cpt.fass1
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Hmm wasn't the beltway sniper a terrorist attack on U.S. Soil
Then there was Anthrax
Also a hand grenade or home made bomb in the middle of NYC?
All our Embassies have been attacked or over run as well, and in the rule books, they are considered to actually be US Soil
Shoe Bomb guy and if I remember correctly others who got subdued by airline passengers.

This Ghost Trap or no attacks since 9/11 is such Bullshit..
ATG
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Kmarion wrote:

The ultimate blame lies with the president, for he said nothing and did nothing while this was happening that did anything but encourage the plunder.
Lame. The executive branch can only introduce legislation through congressional proxies. You blame the President because there are bitter fuckwits telling you to. You've never been an independent thinker, this is just more of the same.
That is the stupidest thing you've ever typed.

The president failed in every possible way and did NOTHING and said ZERO about what was happening.
May I suggest you read the article in the OP by the former New York governor.


What bitter fuckwits are you referring to?

I think you are lashing out at me because it is easier to hate the messenger than look at the message.

The state of our economy has revealed reganomics, neoconisim, right wing craptology and religious assholes for what they are;
a disease on the face of the planet that needs to be eradicated.

Bush is a fascist and a marxist. Republican policies have saddled our people with unsustainable debt and the GOP is a disgrace and a disaster that may take generations to recover.

That's what you hate.

Independent thinking? Says the Bush fanboy.
Braddock
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

you forgot about the fact there have been no attacks on US soil... but i'm sure you or the other anti Bush anti US folks will figure out a way to discredit this... lol
You mean, by saying that he was President when the Twin Towers and The Pentagon were hit?
Lol
Braddock
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[TUF]Catbox wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Bush is evil... lol... and i wan't to thank Iraq for oil they gave us for free... 

you forgot about the fact there have been no attacks on US soil... but i'm sure you or the other anti Bush anti US folks will figure out a way to discredit this... lol
lol at how Bush 'prevented' attacks on US soil. There has only ever been two and they were 8 years apart and one of them happened during his presidency!! lol Anyone who wanted to mount an attack on US soil need only fly into Chihuahua and skip over your porous southern border...

PS Over 4000 Americans died owing to his decision to invade a nation that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda.
My troll trap is working better than planned... lol... i don't care about what anyone thinks of Bush... It's up to the Messiah now... and i'm actually pretty impressed with his positions which have changed since he won...
I don't know if your trap is working that well mate... I only count one troll in this thread so far.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

The ultimate blame lies with the president, for he said nothing and did nothing while this was happening that did anything but encourage the plunder.
Lame. The executive branch can only introduce legislation through congressional proxies. You blame the President because there are bitter fuckwits telling you to. You've never been an independent thinker, this is just more of the same.
That is the stupidest thing you've ever typed.

The president failed in every possible way and did NOTHING and said ZERO about what was happening.
May I suggest you read the article in the OP by the former New York governor.


What bitter fuckwits are you referring to?

I think you are lashing out at me because it is easier to hate the messenger than look at the message.

The state of our economy has revealed reganomics, neoconisim, right wing craptology and religious assholes for what they are;
a disease on the face of the planet that needs to be eradicated.

Bush is a fascist and a marxist. Republican policies have saddled our people with unsustainable debt and the GOP is a disgrace and a disaster that may take generations to recover.

That's what you hate.

Independent thinking? Says the Bush fanboy.
Bush fanboi? Why would you say that? I've hit him plenty.. you've got this absurdly simple minded approach that tells you that one thing must equal the other. In fact I'm positive that you know that I've chewed Bush up, you've given me karma when I have. I've also torn into the GOP, but you think, for whatever pathetic reasoning, that if I explain to you the way government works I must be in love with the Republicans. You obviously need help understanding. I don't think you even knew how it was that the minority party could hold a bill up until a couple months ago. Try eradicating ignorance first.

The President did not fail in every possible way. In fact, brace yourself, most of the time he was in office the economy was good and Americans were safe. It was only when the Government started demanding that business run the way they wanted that we began to see the economic collapse (Both Democrats and Republicans).

You need to point the finger at one single man. The rest is just too complicated for you. So go ahead, have a ball.

