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Poll

AT & AA station at every flag

Yes, I am tired of the vehicle whores27%27% - 10
Yes, I want a challenge while whoring vehicles2%2% - 1
Yes, I want a chance to kill vehicles as a non-AT36%36% - 13
No, I am a vehicle whore33%33% - 12
Total: 36
2006-01-23 18:26:19
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|6677
I think there should be an AT rocket station AND an AA rocket station at every flag.  This will give people who aren't using the AT kit a chance of killing a vehicle.

These people will oppose this:
-Tank whores
-APC whores
-Jet whores
-People who couldn't handle CS:S, so they came here to whore vehicles to keep their ego high
-People without skill

These people will be in favour of this:
-People who are tried of the huge vehicle rapage
-People who have skill
2006-01-23 18:35:51
Kamikaze17
Over the line!
+70|6741|Mark it zero.
well its fine how it is i think, but it would be pretty nice to have a few more TOWs sitting around. this it the reason i try not to play by myself and always with teammates. when we have a squad together, we dont need any TOWs or AA becuse of the classes we choose.
2006-01-24 08:09:34
Zukabazuka
Member
+23|6678
Well Mashtuur city is pretty anoying because the only anti air towers are at the homebase. So the only way to bring them down is either support or anti tank
2006-01-24 10:15:40
OpsChief
Member
+101|6668|Southern California

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

I think there should be an AT rocket station AND an AA rocket station at every flag.  This will give people who aren't using the AT kit a chance of killing a vehicle.

These people will oppose this:
-Tank whores
-APC whores
-Jet whores
-People who couldn't handle CS:S, so they came here to whore vehicles to keep their ego high
-People without skill

These people will be in favour of this:
-People who are tried of the huge vehicle rapage
-People who have skill
LOL sharkbite not again!!!!

CS sux. paradigm is too limited. It doesn't have tanks so I don't play it. I use armor because I understand armor, I understand infantry but hate walking, helicopters are fun sometimes but not my favorite because I as a gunner I always seem to get the infantry pilot who tries to fight from 3 feet away.  last time I used a flight simulator was 1990, don't care about jets either way.

All Infantry whores need to wise up and remember that this is BF2 not CS or any other mono-component game.

BF2 IS JOINT/COMBINED ARMS - LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT

Raise yourself up sharkbite, BELIEVE!!!! and you will be rewarded.
2006-01-24 10:23:23
$kelet0r
Member
+16|6675
sharkbite strikes again
go play css damn you if you think we couldn't handle CS:S, so we came here to whore vehicles to keep our ego high
moron
2006-01-24 10:30:40
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|6702|Charlie One Alpha
Actually, I sometimes DO play CS:S when I get tired of all the BF2 shit. It's not just the vehicles, it's the entire feeling of the game. BF2 just feels so damn stressed with people being angry all the time and hardly anybody seems to actually enjoy themselves. CS:S gives me a much 'happier' feeling when playing. Plus I kick ass in that game.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
2006-01-24 12:50:55
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|6677

OpsChief wrote:

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

I think there should be an AT rocket station AND an AA rocket station at every flag.  This will give people who aren't using the AT kit a chance of killing a vehicle.

These people will oppose this:
-Tank whores
-APC whores
-Jet whores
-People who couldn't handle CS:S, so they came here to whore vehicles to keep their ego high
-People without skill

These people will be in favour of this:
-People who are tried of the huge vehicle rapage
-People who have skill
LOL sharkbite not again!!!!

CS sux. paradigm is too limited. It doesn't have tanks so I don't play it. I use armor because I understand armor, I understand infantry but hate walking, helicopters are fun sometimes but not my favorite because I as a gunner I always seem to get the infantry pilot who tries to fight from 3 feet away.  last time I used a fligt simulator was 1990, don't care about jets either way.

All Infantry whores need to wise up and remember that this is BF2 not CS or any other mono-component game.

