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2008-11-29 09:24:56
Uzique
dasein.
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Ahh Lowing, Lowing, Lowing...

People would be stampeding and killing Wal-Mart employees whatever the news readers say or fiscal reports claim. It's a typical Christmas-season rush, it doesn't prove any of your points because you're deriving 'evidence' and a conclusion from a completely unrelated phenomenon.
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2008-11-29 10:29:58
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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It could be argued that because of the bad economic times people are even more desperate to get the good deals. This might actually be the economic crisis at work.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-29 10:44:53
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_death


People are so poor and starved in America  that apparently they killed this guy to get to the food isle, right?
Apparently, materialism can be lethal.
2008-11-29 11:22:19
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Police were reviewing video from surveillance cameras in an attempt to identify who trampled to death a Wal-Mart worker after a crowd of post-Thanksgiving shoppers burst through the doors at a suburban store and knocked him down.

    Criminal charges were possible, but identifying individual shoppers in Friday’s video may prove difficult, said Detective Lt. Michael Fleming, a Nassau County police spokesman.

    Other workers were trampled as they tried to rescue the man, and customers stepped over him and became irate when officials said the store was closing because of the death, police and witnesses said.

    At least four other people, including a woman who was eight months pregnant, were taken to hospitals for observation or minor injuries. The store in Valley Stream on Long Island closed for several hours before reopening.

    Police said about 2,000 people were gathered outside the Wal-Mart doors before its 5 a.m. opening at a mall about 20 miles east of Manhattan. The impatient crowd knocked the employee, identified by police as Jdimytai Damour, to the ground as he opened the doors, leaving a metal portion of the frame crumpled like an accordion.
The reports yesterday show that Wal-Mart itself bears the bulk of the responsibility for the problem:

A miscarriage also.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-29 12:12:20
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Uzique wrote:

Ahh Lowing, Lowing, Lowing...

People would be stampeding and killing Wal-Mart employees whatever the news readers say or fiscal reports claim. It's a typical Christmas-season rush, it doesn't prove any of your points because you're deriving 'evidence' and a conclusion from a completely unrelated phenomenon.
YEAH that is just what I said, NO DIFFERENCE between any other economic condidtion and this so called crisis, YOU do remember the crisis right? People can't pay their bills, loosing their homes etc......It can not be that bad if we still can afford to trample someone t odeath over a new big screen.

The thing is, we both what I am talking about, stop being such a stubborn ass and act like there is no connection between consumer spending and the fucking economy.
2008-11-29 12:14:57
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6774

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Ahh Lowing, Lowing, Lowing...

People would be stampeding and killing Wal-Mart employees whatever the news readers say or fiscal reports claim. It's a typical Christmas-season rush, it doesn't prove any of your points because you're deriving 'evidence' and a conclusion from a completely unrelated phenomenon.
YEAH that is just what I said, NO DIFFERENCE between any other economic condidtion and this so called crisis, YOU do remember the crisis right? People can't pay their bills, loosing their homes etc......It can not be that bad if we still can afford to trample someone t odeath over a new big screen.

The thing is, we both what I am talking about, stop being such a stubborn ass and act like there is no connection between consumer spending and the fucking economy.
Ahhh my Lord, of course there is a relation between 'consumer spending' and the economy. But this isn't a death arising from consumer spending, is it? This wasn't caused by the levels of expendable income! It's a social problem, the darkside of consumerism and material greed. Nothing at all to do with what the damned news says about the economy on a macroeconomic scale.
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2008-11-29 12:20:49
lowing
Banned
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Uzique wrote:

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Ahh Lowing, Lowing, Lowing...

People would be stampeding and killing Wal-Mart employees whatever the news readers say or fiscal reports claim. It's a typical Christmas-season rush, it doesn't prove any of your points because you're deriving 'evidence' and a conclusion from a completely unrelated phenomenon.
YEAH that is just what I said, NO DIFFERENCE between any other economic condidtion and this so called crisis, YOU do remember the crisis right? People can't pay their bills, loosing their homes etc......It can not be that bad if we still can afford to trample someone t odeath over a new big screen.

The thing is, we both what I am talking about, stop being such a stubborn ass and act like there is no connection between consumer spending and the fucking economy.
Ahhh my Lord, of course there is a relation between 'consumer spending' and the economy. But this isn't a death arising from consumer spending, is it? This wasn't caused by the levels of expendable income! It's a social problem, the darkside of consumerism and material greed. Nothing at all to do with what the damned news says about the economy on a macroeconomic scale.
This stampeding sotres happens every damn year, this year is NO different. The point being Americans can not be hurting too terribly if we still can manage to stampede stores all over the country in order to SPEND, and in this case actually kill a person to do so. Balk all you want, it is a valid observation.
2008-11-29 12:24:07
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6774
Hahaha and now you've just cunningly reiterated exactly what I have been saying for the last 3 pages...