Oh yea, I also voted Democrat the last election. gg
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ATG
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Kmarion wrote:

Bush fanboi? Why would you say that? I've hit him plenty.. you've got this absurdly simple minded approach that tells you that one thing must equal the other. In fact I'm positive that you know that I've chewed Bush up, you've given me karma when I have. I've also torn into the GOP, but you think, for whatever pathetic reasoning, that if I explain to you the way government works I must be in love with the Republicans. You obviously need help. I don't think you even knew how it was that the minority party could hold a bill up until a couple months ago. Try eradicating ignorance first.

The President did not fail in every possible way. In fact, brace yourself, most of the time he was in office the economy was good and Americans were safe. It was only when the Government started demanding that business run the way they wanted that we began to see the economic collapse (Both Democrats and Republicans).

You need to point the finger at one single man. The rest is just too complicated for you. So go ahead, have a ball.

Oh yea, I also voted Democrat the last election. gg
Actually, what I've done is observe the republicans under first his daddy and then W offiate over the decline of incomes, the destruction of our manufactoring base and the blatant manipulating of commodities. Also the expansion of executive powers through shady signing statements.

I am well aware of the games played. This is California, which had no state budget for a long time when Clinton was in office.

My point all along is that both parties work in unison, to destroy our free market system by A) giving tax incentives to corporations that close factories and relocate elsewhere and B) by devaluing housing and labor rates by not only allowing millions of illegal aliens in, but by also encouraging banks to give them mortgages. I am the one with no party loyalty. That requires independent thinking.

You qualify as a bush fanboi for defending this monsterous regime in any way. It is too easy to say one man doesn't hold enough power to be responsible when you refuse to credit the discredited who called it years ago. I suspect you haven't read this article. It details one of the many ways Bush was directly involved with the meltdown scandle.

And it is Bush now who is protecting the banks and letting them get away with hording the hundreds of billions while companies who rely on these funds go under. They have commited over 7 trillion dollars to prop up a system built on lies and fraud.

Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.

Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers.

Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis. This threat was so clear that as New York attorney general, I joined with colleagues in the other 49 states in attempting to fill the void left by the federal government. Individually, and together, state attorneys general of both parties brought litigation or entered into settlements with many subprime lenders that were engaged in predatory lending practices. Several state legislatures, including New York's, enacted laws aimed at curbing such practices.
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What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge? As Americans are now painfully aware, with hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure and our markets reeling, the answer is a resounding no.

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.

Let me explain: The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But a few years ago, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.

But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.

Throughout our battles with the OCC and the banks, the mantra of the banks and their defenders was that efforts to curb predatory lending would deny access to credit to the very consumers the states were trying to protect. But the curbs we sought on predatory and unfair lending would have in no way jeopardized access to the legitimate credit market for appropriately priced loans. Instead, they would have stopped the scourge of predatory lending practices that have resulted in countless thousands of consumers losing their homes and put our economy in a precarious position.

When history tells the story of the subprime lending crisis and recounts its devastating effects on the lives of so many innocent homeowners, the Bush administration will not be judged favorably. The tale is still unfolding, but when the dust settles, it will be judged as a willing accomplice to the lenders who went to any lengths in their quest for profits. So willing, in fact, that it used the power of the federal government in an unprecedented assault on state legislatures, as well as on state attorneys general and anyone else on the side of consumers.
Kmar
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I'm not defending him. I, unlike you, know the role of the executive branch. You don't need to copy and paste the article for me, I read the link. If that's what you need to do to pretend that you are making a coherent argument then so be it. It's only helping to reiterate the point that you lack the ability to apply your own critical thought. Keep taking your cues from an outed Democrat scumbag.
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ATG
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Kmarion wrote:

I'm not defending him. I, unlike you, know the role of the executive branch. You don't need to copy and paste the article for me, I read the link. If that's what you need to do to pretend that you are making a coherent argument then so be it. It's only helping to reiterate the point that you lack the ability to apply your own critical thought. Keep taking your cues from an outed Democrat scumbag.
I can't believe you are excusing the Bush Admin.

