I feel bad for the illegals that are here and working... but citizens are going to get upset about this...
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So that is like what? 6 or 7 houses?Article wrote:
Untold thousands of illegal immigrants live in public housing
Wow... I suppose amnesty might not be such a bad idea if they already are getting taxpayer benefits. They should pay into the system, and the only way they will is if they are either given citizenship or some sort of work visa.
No offense Turquoise, but you live in North Carolina. Come to a border state and you'll definitely have a different opinion.Turquoise wrote:
Wow... I suppose amnesty might not be such a bad idea if they already are getting taxpayer benefits. They should pay into the system, and the only way they will is if they are either given citizenship or some sort of work visa.
/rant 1
Like the number of emergency rooms that have had to close because of so many illegals?
Like the 4 hour wait you have at an emergency room (that fucking sucked btw)
Like how your kid is in a classroom with 35 kids, 10 of whom are illegal.
Like how outside of every Home Depot there are 10-15 illegals looking for work yet border patrol cars/police don't do anything about it.
Like how illegals can get mortgages and apparently have a high default rate
Like how illegals drive without insurance (its mandatory now that we have uninsured moterist insurance on our policies)
Like how local businesses exploit illegals so they can underbid their legal competition (i.e. the construction/food service/lawn care businesses)
Now do I hate illegals, no, my parents came here legally and are now citizens (father joined the marines too), but I do hate the fact that the countries they come from encourage this kind of thing.
If these countries could take care of their citizens then they wouldn't need to break our laws.
Look at Mexico for example, just accross the border they have so many people being killed, more than in most parts of Iraq!!! Last year we had a record year in kidnappings in San Diego County (U.S. citizens kidnapped into Mexico).
And the liberials in our country who ignore it because it'll get them votes, and the conservatives in our country that'll give them a source of cheap labor...bah.
/rant 0
I know what you're saying, but trust me... I know what it's about. North Carolina might not be a border state, but we are considered a "sanctuary state" for illegals. Per capita, I think we have the 3rd or 4th largest proportion of illegals in our population among all states.Harmor wrote:
No offense Turquoise, but you live in North Carolina. Come to a border state and you'll definitely have a different opinion.Turquoise wrote:
Wow... I suppose amnesty might not be such a bad idea if they already are getting taxpayer benefits. They should pay into the system, and the only way they will is if they are either given citizenship or some sort of work visa.
/rant 1
Like the number of emergency rooms that have had to close because of so many illegals?
Like the 4 hour wait you have at an emergency room (that fucking sucked btw)
Like how your kid is in a classroom with 35 kids, 10 of whom are illegal.
Like how outside of every Home Depot there are 10-15 illegals looking for work yet border patrol cars/police don't do anything about it.
Like how illegals can get mortgages and apparently have a high default rate
Like how illegals drive without insurance (its mandatory now that we have uninsured moterist insurance on our policies)
Like how local businesses exploit illegals so they can underbid their legal competition (i.e. the construction/food service/lawn care businesses)
Now do I hate illegals, no, my parents came here legally and are now citizens (father joined the marines too), but I do hate the fact that the countries they come from encourage this kind of thing.
If these countries could take care of their citizens then they wouldn't need to break our laws.
Look at Mexico for example, just accross the border they have so many people being killed, more than in most parts of Iraq!!! Last year we had a record year in kidnappings in San Diego County (U.S. citizens kidnapped into Mexico).
And the liberials in our country who ignore it because it'll get them votes, and the conservatives in our country that'll give them a source of cheap labor...bah.
/rant 0
We have a lot of agriculture, which typically employs migrant labor of one form or another. We also have huge construction and landscaping markets that also employ some illegals. Locally speaking, there's a city not far from where I live that's called Siler City. It's basically Little Mexico, and I'd bet the INS could have a field day over there.
I don't like the situation we're currently in because of illegals, but my general feeling on this is that they're using our system already. The best thing we can do is get them to pay into it. That's only going to happen through some sort of amnesty.
The only other option is to prosecute all employers of illegals vigorously, but that's not going to happen, because they are a large voting bloc.
Q - How many Mexicans can you fit in one apartment?
A - One more.
A - One more.
Malloy must go
How many kids does a Mexican family have?deeznutz1245 wrote:
Q - How many Mexicans can you fit in one apartment?
A - One more.