And here's to another 3 pages of ensuing semantic debate.

/cheer.
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2008-11-29 12:26:54
lowing
Banned
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Uzique wrote:

Hahaha and now you've just cunningly reiterated exactly what I have been saying for the last 3 pages...

And here's to another 3 pages of ensuing semantic debate.

/cheer.
No actually you are so stubborn you can not even admit the connection between the economy and black friday. Americans are not suffering in this crisis, we are spending, and now killing to spend.
2008-11-29 12:30:26
Uzique
dasein.
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... Hence my refusal to admit that the 'economic crisis' has anything at all to do with Black Friday.

And I do not think that the state of the economy has anything to do with a festive marketing gimmick, no.

Even if people were dirt poor they'd still be rushing for their dollar-bargains.

Quite simple.

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2008-11-29 12:42:27
lowing
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Uzique wrote:

... Hence my refusal to admit that the 'economic crisis' has anything at all to do with Black Friday.

And I do not think that the state of the economy has anything to do with a festive marketing gimmick, no.

Even if people were dirt poor they'd still be rushing for their dollar-bargains.

Quite simple.
Then you are the only one, but I know that doesn't stop ya

One of the indicators to the health of the economy is consumer spending during the holiday season, yeah that includes black friday.
2008-11-29 12:47:35
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6774
But your thread isn't about 'consumer spending' - we're not discussing economics - it's about an incident at Wal-Mart that caused the death of an employee over a shopping stampede... and my point has always been that people pull these senseless stunts every Xmas season, regardless of economic factors.

How many times am I going to have to reformulate this one sentence?

Last edited by Uzique (2008-11-29 12:47:54)

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2008-11-29 12:49:13
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Probably at least 2 more times.
2008-11-29 12:50:39
lowing
Banned
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Uzique wrote:

But your thread isn't about 'consumer spending' - we're not discussing economics - it's about an incident at Wal-Mart that caused the death of an employee over a shopping stampede... and my point has always been that people pull these senseless stunts every Xmas season, regardless of economic factors.

How many times am I going to have to reformulate this one sentence?
Nope my thread is about how the so called "suffering" American public, who can not afford gas, food a home etc.. certainly seems to have enough money to buy bullshit, even to the point that they would stampede a store where a person was killed.

You are not "reformulating" shit you are however, tap dancing like a mother fucker though.
2008-11-29 12:56:11
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6774
... Sigh, I retire from this calvacade of mediocrity.

Lowing, don't start a 'discussion' in a 'debate' Forum if you're going to repeatedly change the focus of your argument; or, at least state from the outset that you want to discuss the wider economic implications of 'x' event, instead of linking to a news article that you don't actually want respondees to discuss. The events at Wal-Mart were caused by social/moral issues and factors, they have no financial connections at all... if you want to derive a completely tangential argument in such an abstruse manner, then at least be prepared for "tap dancing" replies.

I should have known though, this is Lowing, who 'starts' a debate that is already concluded from the offset.
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2008-11-29 13:03:58
lowing
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Uzique wrote:

... Sigh, I retire from this calvacade of mediocrity.

Lowing, don't start a 'discussion' in a 'debate' Forum if you're going to repeatedly change the focus of your argument; or, at least state from the outset that you want to discuss the wider economic implications of 'x' event, instead of linking to a news article that you don't actually want respondees to discuss. The events at Wal-Mart were caused by social/moral issues and factors, they have no financial connections at all... if you want to derive a completely tangential argument in such an abstruse manner, then at least be prepared for "tap dancing" replies.

I should have known though, this is Lowing, who 'starts' a debate that is already concluded from the offset.
LOL, you are so fulla bullshit. You are trying to tell me that black friday has nothing to do with the state of the economy, and I posted an article that is the same all over the country less a person actually getting killed, that basically says people are out spending. All of this after a summer and fall of suffering Americans who can not afford food homes, gas.


Now, if you can not draw an observation between the suffering American public during this trying "economic crisis" and the fact that these same suffering people are out spending money that the day before we are told they don't have, then I am sorry, yer an idiot, and you are free to move on down the road.
2008-11-29 13:07:20
CameronPoe
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lol at the lameness of this thread. A particular event dismisses hard economic facts going on everyday, not just in America but around the world (including growthtastic China?). lolololoololololololo. Those job losses, company collapses and impending company collapses have been mitigated by the running over a man in a Christmas sale? lol. In lowingland eveerything is binary - if someone says 'things aren't looking so good' it gets read as 'people are starving and poor'. There is no in between with him, there are no percentages or trends - it's either one or the other. It is this and his disregard for commonly understood economics that makes responding to him on pretty much anything absolutely pointless. He lives in a make believe idealised world in his mind, the rest of us interpret and deal with a non-binary reality.