My critical thinking, lol, that's all I have. You probably listen to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. The arguments came before the c/p and a brief commentary followed each quote in the OP. Your main points seem to be that I am influenced by dimwits, yet fail to state who those might be. I have been consistant through my history here; I supported the war and the troops. When I saw how things were being mishandled, I called it like I saw it; this has been the biggest fraud in the history of humanity.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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So by saying that I voted Democrat you think I fall into the stereotypical Neo-Con Category?

I do listen to Rush.. I would probably listen to Sean Hannity if he wasn't so repetitive. I also watch MSBC, I listen to Phil Hendrie, Watch the Daily Show, I read the BBC, and on occasion I will check out Al jazeera's website. ... I find my entertainment and information in a number of places and on both sides of the debate. That is what being informed is all about. If that's "lol" to you then that's your problem.

I guess you didn't put it together (Even though he authored your talking points). The outed Democrat scumbag is Eliot Spitzer. He is the bitter fuckwit that I speak of.

You really believe yourself to be consistent? Anyone with any amount of history in this forum knows better. You are borderline going over the edge.. the only problem is nobody know which edge that is.

... the problem with being moderate. One week you have to explain why you voted democrat, one week you have to explain why it is time to stop giving tens of billions to Israel, and one week you have to explain why no single man is responsible for all of the worlds woes.
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Turquoise
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I think it's safe to say that history will judge Bush pretty harshly.  He's no Buchanan, but he's probably the worst president we've had since Carter easily.
AussieReaper
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Turquoise wrote:

I think it's safe to say that history will judge Bush pretty harshly.  He's no Buchanan, but he's probably the worst president we've had since Carter easily.
Would you consider him the worst Republican President of the past one hundred years?
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KEN-JENNINGS
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I think it's safe to say that history will judge Bush pretty harshly.  He's no Buchanan, but he's probably the worst president we've had since Carter easily.
Would you consider him the worst Republican President of the past one hundred years?
No, Reagan hands down.

/inb4 "ended cold war" bullshit.

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ATG
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Reagan started the deregulation cancer.
/agreed.

The damage that Bush has done is just starting to be counted.
Kmar
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Fortunately it's been well documented. Unfortunately it takes a little effort to get to the bottom of it. I've posted this before.
In October 1992, 15 years before the housing meltdown and sub prime crisis, Rep. Jim Leach of Iowa was on the floor of the House, warning of the potential danger that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac posed to the economy. He warned that Fannie and Freddie were changing "from being agencies of the public at large to money machines for the stockholding few."  Rep. Barney Frank in the House and Sen. Chris Dodd in the Senate, Congress openly defied anyone to challenge their assertions that everything was running fine at Fannie and Freddie, they instead doubled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's risks.

Way back in April 2001 the administration's budget stated that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large government-sponsored enterprise GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity."

In May of 2002 the President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

In February 2003  the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) released a report explaining that "although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of government-sponsored enterprise, GSE obligations, In September of the same year Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO's review found earnings manipulations. In October Fannie Mae disclosed a $1.2 billion accounting error.

In 2004 President Bush's annual Budget again highlighted the risk posed by the explosive growth of the government-sponsored enterprises and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator:  "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSE slack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." a new first class regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs:  Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System."  (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)  (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

In April 2005 Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform indicating the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)

May 25, 2006, on behalf of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 (via Beltway Snark)  John McCain  predicted the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with Bear Stearns and AIG.  He criticized the falsification of financial records to benefit executives, including Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson.

July 2007, Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse. President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options."  (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)

December 2007, President Bush AGAIN warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. He called on Congress to pass legislation that would strengthen independent regulation of government-sponsored enterprises.  The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year was a start.  But the liberal led Senate never acted.  (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

February 2008,  Assistant Secretary David Nason again reiterates the desperate need to reform saying "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)

March 2008,  The President called on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. You  need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages."  (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)

April 2008,  The President urged Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress must do what will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes."  (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)

May 2008,  President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.  "Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes."  Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation  He repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans."   (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08) "[T]he government ought to be helping credit-worthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that. Reform will come with a strong, independent regulator."  (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)" Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)

June 2008, As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."  (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)

Finally in July 2008 President Bush publicly called for GSE  (government-sponsored enterprise) reform 17 times before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the liberal legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.

Finally after 17 separate efforts to correct the grave errors of the financial markets Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
And people think deregulation is an Republican exclusive?
Housing bubble>Credit Bubble>Money Bubble
Congress is the only one who could have EVER done anything to fix this.
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Chris Dodd and Barney Frank and Chris Cox.

