You asked me to join GoodReads awhile back and I took a look at it then. The reviews on the site don't seem much better than the amazon or Barnes and nobles reviews. I also have a feeling no one cares what I think about a book.
Not trying to be mean. Don't you read those 'what if one critical event in history was changed' -type books?Kmar wrote:
Which ones are you talking about kenny?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You don't count those fake history novels you read as fiction?Kmar wrote:
lol.. maybe that's why I rarely dabble in fiction. I am however hooked in finding what happens next.. What can I say ¯\(°_o)/¯ .
Boy this thread is turning into a swamp of douchebaggery.
Disagree with the reviews.. what people think about your bookshelf, you might be right.Macbeth wrote:
You asked me to join GoodReads awhile back and I took a look at it then. The reviews on the site don't seem much better than the amazon or Barnes and nobles reviews. I also have a feeling no one cares what I think about a book.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I haven't updated Goodreads in a looooooong time
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't think I've ever read any of those books.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Not trying to be mean. Don't you read those 'what if one critical event in history was changed' -type books?Kmar wrote:
Which ones are you talking about kenny?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You don't count those fake history novels you read as fiction?
Boy this thread is turning into a swamp of douchebaggery.
http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/47 … =%23ALL%23
I like the Oxford series of history in particular.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
i used to say i don't read much fiction but then i started thinking about all the books i've read and fiction covers a pretty broad swath of literature, and i've read a lot of it. It's not all social commentary, current events/world affairs, philosophy, etc. Fiction can be deep as fuck. Think about books you've read.Macbeth wrote:
I don't tread into fiction much myself. I tend to stick to academic history and am very picky when it comes to fiction. I avoid pop fiction and series like the plague. It's sort of a elitist tool thing to do but if there isn't something deeper to the story I won't bother with it. I want to learn something or maybe see the world in a different light. Robert Paterson can't help me with either of those.
How could you give the Communist Manifesto 1 star? I get that you don't agree with it but as a philosophy book it's high up there on quality/importance. Das Capital beats it but it's still a book that deserved more than one star.Kmar wrote:
I don't think I've ever read any of those books.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Not trying to be mean. Don't you read those 'what if one critical event in history was changed' -type books?Kmar wrote:
Which ones are you talking about kenny?
Boy this thread is turning into a swamp of douchebaggery.
http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/47 … =%23ALL%23
I like the Oxford series of history in particular.
Has nothing to do with agreeing with it. I actually agreed with some points. I was expecting more.. a lot more. It was a boring read. I'm certainly not alone.Macbeth wrote:
How could you give the Communist Manifesto 1 star? I get that you don't agree with it but as a philosophy book it's high up there on quality/importance. Das Capital beats it but it's still a book that deserved more than one star.Kmar wrote:
I don't think I've ever read any of those books.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Not trying to be mean. Don't you read those 'what if one critical event in history was changed' -type books?
http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/47 … =%23ALL%23
I like the Oxford series of history in particular.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Jay is a really unbiased source.
It was written in the 1800's and had a purpose. A purpose in a world much different than ours. I'm just saying the book is more deserving of a one because it was deemed boring to someone looking for entertainment in the 21 century.
Going by your reading history I'm guessing you are more interested in being entertained than informed about stuff. That's fine of course. I just think you shouldn't approach things like the CM looking for entertainment.
That's all.
It was written in the 1800's and had a purpose. A purpose in a world much different than ours. I'm just saying the book is more deserving of a one because it was deemed boring to someone looking for entertainment in the 21 century.
Going by your reading history I'm guessing you are more interested in being entertained than informed about stuff. That's fine of course. I just think you shouldn't approach things like the CM looking for entertainment.
That's all.
Considering this is my leisure reading, yes, I'm looking to be entertained. However, being entertained as well as informed are not two exclusive ideas.Macbeth wrote:
Jay is a really unbiased source.