BF2 IS JOINT/COMBINED ARMS - LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT

Raise yourself up sharkbite, BELIEVE!!!! and you will be rewarded.
Well, hey.  You seem to think there is some sort of skill to driving vehicles.  Then why are you not in favour of adding more skill?  Don't you want to be distinguished from the noobs?  Don't you hate it whenever someone sees you they are probably thinking "Damn tank noob", even though you are not a noob at the tank, you are actually a "skilled" tank driver?  If there are AA and AT stations at every flag, then no one will ever call you a noob again, because you have genuine skill if you can survive against the AT and AA stations.

How the hell can you be an infantry whore?  Its what you start with, you can't whore what you start with you moron.  And anyway, the infantry is the lowest thing on the field in terms of power, so why exactly would we CHOOSE to "whore" infantry?  I have a feeling that "infantry whore" is something the tank newbies made up to feel better about themselves, since they are very defensive because after all they ARE using a tank.  You can't whore something that takes 10x more skill and is about 10x less effective than the tanks.

Last edited by Sh4rkb1t3 (2006-01-24 12:51:45)

2006-01-24 13:49:21
Kung Jew
That one mod
+331|6738|Houston, TX
I'm a bit of a tank whore, when not sniping.  I'd enjoy the challenge of AT turrets at the flags.  They are usually the first thing I annihilate when arriving on the scene.  Once the AT emplacement is destroyed I focus on the surroundings.

I welcome it.

KJ

Last edited by Kung Jew (2006-01-24 13:57:03)

2006-01-24 13:56:22
fikraag7
j00baroni w/ l33t sauce
+1|6747

I have to agree with sharkbite on this one. How does one infantry whore?
2006-01-24 14:19:34
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|6677

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Actually, I sometimes DO play CS:S when I get tired of all the BF2 shit. It's not just the vehicles, it's the entire feeling of the game. BF2 just feels so damn stressed with people being angry all the time and hardly anybody seems to actually enjoy themselves. CS:S gives me a much 'happier' feeling when playing. Plus I kick ass in that game.
Everyone is angry with BF2 because it is a rock paper scissors game.  You always get the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Your a sniper, and an assault comes up to you.  You die now, you have a 0% chance of killing him - even though you could be 10x better than he is.  The sniper should have SOME chance of killing at close range.

You are a medic, now a tank comes to kill you.  You have no hope of killing it.  No hope, no fun.  Might aswell just stand in front of the tank now so you can die sooner and respawn as an AT.

So you choose AT, now you find an infantry.  He kicks your ass, because your kit is a POS against infantry.

There should be SOME overlap with the strengths of the kits.  The sniper shouldn't be unbeatable at long range, and a wimpy little girl at short.  It's specialty should be long range, but at short range, you should have a chance.

The assault shouldn't be a unbeatable against at other classes, and worthless against tanks.  Its should be good at killing infantry, and not so good at killing tanks, but alteast have a CHANCE of killing them.

The AT shouldn't be the only class that can kill tanks, but it can't kill anything else.  Its strength should be killing tanks, and still be almost as good as any other class at killing infantry.
The AT shouldn't be
2006-01-24 14:38:19
DavidGale
Member
+0|6666|Western Mass

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

OpsChief wrote:

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

I think there should be an AT rocket station AND an AA rocket station at every flag.  This will give people who aren't using the AT kit a chance of killing a vehicle.

These people will oppose this:
-Tank whores
-APC whores
-Jet whores
-People who couldn't handle CS:S, so they came here to whore vehicles to keep their ego high
-People without skill

These people will be in favour of this:
-People who are tried of the huge vehicle rapage
-People who have skill
LOL sharkbite not again!!!!

CS sux. paradigm is too limited. It doesn't have tanks so I don't play it. I use armor because I understand armor, I understand infantry but hate walking, helicopters are fun sometimes but not my favorite because I as a gunner I always seem to get the infantry pilot who tries to fight from 3 feet away.  last time I used a fligt simulator was 1990, don't care about jets either way.

All Infantry whores need to wise up and remember that this is BF2 not CS or any other mono-component game.