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Jesus Christ kmarion, turn off the republican cheerleaders.
If feel like you are imitating Gunslinger or some other forum horror show. I can't put my finger on it exactly. It's like you found a decent tone to be boring.
It's usually the forum liberals who resort to name calling and bitchiness without much of an attempt at an argument. I am disappointed.

Kmarion wrote:

The ultimate blame lies with the president, for he said nothing and did nothing while this was happening that did anything but encourage the plunder.
Lame. The executive branch can only introduce legislation through congressional proxies. You blame the President because there are bitter fuckwits telling you to. You've never been an independent thinker, this is just more of the same.
I made several other points in the OP, you are caught up on one aspect, and are frankly making an ass of yourself imo. I am a certified expert on that.
Eliot Spitzer may have had some issues, but he did not preside over the utter destruction of our economy, and the more time goes on the easier it is to believe he may have been set up. His article came first, the sex scandal came later. All Bush had to do was talk about the problem. He did jackshit for eight years but pretend to chase OBL and terrorist. When gas was four fifty a gallon Bush started talking about drilling and the price per barrel fell $20.00 overnight.
" no magic bullet to fix the cost of oil, it's supply and demand..." was what he was saying before our economy crashed.

It was his daddy who made the term " New World Order " popular, but it was W that reordered our world so that the banks are given hundreds of billions, fucking trillions who still withhold these funds.

I never advertised myself as " the leader of the neocons ". It was a title that was given to me because my attitude is that if we are going to fight a war with Islam, we will have to kill most of them and that we should not be fucking around about it. There is nothing " conservative " about W's policies. I'm more from the Ron Paul school of strict constitutional government, not the neo-socialism of george bush that privatizes profits and makes public debt. Other than that...

I occasionally tune into Limbaugh when KABC runs baseball; it's amazing when these dried up old cunts get on there and ask Rush why we just don't take Iran out, and to hear Rush sit there and say " well, we could..."

It's like you guys think this is all some board game and that there are no consequences to corruption and stupidity.


I have heard you state in many threads that george bush is not culpable for what is going on. I've yet to hear one thing he did to stop any of it, and as there was more to the op than the spitzer article I think I've spent enough time here on this with you. Unless you have something of substance, that is.
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ATG wrote:

my attitude is that if we are going to fight a war with Islam, we will have to kill most of them and that we should not be fucking around about it
You do realise provoking an ideological  war between west and east was Bin Laden's objective?
And why does an attack by 20 Saudis mean you have to take on the whole of Islam?
Guess you and Duhbya walked into that together.

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Fuck Israel
ATG
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Dilbert_X wrote:

ATG wrote:

my attitude is that if we are going to fight a war with Islam, we will have to kill most of them and that we should not be fucking around about it
You do realise provoking an ideological  war between west and east was Bin Laden's objective?
And why does an attack by 20 Saudis mean you have to take on the whole of Islam?
Guess you and Duhbya walked into that together.
One difference between me and Bush is that I would have used nukes and/or heavy bombers.

I would not be sending out troops in poorly outfitted hummers to find bombs.

It's not just about the 20, it's about them teaching hate in their schools and viewing suicide bombing as a political method. But wheve been 'round and 'round this and we did it dubyas way.

Which means they don't even factor the cost of the war into the budget. Which is paying asshole private companies five times the going rate...
Kmar
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ATG wrote:

I have heard you state in many threads that george bush is not culpable for what is going on. I've yet to hear one thing he did to stop any of it, and as there was more to the op than the spitzer article I think I've spent enough time here on this with you. Unless you have something of substance, that is.
You completely ignored my last post. There was plenty of substance in there. It's obvious that you only see what you want to see. I'm not saying that there isn't some degree of culpability for Bush, it's just that your idea that "the ultimate blame goes to Bush" is wrong. You don't understand the roles of government... at all. Your response is to call me a Republican cheerleader. I understand that's a natural defense for you, it seems the world has to be black or white for you to make sense of it. I haven't called you one name. I truly feel that you are ignorant when it comes to the actual job of the President. I am charactering your opinion on the topic. I've seen your confusion more than once here when it comes to how the government works. You mask it with emotional words and flamboyancy.
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ATG wrote:

One difference between me and Bush is that I would have used nukes and/or heavy bombers.
Then I guess we can be thankful Bush was in office after all.
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ATG
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mmmkay.