It was written in the 1800's and had a purpose. A purpose in a world much different than ours. I'm just saying the book is more deserving of a one because it was deemed boring to someone looking for entertainment in the 21 century.
Going by your reading history I'm guessing you are more interested in being entertained than informed about stuff. That's fine of course. I just think you shouldn't approach things like the CM looking for entertainment.
That's all.
These books I've read are more informative than anything else..
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3028 … superpower
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3510 … of_Freedom
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8147 … of-freedom
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6802 … od-wrought
Xbone Stormsurgezz
This one was highly informative also
http://picplz.com/user/kmar/pic/3d4hs/
http://picplz.com/user/kmar/pic/3d4hs/
Xbone Stormsurgezz
That a book had a massive impact 200 years ago doesn't mean it's great today ... some books are just outdated and doesn't deserve more than sentimental value.Macbeth wrote:
Jay is a really unbiased source.
It was written in the 1800's and had a purpose. A purpose in a world much different than ours. I'm just saying the book is more deserving of a one because it was deemed boring to someone looking for entertainment in the 21 century.
Going by your reading history I'm guessing you are more interested in being entertained than informed about stuff. That's fine of course. I just think you shouldn't approach things like the CM looking for entertainment.
That's all.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
the communist manifesto is probably the single most important book for every single academic department in the arts in humanities since its release. marxist theory has influenced and determined pretty much every single major new critical school and theoretical movement in the 19th and 20th century. if i had to name one book from the non-fiction/academic/theoretical side of things that is probably more widely read and more widely studied than any other, it would be the manifesto. i cannot even possibly explain how deeply influential marxist thought has been on everything since. varegg, aren't you a schoolteacher? christ, just stop fucking talking.Varegg wrote:
That a book had a massive impact 200 years ago doesn't mean it's great today ... some books are just outdated and doesn't deserve more than sentimental value.Macbeth wrote:
Jay is a really unbiased source.
It was written in the 1800's and had a purpose. A purpose in a world much different than ours. I'm just saying the book is more deserving of a one because it was deemed boring to someone looking for entertainment in the 21 century.
Going by your reading history I'm guessing you are more interested in being entertained than informed about stuff. That's fine of course. I just think you shouldn't approach things like the CM looking for entertainment.
That's all.
anyway, i rarely use goodreads but it's hella better than anything else.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
I don't see the point.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Not trying to be mean. Don't you read those 'what if one critical event in history was changed' -type books?
Science Fiction: What would happen if X were to change - Is far more interesting.
History has happened, 'what-ifs' are just an exercise in pointlessness.
Fuck Israel
Fuck you Uzi.
You did quite well until your last sentence as usual where you just have to throw in an insult because of your neurotic brain failure.
Yes that particular book is truly a work of art but I was speaking in general terms, something I thought a brilliant young man like you would have noticed!
[generally speaking]All though a great book it can be boring as fuck![/generally speaking]
And no I'm not a school teacher ...
You did quite well until your last sentence as usual where you just have to throw in an insult because of your neurotic brain failure.
Yes that particular book is truly a work of art but I was speaking in general terms, something I thought a brilliant young man like you would have noticed!
[generally speaking]All though a great book it can be boring as fuck![/generally speaking]
And no I'm not a school teacher ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Actually varegg you said some books are outdated and just hold sentimental value. Why would you use that particular statement and address macbeths particular comment and then say you're speaking generally and not directly about it? Nothing about it being boring (in general terms). Uzi's response was that it's been relevant and influenced thought continuously since it was published ie an argument directly opposed to your original statement.
@dilbert: that's one of the reasons I don't like most sci-fi and fantasy- because most of it comes off as gimmicky formulaic plot-lines. 'what if 'x' was removed' with 'x' usually being something vital like oxygen or transistors. There's like 4 general sci-fi plot devices that writers use, and they more often than not take away from the story for me, not act as a storytelling vehicle.
