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2008-12-07 07:23:25
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6925|London, England
...About your PM shutting down Parliament cos he knew that he was going to get kicked out by everyone in there. That sounds like some Africa dictator shit right there.

The worst thing is, that all this was allowed because the Governor-General of the Queen (yes, same as ours) said it was ok to do it (wtf). I mean shit, if there was any reason to abolish your monarchy and demand true independence, this would be it. I had no idea that the Queen (or, more precise, the G-G) had so much power in your country.


For those who don't know what I'm talking about:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7765206.stm



Governor General Michaelle Jean, the true ruler of Canada, it seems

https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45269000/jpg/_45269623_fac3bcb4-6eab-4876-891d-2be534f552a0.jpg
2008-12-07 07:31:26
jord
Member
+2,382|6982|The North, beyond the wall.

Mekstizzle wrote:

...About your PM shutting down Parliament cos he knew that he was going to get kicked out by everyone in there. That sounds like some Africa dictator shit right there.

The worst thing is, that all this was allowed because the Governor-General of the Queen (yes, same as ours) said it was ok to do it (wtf). I mean shit, if there was any reason to abolish your monarchy and demand true independence, this would be it. I had no idea that the Queen (or, more precise, the G-G) had so much power in your country.


For those who don't know what I'm talking about:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7765206.stm



Governor General Michaelle Jean, the true ruler of Canada, it seems

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 … f552a0.jpg
Yeah we owned them good, GG your majesty
2008-12-07 07:38:27
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6925|London, England
To be honest I reckon if the Queen herself was personally asked to do it, she wouldn't. I mean I know I don't really like the Monarchy, but I don't really hate it either, Queen seems to be a decent person overall.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2008-12-07 07:39:15)

2008-12-07 09:09:09
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7043|Toronto | Canada

Would you prefer parties that werent voted in, including a separatist party, to be in power.  I'd greatly prefer that the party that actually won the election be in power, not some power-hungry losers
2008-12-07 10:27:00
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6502
All this mess shows how Canada is divided.. West of the country is conservative, the center is liberal and the east voted mostly for people representing our language and culture i.e the Bloc Quebecois.

The government MUST be a coallition of political parties instead of only one party and nothing will never be accomplished.  Harper did the right thing to save his own ass but he will go down as soon as they get back to work in january.

I hope the people of Quebec will wake up and get the hell out of this pathetic country.
2008-12-07 10:33:52
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6833|Global Command
Good point Churchill, but a no confidence vote is a matter of law, a tool to allow the peaceful sacking of a bad government within political channels.

The fact that GB has any say in the matter is just strange.

It kind of lends credence to the rumors that it is the Central Banks of England that control everything.
Quigley identified "the commander-in-chief of the world system of banking control" as Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England, who was "built up by the private bankers to a position where he was regarded as an oracle in all matters of government and business." Norman once said, "I hold the hegemony of the world."
http://americainjeopardy.blogspot.com/2 … thing.html
2008-12-07 10:36:48
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6775
God, that was a nifty opportunist bit of conspiracy spinning there ATG...

If there's anyone that 'controls everything', it's probably more like the Rothschilds than anyone else.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
2008-12-07 10:41:09
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7043|Toronto | Canada

ATG wrote:

Good point Churchill, but a no confidence vote is a matter of law, a tool to allow the peaceful sacking of a bad government within political channels.
Yeah, but a no confidence vote should result in a new election, not a separatist government being put in (not even elected in).  Besides, the liberals publicly admitted that their leader was terrible and now they want him to run the country?

Mekstizzle wrote:

...About your PM shutting down Parliament cos he knew that he was going to get kicked out by everyone in there. That sounds like some Africa dictator shit right there.

The worst thing is, that all this was allowed because the Governor-General of the Queen (yes, same as ours) said it was ok to do it (wtf). I mean shit, if there was any reason to abolish your monarchy and demand true independence, this would be it. I had no idea that the Queen (or, more precise, the G-G) had so much power in your country.


For those who don't know what I'm talking about:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7765206.stm



Governor General Michaelle Jean, the true ruler of Canada, it seems

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 … f552a0.jpg
Oh, and the Governor General really has very little role, its pretty much all because of tradition.  Other than this, all they normally do is formally declare the election.  She's pretty much just a figurehead with a little bit of power that's used rarely.

