BF2S Forums Bush Ducks Shoes Thrown in Iraqi Leader’s Office

Kmarion wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

We've seen enough of these with Bush.

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Nice flippant jpg there Kmar. I don't suppose you had to deal with having your nation invaded, thousands of your compatriots killed and your nation thrown into anarchy. I guess you wouldn't be throwing shoes in anger at the man responsible - oh that's right I forgot: you invaded two countries when that happened.... You threw more than a few shoes after Pearl Harbour if I recall correctly too. I find it odd that you would belittle someone who livid at someone from thousand of miles away who is responsible for visiting untold death and destruction on his nation.

You can't possibly be serious. I was responding to Ultrafunkula's "learn to throw ffs" remark. As far as I know the man did fail. He had eight years to practice. Someone should taught him how to lead with his throws.

Random Task gets a good spin on his

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Hmm yes, all the groups led by people like Muqtada or Hezbollah really want the best for Iraq don't they?

I don't see education to have disappeared either. Last couple of reports I've seen have showed an increase in children visiting schools as well as women being allowed to move freely around and live a normal life. I don't see all the roads and railways to have disappeared either.

Problem is you're too quick to call 'fail' on anything that features any bad elements and that it is destined to fail. If you think Iraq will be worse off than it was under huggy-Saddam then you've missed something.

What the biggest vote winning bloc in Iraq want for Iraq is of no concern to you. They were voted for by Iraqis on the basis of their manifestos. What you believe to be 'best for Iraq' really doesn't matter a bit in that context.

Women were always allowed to work and learn in Saddam-era Iraq. Now the burqa is back with a vengeance -fact. Look at the elected political parties for Christ's sake: it's Islamorama! Have you seen photos of Iraq? What on earth do you think bombers were bombing if it wasn't roads, bridges and highways? That's what bomber planes do...

I'm calling fail on the entire concept of what was engaged in. What the future holds for Iraq is hopefully rosy and hopefully wholly Iraqi-led, whatever that future may be.

Those bridges, roads and highways have been repaired, I don't believe I've seen anything as of late showing roads that have vanished or are completely unusable. Bit strange that a very large bridge was re-opened so that two factions could meet and greet each other if all the bridges were taken out isn't it?

As for 'best for Iraq' then your belief of letting them run rampant with leaders who clearly want to put it into a state under their total and full control doesn't matter either.

Also guessing you missed that report with the woman who can wear whatever she likes because I don't see the majority wearing burqa's.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2008-12-15 09:33:20)

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Power and clean water weren't exactly widespread during Saddam's reign. The Iraqis have to do as much about solving their power issues as anyone else, they have to maintain and regulate their systems because if they can't do it now, they never will.

Links please.

Links to them having awsm power and water facilities?

I know they don't have good systems right now, they're still being implemented but they weren't exactly splendid when Saddam was around either.

MEDICAL NOTES ON IRAQ

34,000 The number of Iraqi physicians registered before the 2003 war.

18,000 The estimated number of Iraqi physicians who have left since the 2003 invasion.

2,000 The estimated number of Iraqi physicians murdered since 2003.

250 The number of Iraqi physicians kidnapped.

34 The number of reconstructive surgeons in Iraq before the 2003 invasion.

20 The number who have either been murdered or fled. 72 per cent of Iraqis needing reconstructive surgery are suffering from gunshot or blast wounds.

$1bn The amount of money the US administration has spent on Iraq's healthcare system.

$8bn The amount of money needed over the next 4 years to fund the health care system

70 The percentage of deaths among children caused by "easily treatable conditions" such as diarrhoea and respiratory illnesses.

270,000 The number of children born after 2003 who have had no immunisations.

164 The number of nurses murdered - 77 wounded.

68 The percentage of Iraqis with no access to safe drinking water.

81 The percentage of Iraqis with no sewerage access.

Nice job guys.