Why is Carter considered such a abject failure?

History may judge that W. did okay for Iraq, but he has been a disaster for America.

It's laughable to hear the A.M. windbags call this the Obama recession. Your last post had as much substance as my c/p Eliot Spitzer op ed.
Calling you a  Republican cheerleader was the kindest I could muster, giving your charge of lack of independent thinking and being led by dimwits.
Unlike the majority of those who post in DST I didn't start following politics to be able to fit in here, and I don't rely on this site or A.M. talk radio for my news and opinions.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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ATG wrote:

mmmkay.

Why is Carter considered such a abject failure?

History may judge that W. did okay for Iraq, but he has been a disaster for America.

It's laughable to hear the A.M. windbags call this the Obama recession. Your last post had as much substance as my c/p Eliot Spitzer op ed.
Calling you a  Republican cheerleader was the kindest I could muster, giving your charge of lack of independent thinking and being led by dimwits.
Unlike the majority of those who post in DST I didn't start following politics to be able to fit in here, and I don't rely on this site or A.M. talk radio for my news and opinions.
I listed examples of where I get information earlier. They weren't limited too talk radio. It's not surprising that you ignored those also.

Carter was the one who made it official policy to go into the ME to fight over oil. He also personally buddied up with Ceausescu, Tito, Ortega, and Kim il-sung.

History will judge that GWB did GREAT for Africa, but what he did for America domestically was expand the role of government.. and that's where I have a problem.
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AussieReaper
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Kmarion wrote:

History will judge that GWB did GREAT for Africa.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. Africa is seeing human suffering the worst it has ever been. The Zimbabwea people are dying of cholera for god's sake. Both curable and preventable. The refugee crisis can't be handled by neighbouring countries and the UN has failed to get aid into the country with any effect.

Tell me why regime change hasn't been forced upon the illegal Mugabe Government where the inflation % is in the millions.
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Kmar
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

History will judge that GWB did GREAT for Africa.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. Africa is seeing human suffering the worst it has ever been. The Zimbabwea people are dying of cholera for god's sake. Both curable and preventable. The refugee crisis can't be handled by neighbouring countries and the UN has failed to get aid into the country with any effect.

Tell me why regime change hasn't been forced upon the illegal Mugabe Government where the inflation % is in the millions.
Sorry, no kidding. Do you think the only way to help is to force regime change? Or do you just think that the incredible amount of support given is somehow negated since there are other problems to deal with also?

As Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete noted, for the people of his country and others across the African continent, Mr. Bush's "legacy will be that of saving hundreds of thousands of mothers' and children's lives from malaria, preventing new HIV infections and giving hope to those infected through care and treatment, and helping millions of young men and women get education." Perhaps most importantly, he adds, Mr. Bush leaves "the legacy of assisting African nations and people [in building] capacity for their own growth and development." Over the last seven years, the U.S. has committed $1.6 billion to trade capacity-building assistance to Sub-Saharan Africa. Moreover, Mr. Bush launched the Millennium Challenge Account as a new model to support governments that commit to ruling justly, investing in people and encouraging economic freedom. In May 2007, he announced the Africa Financial Sector Initiative, which will create seven new investment funds that will mobilize more than $1.6 billion through support of OPIC.

In the area of improving health care in Africa, the president's actions are already producing measurable results: nearly 1.5 million people are receiving life-saving antiretroviral medications, HIV infection from HIV-positive mothers has been prevented in more than 150,000 infants and 29 million children have been enrolled in schools, some for the first time in their lives. For Mr. Bush, that's just the beginning. On his recent trip, he announced plans to provide more than 5 million mosquito nets to Tanzanians, as well as a new investment to help eradicate certain tropical diseases.
No other President/diplomat has ever done more (It's not even close). His approval ratings in Africa is in the 80's . I only wish he did more at home.
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Kmarion wrote:

You need to point the finger at one single man. The rest is just too complicated for you. So go ahead, have a ball.
you just described like 80% of the people in this section.  very well put.

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