Last edited by Winston_Churchill (2008-12-07 10:45:50)

2008-12-07 11:00:52
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

All this mess shows how Canada is divided.. West of the country is conservative, the center is liberal and the east voted mostly for people representing our language and culture i.e the Bloc Quebecois.

The government MUST be a coallition of political parties instead of only one party and nothing will never be accomplished.  Harper did the right thing to save his own ass but he will go down as soon as they get back to work in january.

I hope the people of Quebec will wake up and get the hell out of this pathetic country.
You do realize the standard of living in Quebec would fall without provinces like Alberta propping up your economy.  Quebec hasn't gone independent because half of your population realizes this.
2008-12-07 11:01:21
Rohirm
Fear is a Leash
+85|6476|New Austin, Not
We had our election 7 weeks ago. 2 weeks after parliament resumes, it goes straight to hell.
Its an unholy alliance of separatists (BQ), Socialists (NDP) and faggots who fucked over the west (Liberals). Jesus, Alberta has to  pay equalization payments to a fucking province for "their" french culture. Its fucking bullshit. Not only that our supreme court is dominated by a permanent # of Quebec judges as well as being full of Liberals. Our senate is screwed as their is barely any representation for the west. In the west, there is still the ghost of the NEP created by by P.E. Trudeau. It screwed up the Albertan economy so much...and we had to work our ass off to the point we were debt free (whee) and massive surpluses.

I voted conservative, a few of  my friends out east voted Liberal, but they aren't too happy considering they didn't vote for a coalition government.

And our GG plays only a ceremonial role (usually) as she just signs legislation a few times a year. She was asked to suspend parliament by PM Harper until late January when he can release his budget. The opposition notified the GG of their coalition, and if the government fell on Monday on a no-confidence vote, she could decide to hold a snap election (likely not going to happen since its been less than 2 months since the last election) or let the coalition take hold of parliament (most likely). Since government has been prorogued, that no-confidence vote won't happen.

Last edited by Rohirm (2008-12-07 11:08:16)

2008-12-07 11:04:37
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6931|Canada

Winston_Churchill wrote:

ATG wrote:

Good point Churchill, but a no confidence vote is a matter of law, a tool to allow the peaceful sacking of a bad government within political channels.
Yeah, but a no confidence vote should result in a new election, not a separatist government being put in (not even elected in).  Besides, the liberals publicly admitted that their leader was terrible and now they want him to run the country?

Mekstizzle wrote:

...About your PM shutting down Parliament cos he knew that he was going to get kicked out by everyone in there. That sounds like some Africa dictator shit right there.

The worst thing is, that all this was allowed because the Governor-General of the Queen (yes, same as ours) said it was ok to do it (wtf). I mean shit, if there was any reason to abolish your monarchy and demand true independence, this would be it. I had no idea that the Queen (or, more precise, the G-G) had so much power in your country.


For those who don't know what I'm talking about:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7765206.stm



Governor General Michaelle Jean, the true ruler of Canada, it seems

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 … f552a0.jpg
Oh, and the Governor General really has very little role, its pretty much all because of tradition.  Other than this, all they normally do is formally declare the election.  She's pretty much just a figurehead with a little bit of power that's used rarely.
You have to understand that it is not a separatist government churchill. All 3 parties have signed concessions, and the libs and ndp have a standing agreement that they do not like the Bloc. the bloc is only there bc it had the few remaining seats the other two needed for a no confidence vote. i like how you are falling for this bs "seperatists are going to run our country"

NO. NO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO. THEY HAVE NO REAL POWER OVER THE LIBERALS OR NDP.
2008-12-07 11:05:17
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6925|London, England

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Would you prefer parties that werent voted in, including a separatist party, to be in power.  I'd greatly prefer that the party that actually won the election be in power, not some power-hungry losers
So is that the counter argument eh? Read up on your fucking government and at least understand what's going on before you sprout your "democracy" bullshit, fuck sake. Really now. What's the point of getting involved.
2008-12-07 11:05:59
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6931|Canada

Rohirm wrote:

We had our election 7 weeks ago. 2 weeks after parliament resumes, it goes straight to hell.
Its an unholy alliance of separatists (BQ), Socialists (NDP) and faggots who fucked over the west (Liberals). I voted conservative, a few of  my friends out east voted Liberal, but they aren't too happy considering they didn't vote for a coalition government.
Classic Albertan response.
2008-12-07 11:11:40
Rohirm
Fear is a Leash
+85|6476|New Austin, Not

destruktion_6143 wrote:

Rohirm wrote:

We had our election 7 weeks ago. 2 weeks after parliament resumes, it goes straight to hell.
Its an unholy alliance of separatists (BQ), Socialists (NDP) and faggots who fucked over the west (Liberals). I voted conservative, a few of  my friends out east voted Liberal, but they aren't too happy considering they didn't vote for a coalition government.
Classic Albertan response.
What did ya expect

Technically the Separatists are propping up the coalition for 18 months or so but I still don't trust Federalists working with Separatists. There are always hidden agendas.



