Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina
I've always wondered this, and it's never made sense to me.  Pardons just seem like a great way for presidents to excuse people who have done favors for them in the past.

It's basically a blatant avenue for corruption.

What do you guys think?
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7020
found this...
http://igs.berkeley.edu/library/pardon.html

"envisioned the pardon power has having a narrow purpose in times of war and rebellion.  The president might offer pardons to rebellious factions as an inducement for a laying down of arms and national reconciliation"

kind of different usage now...lol
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AussieReaper
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+5,761|6457|what

They have the power because your Constitutional rights were based of the Roman system as a template. The last court of appeal would be Caesar, although the office of Pro-Consul often included the sitting as Judge during some time of the mans rise through the ranks. It was far more practical at that time, because the cases that the Emperor saw weren't anything near the amount that a current President could have to deal with.

I think it's unjustified myself. The Executive branch shouldn't meet the Judicial in this way, or at all unless it's in forming the laws rather than applying them.

The British system currently has the Queen as the final Court of Appeal, as does Australia but only after it's gone through the High Court of Australia can it make it to her. After that I don't know how she is meant to deal with a case.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

President's do not actively seek out pardons. They are lobbied (usually by congressmen). They have to go through a "Pardon Attorney" first.. it's actually an entire group of officials that reviews the pardon. Only federal crimes can be pardoned and only after they serve at least five years.

What did the founders have in mind? "..... in seasons of insurrection or rebellion, there are often critical moments, when a well-timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquility of the commonwealth."

hmm
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Turquoise wrote:

It's basically a blatant avenue for corruption.
Pretty much.

The only use I can think of would be to commute a death sentence to life, where the original decision was perverse.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Johnson pardoned the citizens of the confederate states.. thank god. Carter pardoned all those Vietnam draft dodgers, shame. Steinbrenner was pardoned by Reagan (for improper campaign donations), shame.

One of the best.
In 1983, financier Rich was indicted for evading more than $48 million in taxes, and charged with 51 counts of tax fraud, as well as running illegal oil deals with Iran during the 1979-1980 hostage crisis. During his last week in office, President Bill Clinton pardoned Rich, who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution and was residing in Switzerland. Clinton's eleventh-hour move, along with pardons of his half-brother, Roger, and former business partner Susan McDougal, outraged Republicans and Democrats alike. The Rich pardon sparked an investigation into whether it was bought by the hefty donations Rich's ex-wife, Denise, had given to the Clintons and the Democrats. In the end, investigators did not find enough evidence to indict Clinton.
wtf
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ghettoperson
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Kmarion wrote:

Johnson pardoned the citizens of the confederate states.. thank god. Carter pardoned all those Vietnam draft dodgers, shame. Steinbrenner was pardoned by Reagan (for improper campaign donations), shame.

One of the best.
In 1983, financier Rich was indicted for evading more than $48 million in taxes, and charged with 51 counts of tax fraud, as well as running illegal oil deals with Iran during the 1979-1980 hostage crisis. During his last week in office, President Bill Clinton pardoned Rich, who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution and was residing in Switzerland. Clinton's eleventh-hour move, along with pardons of his half-brother, Roger, and former business partner Susan McDougal, outraged Republicans and Democrats alike. The Rich pardon sparked an investigation into whether it was bought by the hefty donations Rich's ex-wife, Denise, had given to the Clintons and the Democrats. In the end, investigators did not find enough evidence to indict Clinton.
wtf
WTF? Why would he do that?
Chou
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+737|7095
Another thumb up for Clinton
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6804|so randum

TheAussieReaper wrote:

They have the power because your Constitutional rights were based of the Roman system as a template. The last court of appeal would be Caesar, although the office of Pro-Consul often included the sitting as Judge during some time of the mans rise through the ranks. It was far more practical at that time, because the cases that the Emperor saw weren't anything near the amount that a current President could have to deal with.

I think it's unjustified myself. The Executive branch shouldn't meet the Judicial in this way, or at all unless it's in forming the laws rather than applying them.

The British system currently has the Queen as the final Court of Appeal, as does Australia but only after it's gone through the High Court of Australia can it make it to her. After that I don't know how she is meant to deal with a case.
Forgot about that, i think that's one of the few things she can actually do
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina
Good points everybody.  I didn't really think of the insurgency thing.

Still, as the Marc Rich pardon shows, I think it does more harm than good.  We need to revoke this power.
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Sounds like yet another string of text in the great books that needs to be edited...along with many others...(such as gunlaws, filesharing and other hightech offences) since we now live in 2008 and not 1708.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6751|Boulder, CO

TheAussieReaper wrote:

They have the power because your Constitutional rights were based of the Roman system as a template. The last court of appeal would be Caesar, although the office of Pro-Consul often included the sitting as Judge during some time of the mans rise through the ranks. It was far more practical at that time, because the cases that the Emperor saw weren't anything near the amount that a current President could have to deal with.

I think it's unjustified myself. The Executive branch shouldn't meet the Judicial in this way, or at all unless it's in forming the laws rather than applying them.

The British system currently has the Queen as the final Court of Appeal, as does Australia but only after it's gone through the High Court of Australia can it make it to her. After that I don't know how she is meant to deal with a case.
Its not the queen thats the final court of appeal, its the queens council. This is generally made up of very high status lords e.g. the lord chief justice, and the QC's (Queens councilors, very high ranking barristers). The queen has nothing to do with the judicial system any more.

Btw, if its a matter on european law then it goes to the E.U. court of appeal as its final step, if its about human rights then the UN.

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