@dilbert: that's one of the reasons I don't like most sci-fi and fantasy- because most of it comes off as gimmicky formulaic plot-lines. 'what if 'x' was removed' with 'x' usually being something vital like oxygen or transistors. There's like 4 general sci-fi plot devices that writers use, and they more often than not take away from the story for me, not act as a storytelling vehicle.
There's a lot of shit science-fiction which is just poor fiction with a science twist thrown in to divert attention - some of the crappier Asimov for example.
The better stuff takes a question and explores the consequences with some imagination.
The better stuff takes a question and explores the consequences with some imagination.
Fuck Israel
That's correct Ken ... I said some books, not that book ... and why wouldn't I use that particular statement even though it wasn't directed at that particular book?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Actually varegg you said some books are outdated and just hold sentimental value. Why would you use that particular statement and address macbeths particular comment and then say you're speaking generally and not directly about it? Nothing about it being boring (in general terms). Uzi's response was that it's been relevant and influenced thought continuously since it was published ie an argument directly opposed to your original statement.
Never argued that THAT book wasn't and kinda still is influential, have a hard time finding where I wrote that tbh ...
Lesson one: Reading is useless if you can't comprehend what you read
Lesson two: Over analyzing anything is a waste of time!
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nice backpedal, varegg. real nice. you were clearly talking about marx (macbeth had already had a to-and-fro on the subject with kmar). you said the book isn't worth reading because it was, quote, "written 200 years ago". marxism is the single biggest idea to possibly happen in the history of ideas. i know all the political anti-marxists will hate a statement like that, but... really. nothing has had such an effect on ideology, on sociology, on art and aesthetics, and on philosophy as the materialist marxian take on hegelian dialectics. the biggest philosopher up until marx was hegel, and marx carried it on. marxism is the single biggest intellectual influence on university campuses all over the world-- and i'm not just talking about the political or ideological elements of it, i.e. i'm not stating everyone on college campuses is wearing a beret and waving a red flag. there's far more to marxist thought than that; indeed, marxist thought spawns an entire version of world history and a reinvigorates a system of philosophical thinking (dialectics) that is relevant and used every day in every single department. so try again. your back pedal is painful. you look dumb. go read marx, comrade.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
You should try Heinlein then.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Actually varegg you said some books are outdated and just hold sentimental value. Why would you use that particular statement and address macbeths particular comment and then say you're speaking generally and not directly about it? Nothing about it being boring (in general terms). Uzi's response was that it's been relevant and influenced thought continuously since it was published ie an argument directly opposed to your original statement.
@dilbert: that's one of the reasons I don't like most sci-fi and fantasy- because most of it comes off as gimmicky formulaic plot-lines. 'what if 'x' was removed' with 'x' usually being something vital like oxygen or transistors. There's like 4 general sci-fi plot devices that writers use, and they more often than not take away from the story for me, not act as a storytelling vehicle.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Speak for yourself Uzi. The more I read up on Marx, the more I recognize the root of pretty much everything you say you believe here. You've been as brainwashed as any good Christian soldier. I feel sorry for you.Uzique wrote:
nice backpedal, varegg. real nice. you were clearly talking about marx (macbeth had already had a to-and-fro on the subject with kmar). you said the book isn't worth reading because it was, quote, "written 200 years ago". marxism is the single biggest idea to possibly happen in the history of ideas. i know all the political anti-marxists will hate a statement like that, but... really. nothing has had such an effect on ideology, on sociology, on art and aesthetics, and on philosophy as the materialist marxian take on hegelian dialectics. the biggest philosopher up until marx was hegel, and marx carried it on. marxism is the single biggest intellectual influence on university campuses all over the world-- and i'm not just talking about the political or ideological elements of it, i.e. i'm not stating everyone on college campuses is wearing a beret and waving a red flag. there's far more to marxist thought than that; indeed, marxist thought spawns an entire version of world history and a reinvigorates a system of philosophical thinking (dialectics) that is relevant and used every day in every single department. so try again. your back pedal is painful. you look dumb. go read marx, comrade.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