Politics in Canada in a nutshell.

Last edited by Rohirm (2008-12-07 11:14:17)

2008-12-07 11:16:31
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7043|Toronto | Canada

Mekstizzle wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Would you prefer parties that werent voted in, including a separatist party, to be in power.  I'd greatly prefer that the party that actually won the election be in power, not some power-hungry losers
So is that the counter argument eh? Read up on your fucking government and at least understand what's going on before you sprout your "democracy" bullshit, fuck sake. Really now. What's the point of getting involved.
I think the party that won the election should be in power, plain and simple.  If the other parties want to change that, do a vote of non-confidence which they'd win, and then have another election.  Whoever wins that is the party in power. 
And I realize that it isn't a separatist government, but the coalition will need the Bloc's support, meaning they will have more influence than anyone wants in Parliament.  Also, wasn't one of the Liberals' promises for the election NOT to do this exact thing?
2008-12-07 11:21:16
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6925|London, England

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Would you prefer parties that werent voted in, including a separatist party, to be in power.  I'd greatly prefer that the party that actually won the election be in power, not some power-hungry losers
So is that the counter argument eh? Read up on your fucking government and at least understand what's going on before you sprout your "democracy" bullshit, fuck sake. Really now. What's the point of getting involved.
I think the party that won the election should be in power, plain and simple.  If the other parties want to change that, do a vote of non-confidence which they'd win, and then have another election.  Whoever wins that is the party in power. ?
Yes, that's what they were trying to do by the looks of it. But the whole fiasco/topic subject is the simple fact that your PM managed to get Parliament shut down, so that couldn't happen. So he's basically denying Parliament its chance to do a vote of no confidence. In what way is that democracy?

I'd say that if a ruling party shut down Parliament in any country to deny or prolong a vote of no confidence, there would probably be riots. You can't honestly think that what he's doing is right, can you? Even if it was the party I voted for that did that, I'd still say it's wrong and fucked up to do that. I guess people don't give a damn about anything as long as they're just getting what they want.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2008-12-07 11:23:18)

2008-12-07 11:24:10
Rohirm
Fear is a Leash
+85|6476|New Austin, Not

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Would you prefer parties that werent voted in, including a separatist party, to be in power.  I'd greatly prefer that the party that actually won the election be in power, not some power-hungry losers
So is that the counter argument eh? Read up on your fucking government and at least understand what's going on before you sprout your "democracy" bullshit, fuck sake. Really now. What's the point of getting involved.
I think the party that won the election should be in power, plain and simple.  If the other parties want to change that, do a vote of non-confidence which they'd win, and then have another election.  Whoever wins that is the party in power. 
And I realize that it isn't a separatist government, but the coalition will need the Bloc's support, meaning they will have more influence than anyone wants in Parliament.  Also, wasn't one of the Liberals' promises for the election NOT to do this exact thing?
Dion said that he didn't want a coalition with the NDP; he said something along the lines that it won't happen and the NDP would not know how to run our country and economy. I'll find the source for it and edit a post.

In the meantime some poltical satire regarding NDP leader Jack Layton :
http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.ph … =503779612

gotta have FB to see it though.
2008-12-07 11:25:26
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7043|Toronto | Canada

Mekstizzle wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

So is that the counter argument eh? Read up on your fucking government and at least understand what's going on before you sprout your "democracy" bullshit, fuck sake. Really now. What's the point of getting involved.
I think the party that won the election should be in power, plain and simple.  If the other parties want to change that, do a vote of non-confidence which they'd win, and then have another election.  Whoever wins that is the party in power. ?
Yes, that's what they were trying to do by the looks of it. But the whole fiasco/topic subject is the simple fact that your PM managed to get Parliament shut down, so that couldn't happen. So he's basically denying Parliament its chance to do a vote of no confidence. In what way is that democracy?
Extreme situations call for extreme measures, there is a global recession going on and changing to a government that won't function as well (admit it, a coalition government with 3 parties will not function well) is not going to help our country.  And its technically only for a few weeks since they usually break for Christmas anyways don't they?
Haha, good picture - "Canadian Coalition Coup Party (CCCP)"

