pussy winters though, tbhlowing wrote:
Georgia is a state that enjoys all four seasons and the temps to go with them
Malloy must go
No UCameronPoe wrote:
Quantas?
Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Services
And some perspective on it's successIt is often claimed, most notably in the 1988 movie Rain Man, that Qantas has never had an aircraft crash. While it is true that the company has neither lost a jet airliner nor had any jet fatalities, it had eight fatal accidents and an aircraft shot down between 1927 and 1945, with the loss of 63 people. Half of these accidents and the shoot-down occurred during World War II, when the Qantas aircraft were operating on behalf of Allied military forces. Post-war, it lost another two aircraft with the loss of 17 lives. To this date, the last fatal accident suffered by Qantas was in 1951.
It is Australia's largest airline and is the world's second oldest continuously operating airline (behind KLM) and the oldest in the English speaking world.
You're forgetting supporting the belligerent state which is Israel.Turquoise wrote:
Our history with the Middle East does not justify the actions of terrorists, but they are worth noting in order to determine the most appropriate course of action to prevent future antagonism.
Cut that and the terrorists have pretty well no beef with the US.
I would say supporting one group which spreads terror and slaughters civilians by the thousands gives legitimacy to them spreading terror and slaughtering your civilians.
Doesn't make it right, moral or defensible but thats the way they see it.
Fuck Israel
Good point. I'm not a fan of Israel either. I personally support removing all foreign aid (and arms deals) to Israel and all other Middle Eastern countries other than Iraq and Afghanistan.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're forgetting supporting the belligerent state which is Israel.Turquoise wrote:
Our history with the Middle East does not justify the actions of terrorists, but they are worth noting in order to determine the most appropriate course of action to prevent future antagonism.
Cut that and the terrorists have pretty well no beef with the US.
I would say supporting one group which spreads terror and slaughters civilians by the thousands gives legitimacy to them spreading terror and slaughtering your civilians.
Doesn't make it right, moral or defensible but thats the way they see it.
meh. If we pulled out all our troops from the ME and gave Isreal the "Cuba" treatment starting tomorrow, they would still hate us.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're forgetting supporting the belligerent state which is Israel.Turquoise wrote:
Our history with the Middle East does not justify the actions of terrorists, but they are worth noting in order to determine the most appropriate course of action to prevent future antagonism.
Cut that and the terrorists have pretty well no beef with the US.
I would say supporting one group which spreads terror and slaughters civilians by the thousands gives legitimacy to them spreading terror and slaughtering your civilians.
Doesn't make it right, moral or defensible but thats the way they see it.
Malloy must go
That's a ridiculous thing to say. By that rationale, anyone can be said to hate everything about anywhere, as long as they hate anything about it.lowing wrote:
Well when your stated objective is to destroy the west. Yeah pretty much they hate the west and the freedoms we enjoyUzique wrote:
9/11 was a result of Osama Bin Laden hating your freedom?lowing wrote:
Actually yes they did.
What?
That wasn't a reason, that was the propagandist response from your government; unite against the enemy people, for they hate our freedom!!!1111
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True... If we did stop supporting Israel or any other country over there, some people would still try to attack us. Still, the number of people trying to attack us would probably decrease.deeznutz1245 wrote:
meh. If we pulled out all our troops from the ME and gave Isreal the "Cuba" treatment starting tomorrow, they would still hate us.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're forgetting supporting the belligerent state which is Israel.Turquoise wrote:
Our history with the Middle East does not justify the actions of terrorists, but they are worth noting in order to determine the most appropriate course of action to prevent future antagonism.
Cut that and the terrorists have pretty well no beef with the US.
I would say supporting one group which spreads terror and slaughters civilians by the thousands gives legitimacy to them spreading terror and slaughtering your civilians.
Doesn't make it right, moral or defensible but thats the way they see it.
After everything the US has done they are going to hate you for a generation or two.Deeznutz wrote:
meh. If we pulled out all our troops from the ME and gave Isreal the "Cuba" treatment starting tomorrow, they would still hate us.
As ye sow shall ye reap.
And why would you need to give them the 'Cuba treatment'?
That would be a childish and petulant as what has happened to Cuba.
Fuck Israel
Whatever. I was giving an example to the extreme to emphasize ignoring them to the fullest. Try not to wrinkle your face anymore.Dilbert_X wrote:
After everything the US has done they are going to hate you for a generation or two.Deeznutz wrote:
meh. If we pulled out all our troops from the ME and gave Isreal the "Cuba" treatment starting tomorrow, they would still hate us.
As ye sow shall ye reap.
And why would you need to give them the 'Cuba treatment'?
That would be a childish and petulant as what has happened to Cuba.
Malloy must go
There's a difference between ignoring and what the US has done to Cuba.
Fuck Israel
Who the fuck cares? Stop trying to debate something when there is nothing to debate. Jesus Fuck, are you that desperate to hear yourself that you pick apart my metaphors now? If I told my wife to "knock it off, or I'll Ike your ass" , I am pretty sure she would know I wouldn't actually go Ike Turner on her. Go fix your fucking beret or something in the mirror.Dilbert_X wrote:
There's a difference between ignoring and what the US has done to Cuba.
Malloy must go
They just use Israel as an excuse. If we didn't support Israel, they'd find another reason...probably a more relevant reason.Turquoise wrote:
Good point. I'm not a fan of Israel either. I personally support removing all foreign aid (and arms deals) to Israel and all other Middle Eastern countries other than Iraq and Afghanistan.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're forgetting supporting the belligerent state which is Israel.Turquoise wrote:
Our history with the Middle East does not justify the actions of terrorists, but they are worth noting in order to determine the most appropriate course of action to prevent future antagonism.
Cut that and the terrorists have pretty well no beef with the US.
I would say supporting one group which spreads terror and slaughters civilians by the thousands gives legitimacy to them spreading terror and slaughtering your civilians.
Doesn't make it right, moral or defensible but thats the way they see it.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
What's more relevant than your support for a state that occupies their territory?FEOS wrote:
They just use Israel as an excuse. If we didn't support Israel, they'd find another reason...probably a more relevant reason.Turquoise wrote:
Good point. I'm not a fan of Israel either. I personally support removing all foreign aid (and arms deals) to Israel and all other Middle Eastern countries other than Iraq and Afghanistan.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're forgetting supporting the belligerent state which is Israel.
Cut that and the terrorists have pretty well no beef with the US.
I would say supporting one group which spreads terror and slaughters civilians by the thousands gives legitimacy to them spreading terror and slaughtering your civilians.
Doesn't make it right, moral or defensible but thats the way they see it.
The Arab world couldn't give a squirt of piss for the Palestinian people. They've proven that time and again. The Arab-Israeli conflict goes back thousands of years and has nothing to do with the Palestinians.ghettoperson wrote:
What's more relevant than your support for a state that occupies their territory?FEOS wrote:
They just use Israel as an excuse. If we didn't support Israel, they'd find another reason...probably a more relevant reason.Turquoise wrote:
Good point. I'm not a fan of Israel either. I personally support removing all foreign aid (and arms deals) to Israel and all other Middle Eastern countries other than Iraq and Afghanistan.
If the Arab world gave a crap about the Palestinians, they would've offered aid from the beginning. They didn't do shit for them then, they won't do shit for them now...except to say "we're with you brother". That is, until Palestine actually needs something, then the Arab world has something more interesting to do.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
So why do terrorists hate the US then, are they jealous of your freedom?FEOS wrote:
The Arab world couldn't give a squirt of piss for the Palestinian people. They've proven that time and again. The Arab-Israeli conflict goes back thousands of years and has nothing to do with the Palestinians.ghettoperson wrote:
What's more relevant than your support for a state that occupies their territory?FEOS wrote:
They just use Israel as an excuse. If we didn't support Israel, they'd find another reason...probably a more relevant reason.
If the Arab world gave a crap about the Palestinians, they would've offered aid from the beginning. They didn't do shit for them then, they won't do shit for them now...except to say "we're with you brother". That is, until Palestine actually needs something, then the Arab world has something more interesting to do.
Aprt from in 1948, when they fought to prevent the creation of Israel, and 1973 with the oil embargo.FEOS wrote:
The Arab world couldn't give a squirt of piss for the Palestinian people.
There is no particular enmity AFAIK, any more than between any other races.FEOS wrote:
The Arab-Israeli conflict goes back thousands of years and has nothing to do with the Palestinians.
It was the Romans who fucked over the Israelis.
There have been jews living in Arabian countries, including Palestine for 1,000s of years with no real issue.
It was the Zionists who fucked everything up.
Not really, support for Israel has thoroughly provoked them and created radical Islam, militancy and terrorism as a direct result however.FEOS wrote:
They just use Israel as an excuse. If we didn't support Israel, they'd find another reason...probably a more relevant reason.
If the US chooses to continue to provoke them thats up to you, and you guys can continue to worry about aircraft security procedures.
In Aus we generally have a couple of bikies flying first class in each plane so its less of an issue.
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Fuck Israel
They do not attack JUST the US in case you haven't kept up with the papers. They attack western civilization, and yes it is because they hate our morality and our values. THey are not in line with Islamic teachings.ghettoperson wrote:
So why do terrorists hate the US then, are they jealous of your freedom?FEOS wrote:
The Arab world couldn't give a squirt of piss for the Palestinian people. They've proven that time and again. The Arab-Israeli conflict goes back thousands of years and has nothing to do with the Palestinians.ghettoperson wrote:
What's more relevant than your support for a state that occupies their territory?
If the Arab world gave a crap about the Palestinians, they would've offered aid from the beginning. They didn't do shit for them then, they won't do shit for them now...except to say "we're with you brother". That is, until Palestine actually needs something, then the Arab world has something more interesting to do.
Apparently not, because if you are gunna tell me they do not stick then you are a liar. I have been around the block myself their pal.jord wrote:
So do my credentials of living all my life in this town, going to school with 40% Muslims, having a Muslim friend, seeing Muslims everywhere I go not perhaps qualify me to make a better judgement than you?lowing wrote:
Georgia is a state that enjoys all four seasons and the temps to go with themjord wrote:
Actually since I live in the town with the 3rd highest percentage of Muslims in the UK I think I have met more than enough to decide that they infact, do not smell...
And I have no idea how hot Georgia is. I'll assume it's temporate.
Not when destroying western civilization and installing Islamic law in its place has been stated as an objectivemikkel wrote:
That's a ridiculous thing to say. By that rationale, anyone can be said to hate everything about anywhere, as long as they hate anything about it.lowing wrote:
Well when your stated objective is to destroy the west. Yeah pretty much they hate the west and the freedoms we enjoyUzique wrote:
9/11 was a result of Osama Bin Laden hating your freedom?
What?
That wasn't a reason, that was the propagandist response from your government; unite against the enemy people, for they hate our freedom!!!1111
lol. Muslims don't smell lowing, dirty people do - and one of the main tenets of Islam is regular ritual washing. Don't let your racism get in the way of your splendidly objective posts..... lollowing wrote:
Never mind you just name the nations with some of the best safety history.CameronPoe wrote:
The safest form of travel is probably to board a plane that contains no Brits, Americans or Israelis, i.e. to board a plane with little or no targets of terrorism.
Go ahead and board a plane fulla Muslims in the ME, if you can stand the stench.. Oh wait, did I just stereotype? Nope it is pretty much a fact.
Is someone going to target Aer Lingus? Don't think so. Is someone going to target Copa Airlines? Don't think so. Someone going to target Pan Am (RIP)? You bet. Someone going to target El Al? Sure are. Someone going to blow up a plane over Scotland? Libya to be precise...
Aren't you the one that complains when he is called something he is not? Don't call me a liar, you get what you give out.lowing wrote:
Apparently not, because if you are gunna tell me they do not stick then you are a liar. I have been around the block myself their pal.jord wrote:
So do my credentials of living all my life in this town, going to school with 40% Muslims, having a Muslim friend, seeing Muslims everywhere I go not perhaps qualify me to make a better judgement than you?lowing wrote:
Georgia is a state that enjoys all four seasons and the temps to go with them
Some smell, some don't, on a very similar ratio to Caucasian people, or Chinese people. I haven't noticed a massive amount of Muslims stinking up the place, or I would complain and tell them. I don't know what block you have been round but it must of been one where showers and deodorant are in short supply, say, the middle east?