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 20850.html

Last edited by Braddock (2008-12-15 09:32:54)

M.O.A.B wrote:

Those bridges, roads and highways have been repaired, I don't believe I've seen anything as of late showing roads that have vanished or are completely unusable. Bit strange that a very large bridge was re-opened so that two factions could meet and greet each other if all the bridges were taken out isn't it?

As for 'best for Iraq' then your belief of letting them run rampant with leaders who clearly want to put it into a state under their total and full control doesn't matter either.

Also guessing you missed that report with the woman who can wear whatever she likes because I don't see the majority wearing burqa's.

Let's face it - we broke it, we should at least pay for the repairs. Repairs are under way yes - all repairs completed?
Yeah women can wear what they like, as they could under Saddam - except now there is an elevated chance they'll be beaten/raped/killed... M.O.A.B., barbers are being executed by Islamic extremists for 'unIslamic activity'. That didn't really happen under Saddam, he killed people for other equally retarded reasons. What's the big improvement?
As regards Iraqi politics - are you suggesting you should rein in the democratic will of the Iraqi people? You seem to suggest so. You suggest that letting the biggest democratically elected voting bloc 'run rampant' is something that should have something done about it. Do you want to impose your will on them?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-12-15 09:44:38)

Poseidon wrote:

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Can we get a GIF of that?

Ask and ye shall recieve:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150 … shShoe.gif

LMAO - it's like dodgeball

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Those bridges, roads and highways have been repaired, I don't believe I've seen anything as of late showing roads that have vanished or are completely unusable. Bit strange that a very large bridge was re-opened so that two factions could meet and greet each other if all the bridges were taken out isn't it?

As for 'best for Iraq' then your belief of letting them run rampant with leaders who clearly want to put it into a state under their total and full control doesn't matter either.

Also guessing you missed that report with the woman who can wear whatever she likes because I don't see the majority wearing burqa's.

Let's face it - we broke it, we should at least pay for the repairs. Repairs are under way yes - all repairs completed?
Yeah women can wear what they like, as they could under Saddam - except now there is an elevated chance they'll be beaten/raped/killed... M.O.A.B., barbers are being executed by Islamic extremists for 'unIslamic activity'. That didn't really happen under Saddam, he killed people for other reasons.
As regards Iraqi politics - are you suggesting you should rein in the democratic will of the Iraqi people? You seem to suggest so. You suggest that letting the biggest democratically elected voting bloc 'run rampant' is something that should have something done about it. Do you want to impose your will on them?

One day you'll realise that democratically elected parties aren't all gumdrops and sugar and that they can have (shocker) agendas not associated with helping their people. Nothing happens overnight, repairs take time, changes take time, bad things come before good, night followed by dawn and all that. And when did I suggest I should control Iraqi Politics hmm?

CameronPoe wrote:

mtamosaitis wrote:

where was the secret service to jump in front of that shoe?

tbh I was a bit surprised at the laxness of the security. He had time to get his second shoe ffs.

You would think that they would have seen him take off his shoes or at least be a little worried when bent down and then came back up with a shoe in his hand. Something you know.

M.O.A.B wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Those bridges, roads and highways have been repaired, I don't believe I've seen anything as of late showing roads that have vanished or are completely unusable. Bit strange that a very large bridge was re-opened so that two factions could meet and greet each other if all the bridges were taken out isn't it?

As for 'best for Iraq' then your belief of letting them run rampant with leaders who clearly want to put it into a state under their total and full control doesn't matter either.

Also guessing you missed that report with the woman who can wear whatever she likes because I don't see the majority wearing burqa's.

Let's face it - we broke it, we should at least pay for the repairs. Repairs are under way yes - all repairs completed?
Yeah women can wear what they like, as they could under Saddam - except now there is an elevated chance they'll be beaten/raped/killed... M.O.A.B., barbers are being executed by Islamic extremists for 'unIslamic activity'. That didn't really happen under Saddam, he killed people for other reasons.
As regards Iraqi politics - are you suggesting you should rein in the democratic will of the Iraqi people? You seem to suggest so. You suggest that letting the biggest democratically elected voting bloc 'run rampant' is something that should have something done about it. Do you want to impose your will on them?