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2008-12-07 11:34:02
Rohirm
Fear is a Leash
+85|6476|New Austin, Not

Mekstizzle wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:


So is that the counter argument eh? Read up on your fucking government and at least understand what's going on before you sprout your "democracy" bullshit, fuck sake. Really now. What's the point of getting involved.
I think the party that won the election should be in power, plain and simple.  If the other parties want to change that, do a vote of non-confidence which they'd win, and then have another election.  Whoever wins that is the party in power. ?
Yes, that's what they were trying to do by the looks of it. But the whole fiasco/topic subject is the simple fact that your PM managed to get Parliament shut down, so that couldn't happen. So he's basically denying Parliament its chance to do a vote of no confidence. In what way is that democracy?

I'd say that if a ruling party shut down Parliament in any country to deny or prolong a vote of no confidence, there would probably be riots. You can't honestly think that what he's doing is right, can you? Even if it was the party I voted for that did that, I'd still say it's wrong and fucked up to do that. I guess people don't give a damn about anything as long as they're just getting what they want.
I agree with Mek. It wasn't the smartest political move to suspend government. Yes he may have wanted to suspend till the budget but it wasn't a tactical decision. It just garners more hate.

If I were him, I would have let the no-confidence vote go through. There is quite a bit of dissent with in the Liberal party that several key members would "call a sick day" during the NCV. They aren't very happy with Dion at all. The coalition would be screwed from the inside out. If the government does fall, the GG may call an  election since many Canadians despise the coalition (see all the rallies). There you shall see the Libs/NDP support go way down and hand Harper a majority.
That or the GG allows to coalition to exist, fuck up our country and have a conservative government back in no time. The BQ will just side with anyone who hands them money so they are a wild card.
2008-12-07 11:54:34
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6833|Global Command

Uzique wrote:

God, that was a nifty opportunist bit of conspiracy spinning there ATG...

If there's anyone that 'controls everything', it's probably more like the Rothschilds than anyone else.
lulz. They are based in England.
2008-12-07 12:09:20
jord
Member
+2,382|6982|The North, beyond the wall.

ATG wrote:

Uzique wrote:

God, that was a nifty opportunist bit of conspiracy spinning there ATG...

If there's anyone that 'controls everything', it's probably more like the Rothschilds than anyone else.
lulz. They are based in England.
Speak no more of face the wrath of the the knights templar special force assassin squad.
2008-12-07 12:22:19
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6985|Disaster Free Zone

jord wrote:

ATG wrote:

Uzique wrote:

God, that was a nifty opportunist bit of conspiracy spinning there ATG...

If there's anyone that 'controls everything', it's probably more like the Rothschilds than anyone else.
lulz. They are based in England.
Speak no more of face the wrath of the the knights templar special force assassin squad.
Free Masons?
2008-12-07 12:23:45
jord
Member
+2,382|6982|The North, beyond the wall.

DrunkFace wrote:

jord wrote:

ATG wrote:


lulz. They are based in England.
Speak no more of face the wrath of the the knights templar special force assassin squad.
Free Masons?
No they're shit.
2008-12-07 13:23:49
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7084|Great Brown North

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

All this mess shows how Canada is divided..

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

I hope the people of Quebec will wake up and get the hell out of this pathetic country.
Gee I wonder why people get the impression everyone from Quebec are assholes. It can't be the "waaaaaaah waaaaaaah i'm taking my bat and ball and going home because you were mean to me, waaaaaah waaaaaaah" attitude so many have can it?

As for the getting out of Canada part, well.... Bye

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

the east voted mostly for people representing our language and culture i.e the Bloc Quebecois.
The fuck we did,  Eastern Canada does not equal Quebec dammit >.<



Nothing fixes a Country like childish infighting, fuck all that getting over your petty differences to make it a better place! bitching is where it's at. fuck yeah!

Last edited by krazed (2008-12-07 13:25:22)

2008-12-07 13:37:12
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7043|Toronto | Canada

Most of Canada agrees that this coalition is a bad thing

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/0812 … itics_poll

 

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