ALL COST so if ur going to justify any type of violence DO NOT USE CHRISTIANITY in any WAY!!!!!!!!  (I don’t think many religions accept violence)
What?  I know the elite liberal left likes to beleive that it was "those stupid backward hicks" that took down their precious and brilliant John Kerry (who by the way had a lower GPA than the "idiot that beat him").  The fact of the matter is that there are alot of folks in the states who are sick and tired of this beauratic BS that the Dems keep peddling.  Now that isn't to say that much of the Republicans aren't guilty of that too.  The bottom line is that I, as a college educated, white collar, middle class guy, just want somebody in the White House with an ounce (about 28 grams for my European friends) of integrity.  I won't claim that Bush is a genius.  I don't even agree with him on half of his policies.  I do however appreciate that he won't stand for a bunch of smacktards from overseas trying to attack us.  He showed more restraint than I would have.
Berserk_Vampire
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Every one in the world worked together we would crush the americans but before we do an assault on them will let the terrorists cripple them with suicide bombings and etc as much as possible before we strike.

First thing we will do is burn down every mcdonalds then the us will lose there morale and free mcdonald meals and then they will drop there weapons as soon as there mcdonalds have been destroyed.

Then we put them in a giant prison and never let them out.

Execute all overweight and ugly people thats a must.
DakkonBlackblade
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Cpt.Crambone wrote:

DakkonBlackblade wrote:

IF the invading force got to US soil, how would they hope to fight both the military and the fact that our entire populace has the ability to become armed in a matter of hours?
Matter of hours?  It only takes 7.4 seconds to get into the safe and then "It's lock and load time, baby!!"

The fact of the matter is that there's more hardware the US's civilian hands than half the collective armies of mainland Europe.  (You know that was going to be an exaggerated joke, but I wonder if it's true?)
I was refering to the entire population. I for one would have to go to my friends house to become armed.  So it would take me about 15 minutes. People who have no access would just show up at Wal-Mart =p
DakkonBlackblade
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Berserk_Vampire wrote:

Every one in the world worked together we would crush the americans but before we do an assault on them will let the terrorists cripple them with suicide bombings and etc as much as possible before we strike.

First thing we will do is burn down every mcdonalds then the us will lose there morale and free mcdonald meals and then they will drop there weapons as soon as there mcdonalds have been destroyed.

Then we put them in a giant prison and never let them out.

Execute all overweight and ugly people thats a must.
You sir are now being monitored by our government
Berserk_Vampire
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+7|6927

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

Berserk_Vampire wrote:

Execute all overweight and ugly people thats a must.
Can we start with you?
I'm Gorgeous.
[Valhalla]iMac_Attack
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+2|6999|Houston, Texas

jord wrote:

America would probobly win because the european countries would wait for an enemy country to be weakened and attack them e.g:england would attack france but if europe worked together then it would be close.Bring china into this and america would easily lose.
Chine reminds me of the new movie called King Kong.  Big, expensive, fails at the box office.  If China was a tuff as they say they are why don't they take back Taiwan while we have 2 wars going on?  Because they can't.  Big egos and little pee-pee's

I am sure China's weapons are about as good as a Wal-Mart Screw driver.
Berserk_Vampire
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+7|6927

DakkonBlackblade wrote:

Berserk_Vampire wrote:

Every one in the world worked together we would crush the americans but before we do an assault on them will let the terrorists cripple them with suicide bombings and etc as much as possible before we strike.

First thing we will do is burn down every mcdonalds then the us will lose there morale and free mcdonald meals and then they will drop there weapons as soon as there mcdonalds have been destroyed.

Then we put them in a giant prison and never let them out.

Execute all overweight and ugly people thats a must.
You sir are now being monitored by our government
In that case i salute you.

*burns U.S flag*

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