Last edited by lowing (2008-11-28 11:28:06)
Sometimes I am not proud to an American, shit like this is one of those times.Mekstizzle wrote:
How the shit does this shit even happen, people shouldn't be allowed to be in large groups, ever.
Oh please, spare me your "what? I dunno whatcher talkin' about" routineUzique wrote:
What do short-term marketing gimmicks have to do with macro-economics?
I honestly don't. Black Friday is a marketing gimmick; a festive-based short-term incentive for a quick buck and a discount sale. What's that got to do with a macroeconomic-scale crisis caused by the banking and financial institutions?lowing wrote:
Oh please, spare me your "what? I dunno whatcher talkin' about" routineUzique wrote:
What do short-term marketing gimmicks have to do with macro-economics?
Just in case ya missed the papers, We Americans are supposed to be broke,, suffering, can't afford gas, or food or to pay our bills. Yet for some strange reason we have no problem stampeding some poor guy to death to holiday shopping. Not to even mention the others that were hurt, also not t oeven mention that people ignored emergency crews trying to save this guy and stepped over them to go shopping.Uzique wrote:
I honestly don't. Black Friday is a marketing gimmick; a festive-based short-term incentive for a quick buck and a discount sale. What's that got to do with a macroeconomic-scale crisis caused by the banking and financial institutions?lowing wrote:
Oh please, spare me your "what? I dunno whatcher talkin' about" routineUzique wrote:
What do short-term marketing gimmicks have to do with macro-economics?
In before "Because of them Islams" routine.
Stop watching the news. There is your problem.lowing wrote:
Just in case ya missed the papers, We Americans are supposed to be broke,, suffering, can't afford gas, or food or to pay our bills. Yet for some strange reason we have no problem stampeding some poor guy to death to holiday shopping. Not to even mention the others that were hurt, also not t oeven mention that people ignored emergency crews trying to save this guy and stepped over them to go shopping.Uzique wrote:
I honestly don't. Black Friday is a marketing gimmick; a festive-based short-term incentive for a quick buck and a discount sale. What's that got to do with a macroeconomic-scale crisis caused by the banking and financial institutions?lowing wrote:
Oh please, spare me your "what? I dunno whatcher talkin' about" routine
In before "Because of them Islams" routine.
Yes, but you're deriving a conclusion from the after-effects of the crisis, not the causes. When you talk about the 'economic crisis' you're talking about the unrest in the banking institutions and so on... your economic crisis is not the cash-strapped average Joe, that's an effect of the crisis. Black Friday is, as you said, holiday-shopping and a day for consumerist frenzy. As for the point about emergency crews, that's completely ancillary to the economic factors, but I suppose it says alot about our materialist buy-buy-buy culture, if you wanted to be hyper-cynical about things.lowing wrote:
Just in case ya missed the papers, We Americans are supposed to be broke,, suffering, can't afford gas, or food or to pay our bills. Yet for some strange reason we have no problem stampeding some poor guy to death to holiday shopping. Not to even mention the others that were hurt, also not t oeven mention that people ignored emergency crews trying to save this guy and stepped over them to go shopping.Uzique wrote:
I honestly don't. Black Friday is a marketing gimmick; a festive-based short-term incentive for a quick buck and a discount sale. What's that got to do with a macroeconomic-scale crisis caused by the banking and financial institutions?lowing wrote:
Oh please, spare me your "what? I dunno whatcher talkin' about" routine
In before "Because of them Islams" routine.
No this "crisis" was started because people failed to make good on their loans. We are in a recession, we are not supposed to be able to shop til we drop remember, we are all broke, can;t afford food or gas, suffering.Uzique wrote:
Yes, but you're deriving a conclusion from the after-effects of the crisis, not the causes. When you talk about the 'economic crisis' you're talking about the unrest in the banking institutions and so on... your economic crisis is not the cash-strapped average Joe, that's an effect of the crisis. Black Friday is, as you said, holiday-shopping and a day for consumerist frenzy. As for the point about emergency crews, that's completely ancillary to the economic factors, but I suppose it says alot about our materialist buy-buy-buy culture, if you wanted to be hyper-cynical about things.lowing wrote:
Just in case ya missed the papers, We Americans are supposed to be broke,, suffering, can't afford gas, or food or to pay our bills. Yet for some strange reason we have no problem stampeding some poor guy to death to holiday shopping. Not to even mention the others that were hurt, also not t oeven mention that people ignored emergency crews trying to save this guy and stepped over them to go shopping.Uzique wrote:
I honestly don't. Black Friday is a marketing gimmick; a festive-based short-term incentive for a quick buck and a discount sale. What's that got to do with a macroeconomic-scale crisis caused by the banking and financial institutions?
In before "Because of them Islams" routine.
I guess I could reword my point succintly into: This would still happen with or without the economic crisis; irregardless of economic climate or the relative expendable income of your average Joe. It's caused by the hype of the marketing gimmick, by the post-Thanksgiving shopping frenzy. Completely unrelated to anything that you could term 'macroeconomic'.
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Too right. It's not just Americans though. Many people in most Western countries are consumer monkeys. Behaviour like this is utterly disgraceful and it is disgusting to think that so many shoppers (I would've said people, but they barely qualify) can act in such a callous manner, with such blatant disregard for human life.lowing wrote:
Sometimes I am not proud to an American, shit like this is one of those times.Mekstizzle wrote:
How the shit does this shit even happen, people shouldn't be allowed to be in large groups, ever.
Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-11-28 12:12:58)
Most of Holiday things people buy are Crap...Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Recession in America means spending less money on crap you don't need than you normally do but still spending money.
yep. i would honestly kill everyone who was laughing. i think this kind of marketing crap should be banned. these women need more hobbies other than this retarded lameness.Kmarion wrote:
I saw some video someone took with their cell phone. People were laughing in the background as they tried to revive him. I'll never understand those types. They make me sick.
usmarine wrote:
women need more hobbies
True, I do find though that, people, seem really not to grasp a situation like that. I mean, there was that video of the guy being run over and people simply driving/walking past. I dont think there specifically bad people, although am sure some are, I just dont think they know what is really going on.usmarine wrote:
yep. i would honestly kill everyone who was laughing. i think this kind of marketing crap should be banned. these women need more hobbies other than this retarded lameness.Kmarion wrote:
I saw some video someone took with their cell phone. People were laughing in the background as they tried to revive him. I'll never understand those types. They make me sick.
I could agree except for the fact that one of the sale items was a plasma TV. Clearly, the priorties of the "economic crisis" have changed from those of the "Great Depression" of which this is compared. It is the reason for the thread.Bertster7 wrote:
Too right. It's not just Americans though. Many people in most Western countries are consumer monkeys. Behaviour like this is utterly disgraceful and it is disgusting to think that so many shoppers (I would've said people, but they barely qualify) can act in such a callous manner, with such blatant disregard for human life.lowing wrote:
Sometimes I am not proud to an American, shit like this is one of those times.Mekstizzle wrote:
How the shit does this shit even happen, people shouldn't be allowed to be in large groups, ever.
I have to say I disagree with you about this indicating that people have not been hit hard by the recession. You could equally well argue that people trying to save money (because they have less) would be even more attracted to sales at stores like Wal-Mart - but personally, I don't think it shows much either way.
No, this makes me unproud to be an American, because there are people in this world who are REALLY suffering and here we are bitching the loudest about how tough we have it and how we can not afford gas food or pay our bills, then we act like this.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Lowing, I think part of this 'economic crisis' is people spending tons of shit on things they don't need, like cheap DVD players.
And this doesn't make me unproud to be an American; it makes me unproud to be a homo sapiens.