One day you'll realise that democratically elected parties aren't all gumdrops and sugar and that they can have (shocker) agendas not associated with helping their people. Nothing happens overnight, repairs take time, changes take time, bad things come before good, night followed by dawn and all that. And when did I suggest I should control Iraqi Politics hmm?

Is it not possible that good things are followed by bad also? Is dawn not subsequently followed by night again? Seen as we're talking about gumdrops and sugar and all.

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

'In the first 14 months after the 2003 invasion almost $20bn (£11bn) was spent on reconstruction by the British and American funds, including hundreds of millions on rebuilding and re-equipping the country's network of 180 hospitals and clinics.

But billions went missing because of a combination of criminal activity, corruption, and incompetence, leaving Iraqis without even the essentials for basic medical care.'

This part I believe is not due to coalition forces. That money went missing because of those who at one point were linked with Saddam taking it before it reached where it was needed. Before the war Iraq was relying on power stations from the 70's that were old and needed persistent maintenance, not exactly a shining example of an excellant power system.

So the cure was to blow the country to bits? Nice logic. There is no point crying about the chaos and corruption of what happened to the money after the invasion because that is a byproduct of the invasion itself and the coalition must accept some responsibility in that regard, they should have known that would happen in such a chaotic environment. One must ask how Iraq's infrastructure and social services might have been without sanctions for all those years... it seems the West have made a full-time hobby of fucking over the Iraqi people.

See Saddam.

If there's no point crying about the loss of that moeny then there's no point crying about the loss of workers who will be replaced by new ones.

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Let's face it - we broke it, we should at least pay for the repairs. Repairs are under way yes - all repairs completed?
Yeah women can wear what they like, as they could under Saddam - except now there is an elevated chance they'll be beaten/raped/killed... M.O.A.B., barbers are being executed by Islamic extremists for 'unIslamic activity'. That didn't really happen under Saddam, he killed people for other reasons.
As regards Iraqi politics - are you suggesting you should rein in the democratic will of the Iraqi people? You seem to suggest so. You suggest that letting the biggest democratically elected voting bloc 'run rampant' is something that should have something done about it. Do you want to impose your will on them?

One day you'll realise that democratically elected parties aren't all gumdrops and sugar and that they can have (shocker) agendas not associated with helping their people. Nothing happens overnight, repairs take time, changes take time, bad things come before good, night followed by dawn and all that. And when did I suggest I should control Iraqi Politics hmm?

Is it not possible that good things are followed by bad also? Is dawn not subsequently followed by night again? Seen as we're talking about gumdrops and sugar and all.

Ok fine, you want Muqtada in because he has a lot of support? Ok. Perhaps under his rule Iraq could become a shining beacon, democratically elected and so on, just like Mugabe and Zimbabwe, I hear he was elected by a large percentage back in '80 and he turned out superb for the country and its population.

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

'In the first 14 months after the 2003 invasion almost $20bn (£11bn) was spent on reconstruction by the British and American funds, including hundreds of millions on rebuilding and re-equipping the country's network of 180 hospitals and clinics.

But billions went missing because of a combination of criminal activity, corruption, and incompetence, leaving Iraqis without even the essentials for basic medical care.'

This part I believe is not due to coalition forces. That money went missing because of those who at one point were linked with Saddam taking it before it reached where it was needed. Before the war Iraq was relying on power stations from the 70's that were old and needed persistent maintenance, not exactly a shining example of an excellant power system.

So the cure was to blow the country to bits? Nice logic. There is no point crying about the chaos and corruption of what happened to the money after the invasion because that is a byproduct of the invasion itself and the coalition must accept some responsibility in that regard, they should have known that would happen in such a chaotic environment. One must ask how Iraq's infrastructure and social services might have been without sanctions for all those years... it seems the West have made a full-time hobby of fucking over the Iraqi people.

See Saddam.

If there's no point crying about the loss of that moeny then there's no point crying about the loss of workers who will be replaced by new ones.