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2008-11-29 13:07:54
Uzique
dasein.
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Americans, and all Western people would spend vast amounts of money on luxuries/non-necessities at Christmas whether or not we had it anyway.

It's part of our consumerist culture, and has been for a long time now... you don't have to be flush with the cash to buy shit at Xmas/Thanksgiving. Buy now, pay next year. Can't afford it? Stick it on layaway. So, it still doesn't reflect on the ongoing economic crisis whatsoever.

/thread.

Last edited by Uzique (2008-11-29 13:08:04)

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2008-11-29 13:13:56
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lol at the lameness of this thread. A particular event dismisses hard economic facts going on everyday, not just in America but around the world (including growthtastic China?). lolololoololololololo. Those job losses, company collapses and impending company collapses have been mitigated by the running over a man in a Christmas sale? lol. In lowingland eveerything is binary - if someone says 'things aren't looking so good' it gets read as 'people are starving and poor'. There is no in between with him, there are no percentages or trends - it's either one or the other. It is this and his disregard for commonly understood economics that makes responsing to him on pretty much anything absolutely pointless. He lives in a make believe idealised world in his mind, the rest of us interpret and deal with a non-binary reality.
Ahhhhhhh Cam, how are things on the mountain?

First of all my post said nothing about global economic events. I am referring to one of the economic indicators that gauges the health of our economy. That indicator is started off by black friday. Now, since we Americans are supposed to be suffering, starving, freezing, and out of money for gas and homes, black friday should have been a dismal failure for our countries retailers. It was not, this stampeding bullshit happened all over the country. The fact that this guy got killed makes this event stand out. Nothing more. We Americans are supposed to broke remember?
2008-11-29 13:16:45
lowing
Banned
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Uzique wrote:

Americans, and all Western people would spend vast amounts of money on luxuries/non-necessities at Christmas whether or not we had it anyway.

It's part of our consumerist culture, and has been for a long time now... you don't have to be flush with the cash to buy shit at Xmas/Thanksgiving. Buy now, pay next year. Can't afford it? Stick it on layaway. So, it still doesn't reflect on the ongoing economic crisis whatsoever.

/thread.
I disagree, these events, which should have been a flag, and the point, is that we are not financially responsible as Americans, and it is this irresponsibility that started this whole mess in the first place.
2008-11-29 13:23:22
CameronPoe
Member
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lowing wrote:

Ahhhhhhh Cam, how are things on the mountain?

First of all my post said nothing about global economic events. I am referring to one of the economic indicators that gauges the health of our economy. That indicator is started off by black friday. Now, since we Americans are supposed to be suffering, starving, freezing, and out of money for gas and homes, black friday should have been a dismal failure for our countries retailers. It was not, this stampeding bullshit happened all over the country. The fact that this guy got killed makes this event stand out. Nothing more. We Americans are supposed to broke remember?
A man gets trampled in a Christmas shopping rush = economic indicator for the US nation. QED

Your understanding of economics is pitiful. How did the take compare with last year? That might be infinitely more relevant...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-11-29 13:24:48)

2008-11-29 13:25:35
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ahhhhhhh Cam, how are things on the mountain?

First of all my post said nothing about global economic events. I am referring to one of the economic indicators that gauges the health of our economy. That indicator is started off by black friday. Now, since we Americans are supposed to be suffering, starving, freezing, and out of money for gas and homes, black friday should have been a dismal failure for our countries retailers. It was not, this stampeding bullshit happened all over the country. The fact that this guy got killed makes this event stand out. Nothing more. We Americans are supposed to broke remember?
A man gets trampled in a Christmas shopping rush = economic indicator for the US nation. QED

Your understanding of economics is pitiful. How did the take compare with last year? That might be infinitely more relevant...
Nice try Cam, wanna re-read the post andthen address what was ACTUALLY said?

It doesn't that is the point, last year we all supposedly had jobs and money, this year we are all suppoed to be broke and starving, ya know JUST LIKE THE "GREAT DEPRESSION"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/ap_ … y_shopping

Last edited by lowing (2008-11-29 13:28:09)

2008-11-29 14:59:15
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

The economy is so bad this year that the only way to provide those "what was once affordable" gift this year is by murderous stampede. Get it while the gettin is good.

Retail sales this year beat last years by more than 3% .
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-29 15:04:20
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6774
Good. Viva la capitalisme!
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2008-11-29 15:54:31
usmarine
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CameronPoe wrote:

lolololoololololololo.
you forgot two l's

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