industry and marx go back like babies and pacifiers
Tu Stultus Es
Did you not read my previous post or did you simply not understand it?Uzique wrote:
nice backpedal, varegg. real nice. you were clearly talking about marx (macbeth had already had a to-and-fro on the subject with kmar). you said the book isn't worth reading because it was, quote, "written 200 years ago". marxism is the single biggest idea to possibly happen in the history of ideas. i know all the political anti-marxists will hate a statement like that, but... really. nothing has had such an effect on ideology, on sociology, on art and aesthetics, and on philosophy as the materialist marxian take on hegelian dialectics. the biggest philosopher up until marx was hegel, and marx carried it on. marxism is the single biggest intellectual influence on university campuses all over the world-- and i'm not just talking about the political or ideological elements of it, i.e. i'm not stating everyone on college campuses is wearing a beret and waving a red flag. there's far more to marxist thought than that; indeed, marxist thought spawns an entire version of world history and a reinvigorates a system of philosophical thinking (dialectics) that is relevant and used every day in every single department. so try again. your back pedal is painful. you look dumb. go read marx, comrade.
And for the record I have read that book and it was boring as fuck but that's beside the point!
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
So the more you read the more brainwashed you are?Jay wrote:
Speak for yourself Uzi. The more I read up on Marx, the more I recognize the root of pretty much everything you say you believe here. You've been as brainwashed as any good Christian soldier. I feel sorry for you.Uzique wrote:
nice backpedal, varegg. real nice. you were clearly talking about marx (macbeth had already had a to-and-fro on the subject with kmar). you said the book isn't worth reading because it was, quote, "written 200 years ago". marxism is the single biggest idea to possibly happen in the history of ideas. i know all the political anti-marxists will hate a statement like that, but... really. nothing has had such an effect on ideology, on sociology, on art and aesthetics, and on philosophy as the materialist marxian take on hegelian dialectics. the biggest philosopher up until marx was hegel, and marx carried it on. marxism is the single biggest intellectual influence on university campuses all over the world-- and i'm not just talking about the political or ideological elements of it, i.e. i'm not stating everyone on college campuses is wearing a beret and waving a red flag. there's far more to marxist thought than that; indeed, marxist thought spawns an entire version of world history and a reinvigorates a system of philosophical thinking (dialectics) that is relevant and used every day in every single department. so try again. your back pedal is painful. you look dumb. go read marx, comrade.
Great theory Jay
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
No, I've just come to realize that his opinions on pretty much everything are just regurgitated Marx.Varegg wrote:
So the more you read the more brainwashed you are?Jay wrote:
Speak for yourself Uzi. The more I read up on Marx, the more I recognize the root of pretty much everything you say you believe here. You've been as brainwashed as any good Christian soldier. I feel sorry for you.Uzique wrote:
nice backpedal, varegg. real nice. you were clearly talking about marx (macbeth had already had a to-and-fro on the subject with kmar). you said the book isn't worth reading because it was, quote, "written 200 years ago". marxism is the single biggest idea to possibly happen in the history of ideas. i know all the political anti-marxists will hate a statement like that, but... really. nothing has had such an effect on ideology, on sociology, on art and aesthetics, and on philosophy as the materialist marxian take on hegelian dialectics. the biggest philosopher up until marx was hegel, and marx carried it on. marxism is the single biggest intellectual influence on university campuses all over the world-- and i'm not just talking about the political or ideological elements of it, i.e. i'm not stating everyone on college campuses is wearing a beret and waving a red flag. there's far more to marxist thought than that; indeed, marxist thought spawns an entire version of world history and a reinvigorates a system of philosophical thinking (dialectics) that is relevant and used every day in every single department. so try again. your back pedal is painful. you look dumb. go read marx, comrade.
Great theory Jay
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat