BF2S Forums Cuban Missile Crisis II On The Horizon?

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

You're giving the Middle Eastern 'bad guys' far too much credit in my opinion, the idea of them hitting you from the Middle East is preposterous...

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People once thought flying was preposterous.

You are preposterous. I just can't get my head around the right wing mentality sometimes... when people talk about hijacking planes and flying them into buildings it gets dismissed as unrealistic and not worthy of serious consideration but when you put forward the idea of someone like Iran developing a missile that can travel half the planet and still reach it intended target it is considered perfectly plausible, lulz.

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

You are preposterous. I just can't get my head around the right wing mentality sometimes... when people talk about hijacking planes and flying them into buildings it gets dismissed as unrealistic and not worthy of serious consideration but when you put forward the idea of someone like Iran developing a missile that can travel half the planet and still reach it intended target it is considered perfectly plausible, lulz.

Yeah ok, of course had that 9/11 info been delivered to you I'm sure it would have been prevented, oh wait, forgot that the footage and report didn't time travel in the DeLorean to before the 9th of September 2001.

I don't really see the ME being half a world away from Europe either and also I'm not the one paranoid that a missile defence system is going to cause WW3 because it can disable a few missiles, i.e have bugger all effect on a Russian attack if they wanted to carry one out.

The report didn't have to travel through time M.O.A.B. it was sitting on a desk somewhere when the first plane flew into the North tower.

You guys should forget about Europe, nobody wants the fucking missile system here... instead of protecting us from attack you are turning our continent into a proxy battlefield all over again, just like in the cold war era. France and Britain have nukes, nobody in their right mind is going to go picking fights like that with us any time soon and if they do, we'll deal with it in-house.

You guys could build an offshore missile defence system that would do the same job but for some reason you want a system that sits next to Russia... hmmmm.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2008-12-01 07:23:06)

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

The report didn't have to travel through time M.O.A.B. it was sitting on a desk somewhere when the first plane flew into the North tower.

You guys should forget about Europe, nobody wants the fucking missile system here... instead of protecting us from attack you are turning our continent into a proxy battlefield all over again, just like in the cold war era. France and Britain have nukes, nobody in their right mind is going to go picking fights like that with us any time soon and if they do, we'll deal with it in-house.

You guys could build an offshore missile defence system that would do the same job but for some reason you want a system that sits next to Russia... hmmmm.

The Czech and Polish governments obviously didn't mind when they signed the deal, and don't use the old 'they were bullied into it' shit. If they didn't want it they could have backed out. Yeah also, Russia happens to be right above the ME and the border countries happen to be the last of Europe before you reach the ME, makes a bit of sense unless you want to protect everything west of the Czech Republic and leave everything east of it unprotected.

BTW if there isn't going to be any attack, whats wrong with increasing defence a little eh? What's to lose?

The majority of the Czech population don't want the missile shield there, I certainly didn't detect much support for it when I was there. Haven't met too many Polish people who were fond of the idea either... Europe is not the bastion of democracy that it once once was when it comes to reflecting the desires of the people these days. Just look at the Lisbon treaty - it's getting railroaded through parliament after parliament despite numerous polls in Holland, France and Ireland (an actual referendum in Ireland's case, one that looks like it will be just brushed aside and ignored) that oppose it.

Sources:

http://www.rferl.org/content/Czech_Uppe … 53917.html
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/29 … _in_poland

In terms of looking out against future attacks, by all means bolster your security... but don't compromise my security in the process, this missile shield does.

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Russia would've taken aim at them anyway because they don't listen to Russia any more and as its useless against a full scale or large Russian attack, wtf is Russia complaining about? I'd be more concerned with the US and every other nuclear armed country being able to fire missiles in a retaliatory attack rather than a system that can defeat only a few of my missiles.

Seen as you now appear to have the ability to read minds why not wait until you know someone is going to attack and then hit them first without the need for a Mickey Mouse missile shield that you already admit can't handle real missiles?

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Seen as you now appear to have the ability to read minds why not wait until you know someone is going to attack and then hit them first without the need for a Mickey Mouse missile shield that you already admit can't handle real missiles?

Apparently you think Russia's going to wage a new world war because of this site.

The shield is designed to stop missiles, less-sophisticated missiles coming in from rogue states in the ME. That point has been stressed to absolute breaking point.

Well we'll hope it won't come to that but unless I've been imagining things they definitely don't seem too pleased about the system.

I oppose the system on a number of levels. Firstly on the grounds of hypocrisy (see Cuban missile crisis), secondly on the grounds of de facto imperialism (put the missiles in your fucking territory for a change) and thirdly because Russia actually offered a viable alternative location and it was just sneered at by the US (the Russians can't reasonably be expected to wholeheartedly trust the Americans on the limits and capabilities of the missile system).

There's not really any point in us debating this any further because you view the missile system as a strategic defensive measure that will not be deployed or corrupted towards any other goal or purpose whereas I view it as an offensive measure that may very well turn out to be more effective and dangerous once it's in place if corrupted by the wrong type of people.