Braddock wrote:

Is it not possible that good things are followed by bad also? Is dawn not subsequently followed by night again? Seen as we're talking about gumdrops and sugar and all.

Ok fine, you want Muqtada in because he has a lot of support? Ok. Perhaps under his rule Iraq could become a shining beacon, democratically elected and so on, just like Mugabe and Zimbabwe, I hear he was elected by a large percentage back in '80 and he turned out superb for the country and its population.

I don't want anything in Iraq... it's none of my business. It's you and your ilk that want Western style democracy there, so by extension it's you who wants Moqtada Al Sadr in power there. Good luck with that.

Oh yes I'd really like to see Muqtada take over. And yes I would like to see a Western Democracy, because by and large others seem to sincerely screw countries over for those who live there. Places like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea accepted them and became some of the most powerful and economically advanced manufacturing countries in the world. I don't see any sense in letting the Iraqis fall back to someone like Saddam or end up with someone who acts all nice at first and then turns into Robert Mugabe and never gives up his power.

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Oh yes I'd really like to see Muqtada take over. And yes I would like to see a Western Democracy, because by and large others seem to sincerely screw countries over for those who live there. Places like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea accepted them and became some of the most powerful and economically advanced manufacturing countries in the world. I don't see any sense in letting the Iraqis fall back to someone like Saddam or end up with someone who acts all nice at first and then turns into Robert Mugabe and never gives up his power.

Oh right, so Iraq is going to just fall in line and become the next Japan? Never mind that whole pesky Islam issue and the way in which it greatly effects how these people view society and how day to day life should be lived. Just hand out the soldering irons and let them get to work on developing the next advance in the technology sector.

That's the problem with modern American foreign policy, the world is just one big social experiment to them.

Funny how Dubai accepts Western cultures and continues. Japan accepted democracy, yet continues its own traditions. I don't see this massive issue of allowing countries to become developed because 'we're imposing our evil values on them'. If it improves the country then what's the problem? Or do we need to have countries in dire straits and people in poor conditions and prospect so we can point and say, 'there's an example, don't be like them.'

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Oh yes I'd really like to see Muqtada take over. And yes I would like to see a Western Democracy, because by and large others seem to sincerely screw countries over for those who live there. Places like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea accepted them and became some of the most powerful and economically advanced manufacturing countries in the world. I don't see any sense in letting the Iraqis fall back to someone like Saddam or end up with someone who acts all nice at first and then turns into Robert Mugabe and never gives up his power.

Oh right, so Iraq is going to just fall in line and become the next Japan? Never mind that whole pesky Islam issue and the way in which it greatly effects how these people view society and how day to day life should be lived. Just hand out the soldering irons and let them get to work on developing the next advance in the technology sector.

That's the problem with modern American foreign policy, the world is just one big social experiment to them.

Funny how Dubai accepts Western cultures and continues. Japan accepted democracy, yet continues its own traditions. I don't see this massive issue of allowing countries to become developed because 'we're imposing our evil values on them'. If it improves the country then what's the problem? Or do we need to have countries in dire straits and people in poor conditions and prospect so we can point and say, 'there's an example, don't be like them.'

Dubai isn't all westernised tbh, not the most tolerant country in the world

FatherTed wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Oh right, so Iraq is going to just fall in line and become the next Japan? Never mind that whole pesky Islam issue and the way in which it greatly effects how these people view society and how day to day life should be lived. Just hand out the soldering irons and let them get to work on developing the next advance in the technology sector.

That's the problem with modern American foreign policy, the world is just one big social experiment to them.

Funny how Dubai accepts Western cultures and continues. Japan accepted democracy, yet continues its own traditions. I don't see this massive issue of allowing countries to become developed because 'we're imposing our evil values on them'. If it improves the country then what's the problem? Or do we need to have countries in dire straits and people in poor conditions and prospect so we can point and say, 'there's an example, don't be like them.'

Dubai isn't all westernised tbh, not the most tolerant country in the world

But it is increasingly reliant on Western customers for its tourism industry, which is aimed at accomdating Western tourists for the most part.