One more please.
inb4Grape
#1 California: 2,209,000
#2 Texas: 1,041,000
#3 New York: 489,000
#4 Illinois: 432,000
#5 Florida: 337,000
#6 Arizona: 283,000
#7 Georgia: 228,000
#8 New Jersey: 221,000
#9 North Carolina: 206,000
#10 Colorado: 144,000
#11 Washington: 136,000
#12 Virginia: 103,000
#13 Nevada: 101,000
#14 Oregon: 90,000
#15 Massachusetts: 87,000
#16 Michigan: 70,000
#17 Utah: 65,000
#18 Minnesota: 60,000
#19 Maryland: 56,000
#20 Pennsylvania: 49,000
#21 Kansas: 47,000
#22 Tennessee: 46,000
#23 Oklahoma: 46,000
#24 Indiana: 45,000
#25 Wisconsin: 41,000
#26 Ohio: 40,000
#27 Connecticut: 39,000
#28 New Mexico: 39,000
#29 South Carolina: 36,000
#30 Arkansas: 27,000
#31 Alabama: 24,000
#32 Iowa: 24,000
#33 Nebraska: 24,000
#34 Missouri: 22,000
#35 Idaho: 19,000
#36 Rhode Island: 16,000
#37 Kentucky: 15,000
#38 Delaware: 10,000
#39 Mississippi: 8,000
#40 District of Columbia: 7,000
#41 Louisiana: 5,000
#42 Alaska: 5,000
#43 Hawaii: 2,000
Total: 6,994,000
Weighted average: 162,651.2
** I think this census is 8 years old, but you get the idea.
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_es … immigrants
#2 Texas: 1,041,000
#3 New York: 489,000
#4 Illinois: 432,000
#5 Florida: 337,000
#6 Arizona: 283,000
#7 Georgia: 228,000
#8 New Jersey: 221,000
#9 North Carolina: 206,000
#10 Colorado: 144,000
#11 Washington: 136,000
#12 Virginia: 103,000
#13 Nevada: 101,000
#14 Oregon: 90,000
#15 Massachusetts: 87,000
#16 Michigan: 70,000
#17 Utah: 65,000
#18 Minnesota: 60,000
#19 Maryland: 56,000
#20 Pennsylvania: 49,000
#21 Kansas: 47,000
#22 Tennessee: 46,000
#23 Oklahoma: 46,000
#24 Indiana: 45,000
#25 Wisconsin: 41,000
#26 Ohio: 40,000
#27 Connecticut: 39,000
#28 New Mexico: 39,000
#29 South Carolina: 36,000
#30 Arkansas: 27,000
#31 Alabama: 24,000
#32 Iowa: 24,000
#33 Nebraska: 24,000
#34 Missouri: 22,000
#35 Idaho: 19,000
#36 Rhode Island: 16,000
#37 Kentucky: 15,000
#38 Delaware: 10,000
#39 Mississippi: 8,000
#40 District of Columbia: 7,000
#41 Louisiana: 5,000
#42 Alaska: 5,000
#43 Hawaii: 2,000
Total: 6,994,000
Weighted average: 162,651.2
** I think this census is 8 years old, but you get the idea.
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_es … immigrants
Malloy must go
I took your data of the estimated illegals per state and crossed them with the 2000 Census population for each state to determine the per Capita (number of illegals per United State Citizen) and came up with this:
California has 15.3 United States citizens for each illegal, while North Carolina has 39.1 citizens to illegal ratio. California has the highest per capita illegals of all the 50 states.
Need I cite data that shows how much each illegal costs the government to support?
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State Illegals Population Per Capita California 2209000 33871648 15.3 Arizona 283000 5130632 18.1 Nevada 101000 1998257 19.8 Texas 1041000 20851820 20.0 Illinois 432000 12419293 28.7 Colorado 144000 4301261 29.9 Utah 65000 2233169 34.4 Georgia 228000 8186453 35.9 Oregon 90000 3421399 38.0 New Jersey 221000 8414350 38.1 New York 489000 18976457 38.8 North Carolina 206000 8049313 39.1 Washington 136000 5894121 43.3 New Mexico 39000 1819046 46.6 Florida 337000 15982378 47.4 Kansas 47000 2688418 57.2 Rhode Island 16000 1048319 65.5 Idaho 19000 1293953 68.1 Virginia 103000 7078515 68.7 Nebraska 24000 1711263 71.3 Massachusetts 87000 6349097 73.0 Oklahoma 46000 3450654 75.0 Delaware 10000 783600 78.4 D.C 7000 572059 81.7 Minnesota 60000 4919479 82.0 Connecticut 39000 3405565 87.3 Maryland 56000 5296486 94.6 Arkansas 27000 2673400 99.0 South Carolina 36000 4012012 111.4 Iowa 24000 2926324 121.9 Tennessee 46000 5689283 123.7 Alaska 5000 626932 125.4 Wisconsin 41000 5363675 130.8 Indiana 45000 6080485 135.1 Michigan 70000 9938444 142.0 Alabama 24000 4447100 185.3 Pennsylvania 49000 12281054 250.6 Missouri 22000 5595211 254.3 Kentucky 15000 4041769 269.5 Ohio 40000 11353140 283.8 Mississippi 8000 2844658 355.6 Hawaii 2000 1211537 605.8 Louisiana 5000 4468976 893.8
Need I cite data that shows how much each illegal costs the government to support?
Source: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.htmlHouseholds headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
I stand corrected. Unless things have changed dramatically in the last 8 years, it looks like N.C.'s per capita ratio isn't so bad after all. Thank you for giving me more reason to be hopeful about N.C.'s future.
