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uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I knew you were going to bitch. Yeah, I am sure those places have great indigenous authors and stuff but I rarely see anything from there get major attention like Japanese or Korean stuff. I was talking completely beyond books too. Russia makes great weapons but they really aren't creating any advances in consumer goods. No one is looking to buy the latest Russian gadget or car. When was the last time one of their movies had a use adaptation made of it? I am sure Iranians make good movies by Iranian standards but the best movies coming out of the middle east right now are from ISIS. Oh and African literature is so great it started once the Europeans left and they learnt to read. All very impressive.

you have a pitiable understanding of how the market of international authors works. what's your idea of good japanese literature? murakami? lol. i hope you realise that in his native country people think he is simple and adolescent. but he's this 'great' herald of authentic east asian culture to western readers who think they are being soooo sophisticated reading a japanese guy murder 1930's existentialism in turgid prose. just because these things are outside your sphere of cultural awareness, doesn't mean they exist. stop being such a provincial little american.

and are you talking about cultures producing great art, or the cultural influence of the USA on the world stage? no shit hollywood commands the film industry (bollywood is also huge by volume and gross earnings but doesn't have the same export appeal, granted). i'm confused by your argument. you think the mark of an author's claim to worldwide fame and significance is that hollywood wants to make a cinema-friendly version? jesus christ get a grip.

and no, iranians make great movies by world-cinema standards. they win awards at cannes. they are no higher awards for film-as-art, 'cinema', the auteur/cahiers variety. they make serious movies that are acclaimed with the best of european art cinema. i'm not even going to counter your asinine african point. the africans are cultural savages because they haven't created an anime series you can whack off to yet. right. because the influence of anime on misfit maladjusted american teenagers really stakes japan's claim as art innovators.

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I knew you were going to bitch. Yeah, I am sure those places have great indigenous authors and stuff but I rarely see anything from there get major attention like Japanese or Korean stuff. I was talking completely beyond books too. Russia makes great weapons but they really aren't creating any advances in consumer goods. No one is looking to buy the latest Russian gadget or car. When was the last time one of their movies had a use adaptation made of it? I am sure Iranians make good movies by Iranian standards but the best movies coming out of the middle east right now are from ISIS. Oh and African literature is so great it started once the Europeans left and they learnt to read. All very impressive.

you have a pitiable understanding of how the market of international authors works. what's your idea of good japanese literature? murakami? lol. i hope you realise that in his native country people think he is simple and adolescent. but he's this 'great' herald of authentic east asian culture to western readers who think they are being soooo sophisticated reading a japanese guy murder 1930's existentialism in turgid prose. just because these things are outside your sphere of cultural awareness, doesn't mean they exist. stop being such a provincial little american.

and are you talking about cultures producing great art, or the cultural influence of the USA on the world stage? no shit hollywood commands the film industry (bollywood is also huge by volume and gross earnings but doesn't have the same export appeal, granted). i'm confused by your argument. you think the mark of an author's claim to worldwide fame and significance is that hollywood wants to make a cinema-friendly version? jesus christ get a grip.

and no, iranians make great movies by world-cinema standards. they win awards at cannes. they are no higher awards for film-as-art, 'cinema', the auteur/cahiers variety. they make serious movies that are acclaimed with the best of european art cinema. i'm not even going to counter your asinine african point. the africans are cultural savages because they haven't created an anime series you can whack off to yet. right. because the influence of anime on misfit maladjusted american teenagers really stakes japan's claim as art innovators.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I watched part of an international award winning Iranian movie where some scruffy Iranian was depressed because he got to hang out with a western white woman all day but didn't have a place to take her to to have sex with her at night. Bravo. A+ Iranian cinema. Won some international awards. Far leftist were real impressed.