Part of it literally results from propaganda spread by Soviets.ghettoperson wrote:
So why do terrorists hate the US then, are they jealous of your freedom?FEOS wrote:
The Arab world couldn't give a squirt of piss for the Palestinian people. They've proven that time and again. The Arab-Israeli conflict goes back thousands of years and has nothing to do with the Palestinians.ghettoperson wrote:
What's more relevant than your support for a state that occupies their territory?
If the Arab world gave a crap about the Palestinians, they would've offered aid from the beginning. They didn't do shit for them then, they won't do shit for them now...except to say "we're with you brother". That is, until Palestine actually needs something, then the Arab world has something more interesting to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionology
The Soviets had their own anti-Semites before Israel became an issue, and once Israel was an issue, the Soviets added fuel to the fire by demonizing Jews.
Our alliance with Israel made us guilty by association in the eyes of many.
Other reasons involve our actions in the Middle East.
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For the most part, Arabs really don't give a shit about the Palestinians though. They definitely tend to hate Israel, but hating Israel and caring for the Palestinians aren't always mutually inclusive.Dilbert_X wrote:
Aprt from in 1948, when they fought to prevent the creation of Israel, and 1973 with the oil embargo.FEOS wrote:
The Arab world couldn't give a squirt of piss for the Palestinian people.There is no particular enmity AFAIK, any more than between any other races.FEOS wrote:
The Arab-Israeli conflict goes back thousands of years and has nothing to do with the Palestinians.
It was the Romans who fucked over the Israelis.
There have been jews living in Arabian countries, including Palestine for 1,000s of years with no real issue.
It was the Zionists who fucked everything up.Not really, support for Israel has thoroughly provoked them and created radical Islam, militancy and terrorism as a direct result however.FEOS wrote:
They just use Israel as an excuse. If we didn't support Israel, they'd find another reason...probably a more relevant reason.
If the US chooses to continue to provoke them thats up to you, and you guys can continue to worry about aircraft security procedures.
In Aus we generally have a couple of bikies flying first class in each plane so its less of an issue.
Yer right dirty people stink Cam, now tell me that all of your travels throught the ME you have not smelled the stink, go ahead, lie to me.CameronPoe wrote:
lol. Muslims don't smell lowing, dirty people do - and one of the main tenets of Islam is regular ritual washing. Don't let your racism get in the way of your splendidly objective posts..... lollowing wrote:
Never mind you just name the nations with some of the best safety history.CameronPoe wrote:
The safest form of travel is probably to board a plane that contains no Brits, Americans or Israelis, i.e. to board a plane with little or no targets of terrorism.
Go ahead and board a plane fulla Muslims in the ME, if you can stand the stench.. Oh wait, did I just stereotype? Nope it is pretty much a fact.
Is someone going to target Aer Lingus? Don't think so. Is someone going to target Copa Airlines? Don't think so. Someone going to target Pan Am (RIP)? You bet. Someone going to target El Al? Sure are. Someone going to blow up a plane over Scotland? Libya to be precise...
DO not think for a second, if Islamic radicals could get a bomb on Air Lingus that they wouldn't. You are not THAT niave are you?
Oh and CAM? Islam is not a race, it is a religion and a culture.
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Add Kuwait to the list, a lot of Mercedes but no deodorant, and way? Because it is not used, not because it is not available.jord wrote:
Aren't you the one that complains when he is called something he is not? Don't call me a liar, you get what you give out.lowing wrote:
Apparently not, because if you are gunna tell me they do not stick then you are a liar. I have been around the block myself their pal.jord wrote:
So do my credentials of living all my life in this town, going to school with 40% Muslims, having a Muslim friend, seeing Muslims everywhere I go not perhaps qualify me to make a better judgement than you?
Some smell, some don't, on a very similar ratio to Caucasian people, or Chinese people. I haven't noticed a massive amount of Muslims stinking up the place, or I would complain and tell them. I don't know what block you have been round but it must of been one where showers and deodorant are in short supply, say, the middle east?