But yeah... Wow... I suppose it is on a different level out in Cali... Although, I'd be willing to bet that Texas has since surpassed Cali's ratio by now. There's more economic growth and a much cheaper cost of living in Texas than in California.
Also, note that I didn't question the notion that illegals cost us a shitload. My only suggestion is that enfranchising them would get them to pay us back some of what they cost us. Deporting all of them seems like it would be rather difficult.
But yeah... Wow... I suppose it is on a different level out in Cali... Although, I'd be willing to bet that Texas has since surpassed Cali's ratio by now. There's more economic growth and a much cheaper cost of living in Texas than in California.
Also, note that I didn't question the notion that illegals cost us a shitload. My only suggestion is that enfranchising them would get them to pay us back some of what they cost us. Deporting all of them seems like it would be rather difficult.
Last edited by Turquoise (2009-01-03 19:14:11)
They should move to Colorado...there they will be able to pay in-state tuition!
Hmm looking at that graph what is the percentage of population that is illegals.. And remember they're illegals so that number is probably lower then what it is..
Holy fuck shit our nations youth needs to learn to flip burgers.. Something really needs to be done and the only thing that can would be to change our taxation policys.
Holy fuck shit our nations youth needs to learn to flip burgers.. Something really needs to be done and the only thing that can would be to change our taxation policys.
Also I"m a firm believer that we as a country shouldn't be putting our well being at risk for someone else.. Illegals say they do the jobs here that no one wants to, well obviously they're not willing to do the jobs that people want in there countries.
Pretty much...Harmor wrote:
They should move to Colorado...there they will be able to pay in-state tuition!
I don't know... border security seems to have become farcical now.
If we've gotten to the point where we're giving illegals in-state tuition... fuck it.
We're slitting our own throats at this point. We deserve to fall if we're this stupid.
Remember that America is Immigrant friendly I wonder if native Americans are laughing in there casino's right now
We're cheap labor friendly. We're friendly to the idea of making more money no matter the costs it might incur on society.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Remember that America is Immigrant friendly I wonder if native Americans are laughing in there casino's right now
Yeah we're pretty much have the old city state mentality.. It's funny that we're so much more advanced but we're basically running on the same society of thousands of years ago.Turquoise wrote:
We're cheap labor friendly. We're friendly to the idea of making more money no matter the costs it might incur on society.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Remember that America is Immigrant friendly I wonder if native Americans are laughing in there casino's right now
Nope, by using stolen identities most of them have payroll taxes withheld from their checks, unless the business operates on cash. They usually do not get tax returns however.Turquoise wrote:
Wow... I suppose amnesty might not be such a bad idea if they already are getting taxpayer benefits. They should pay into the system, and the only way they will is if they are either given citizenship or some sort of work visa.
The government needs to secure the borders. Not doing so is turning us into a third world shithole.
My thoughts exactly. They take up way too much time ad money from those who are paying the taxes and shit.Harmor wrote:
No offense Turquoise, but you live in North Carolina. Come to a border state and you'll definitely have a different opinion.Turquoise wrote:
Wow... I suppose amnesty might not be such a bad idea if they already are getting taxpayer benefits. They should pay into the system, and the only way they will is if they are either given citizenship or some sort of work visa.
/rant 1
Like the number of emergency rooms that have had to close because of so many illegals?
Like the 4 hour wait you have at an emergency room (that fucking sucked btw)
Like how your kid is in a classroom with 35 kids, 10 of whom are illegal.
Like how outside of every Home Depot there are 10-15 illegals looking for work yet border patrol cars/police don't do anything about it.
Like how illegals can get mortgages and apparently have a high default rate
Like how illegals drive without insurance (its mandatory now that we have uninsured moterist insurance on our policies)
Like how local businesses exploit illegals so they can underbid their legal competition (i.e. the construction/food service/lawn care businesses)
Now do I hate illegals, no, my parents came here legally and are now citizens (father joined the marines too), but I do hate the fact that the countries they come from encourage this kind of thing.
If these countries could take care of their citizens then they wouldn't need to break our laws.
Look at Mexico for example, just accross the border they have so many people being killed, more than in most parts of Iraq!!! Last year we had a record year in kidnappings in San Diego County (U.S. citizens kidnapped into Mexico).
And the liberials in our country who ignore it because it'll get them votes, and the conservatives in our country that'll give them a source of cheap labor...bah.
/rant 0
"I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary; too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson
Last edited by nickb64 (2009-04-04 13:36:20)
We did that already.. If law "A" isn't being enforced what makes people think law "B" will be?Turquoise wrote:
Wow... I suppose amnesty might not be such a bad idea if they already are getting taxpayer benefits. They should pay into the system, and the only way they will is if they are either given citizenship or some sort of work visa.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Those minimum wage jobs used to be reserved for HS school students for pocket money. However, now, they are supposed to be a "living wage" because it isn't "fair" that they do not earn as much as a fuckin CEO.Dilbert_X wrote:
Someone has to flip your burgers, they might as well have somewhere to live.
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