Last edited by uziq (2015-08-12 15:53:13)

uziq wrote:

i don't think you're so genuinely stupid that you don't know that 'global cultural brands' tend to be tied to a more material form of global supremacy, i.e. economic or military. you're asking african countries that gained independence 50 years ago to compete with the american movie industry. a little puzzling how you're throwing some grand and absolute aesthetic judgement in there. great art and influential culture doesn't get made by history's losers with zero resources. that's kind of how civilisation and cultures work. it seems a little unkind and silly to denigrate them for not having made an impact because... they haven't made an impact. there are fantastic books and lots of great art in those cultures if you want to do a little bit of work to discover them. their peoples are not intrinsically stupider than western peoples. it sounds like you have had japanese literature recommended to you by a course (good for you). what makes you think that a course on slavic literature or latin american literature would be any different? because they don't have the same global/mainstream appeal or penetration? no shit. that actually has very little to do with the innate 'quality' of the art qua aesthetic object. hollywood movies are not global brands because they are the fucking pinnacle of what can be done with celluloid.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I watched part of an international award winning Iranian movie where some scruffy Iranian was depressed because he got to hang out with a western white woman all day but didn't have a place to take her to to have sex with her at night. Bravo. A+ Iranian cinema. Won some international awards. Far leftist were real impressed.

what do you know about film as an art-form? you're just appraising its content. what do you want from art-cinema? most of them tend to forgo 'peppy' plots. sum up the plot of a malick film or a bresson or a bergman or something and they are similarly pretty dry. that's kind of the name of the game. what exactly do you want from iranian cinema that will blow your mind?

your parochial and lame attitude is a bit like me dismissing all asian music because all those slit-eyed rip-off artists can come up with is terrible american pop music auto-tuned and squeezed through a yellow filter. how original! blah blah blah. how easy it is to be reductive and trash everything.

The movie was shit. I guess it made some point about poor Iranians being unable to achieve western living standards by sleeping with blondes or something but it was boring and depressing. And no one wants to watch dreary foreigners. Hence why the movie was only popular among artsy types who feel bad for Iran.

I don't listen to K or J Pop. But many other people do. People across the western world and beyond. It is like our music but different and unique in a way that sets it apart from everything else and it is a quality product people like. Nothing stopped Iran from creating I-pop except for their terrible cultural attitudes regarding their women. That is on them and their own failings as a people.

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I watched part of an international award winning Iranian movie where some scruffy Iranian was depressed because he got to hang out with a western white woman all day but didn't have a place to take her to to have sex with her at night. Bravo. A+ Iranian cinema. Won some international awards. Far leftist were real impressed.

what do you know about film as an art-form? you're just appraising its content. what do you want from art-cinema? most of them tend to forgo 'peppy' plots. sum up the plot of a malick film or a bresson or a bergman or something and they are similarly pretty dry. that's kind of the name of the game. what exactly do you want from iranian cinema that will blow your mind?

your parochial and lame attitude is a bit like me dismissing all asian music because all those slit-eyed rip-off artists can come up with is terrible american pop music auto-tuned and squeezed through a yellow filter. how original! blah blah blah. how easy it is to be reductive and trash everything.

Isn't there an academic forum somewhere for you to jizz all over or does your haughtiness only endear you amongst us plebes? You're pretty much a walking talking example of why hipsters get made fun of and academics are scorned. Congratulations.

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

where exactly are academics 'scorned'? at your blue collar bars? last time I checked academia was a more reputable profession than installing air con in schools. Moran

It gives me great joy that you will spend a large chunk of your life begging rich people for grant money. "Please sir, I just wanted to live my life with my face buried in a book so I could claim to be smarter than everybody else, can you spare some change?" You define art as serving no functional purpose. Congratulations,  your life is a work of art.

In the UK barristers prefer to take on Arts/classics/literary students than b. jurisprudence students. Apparently peeps like ziques aren't too 'technical' and have the 'art of language and argument'. Also he doesn't have to study plebian profession degrees.

uziq wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

It gives me great joy that you will spend a large chunk of your life begging rich people for grant money. "Please sir, I just wanted to live my life with my face buried in a book so I could claim to be smarter than everybody else, can you spare some change?" You define art as serving no functional purpose. Congratulations,  your life is a work of art.

In the UK barristers prefer to take on Arts/classics/literary students than b. jurisprudence students. Apparently peeps like ziques aren't too 'technical' and have the 'art of language and argument'. Also he doesn't have to study plebian profession degrees.

some of the highest performing entrants on the U.S. LSAT are philosophy grads and kids from liberal arts schools. law and esteemed professions are built on humanities grads. jay is part of that lower class arriviste group that think universities should now only be technical schools and book learning is useless. but I bet he likes showing off his book collection and writes Amazon book reviews to satisfy his little inner intellectual. a conflicted sort, most of their negativity stems from an inferiority complex. humanities in the U.S. are overwhelmingly associated with the privileged.