BF2 IS JOINT/COMBINED ARMS - LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT

Raise yourself up sharkbite, BELIEVE!!!! and you will be rewarded.
Well, hey.  You seem to think there is some sort of skill to driving vehicles.  Then why are you not in favour of adding more skill?  Don't you want to be distinguished from the noobs?  Don't you hate it whenever someone sees you they are probably thinking "Damn tank noob", even though you are not a noob at the tank, you are actually a "skilled" tank driver?  If there are AA and AT stations at every flag, then no one will ever call you a noob again, because you have genuine skill if you can survive against the AT and AA stations.

How the hell can you be an infantry whore?  Its what you start with, you can't whore what you start with you moron.  And anyway, the infantry is the lowest thing on the field in terms of power, so why exactly would we CHOOSE to "whore" infantry?  I have a feeling that "infantry whore" is something the tank newbies made up to feel better about themselves, since they are very defensive because after all they ARE using a tank.  You can't whore something that takes 10x more skill and is about 10x less effective than the tanks.
You are missing the point.  You are probably the same guy who complains about AWPers when playing CS:S.

The developers made the game with a variety of air and land vehicles, ground defense, air defense, several kits, etc.  They made these to balance each other out.  The tested the game, adjusted, tested, adjusted, and still are going through that process.  Point is, you can easily take a "tank whore" with what's available around you.  I noticed that your forum ID is different than your BF2 name, and you have no stats link.  Is this because you don't want people to find out whether or not you are whining because you can't handle what you are complaining about?  I'm not saying I'm very good either, so save yourself the energy of flaming me due to my stats.  Vehicles don't take much skill if you want to get out there with them and kill a couple infantrymen before getting blown up.  But if you take the tank/APC with the knowledge that it is your job to eliminate the opposing armor, jeeps, or even air, then it takes more skill.  One skilled AT can take down a tank, and 2 or 3 will fuck that thing up before the driver can get his third shot off.  Every single aspect of this game takes skill to use as intended.  You think I like being C4 suicided or triple teamed by a tank, heli, and AT squad when I'm  rocking the tank?  Wrong answer, I love it.  That's what the game is all about, having to realistically react to unexpected situations.

If you don't like the way we play, start your own server, or start playing single player.
2006-01-24 15:00:33
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|6677
Oh really?

In summary, here is the so called "balance" in BF2:

Jets > Attack Chopper > Tanks > APC > Mobile AA > BH > Vodnick > Go Kart > Infantry

"Vehicles don't take much skill if you want to get out there with them and kill a couple infantrymen before getting blown up"

Would you consider a 10-1 ratio a couple?  Now lets see here, being able to kill 10 guys per tank, even though you have no skill.  Wow, sounds balanced to me.  Imagine someone in CS:S who can get 10:1 ratios every game.  How long do you think they played for?  2 years, 3 years mabey?  Now anyone can get a 10:1 ratio just by hopping in a tank.  Its like this game was MADE for people that refuse to accept that practice makes perfect.  Is this what we want to teach our kids?  Practice makes perfect, unless you get an easy way out (tank), then you don't have to practice.
2006-01-24 15:04:09
DavidGale
Member
+0|6666|Western Mass

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

Oh really?

In summary, here is the so called "balance" in BF2:

Jets > Attack Chopper > Tanks > APC > Mobile AA > BH > Vodnick > Go Kart > Infantry

"Vehicles don't take much skill if you want to get out there with them and kill a couple infantrymen before getting blown up"

Would you consider a 10-1 ratio a couple?  Now lets see here, being able to kill 10 guys per tank, even though you have no skill.  Wow, sounds balanced to me.  Imagine someone in CS:S who can get 10:1 ratios every game.  How long do you think they played for?  2 years, 3 years mabey?  Now anyone can get a 10:1 ratio just by hopping in a tank.  Its like this game was MADE for people that refuse to accept that practice makes perfect.  Is this what we want to teach our kids?  Practice makes perfect, unless you get an easy way out (tank), then you don't have to practice.
Most players can't just hop in a tank and get a 10:1, not without practice.  You are either very ignorant, or very young. 

Like I said, your own server, or single player.  Maybe try a different game.

What's your PID?

Edit: Also, why would they make a semi realistic game that is not realistic?  Do you think in real life tanks go down ANYWHERE near as fast as they do in BF2?

Last edited by DavidGale (2006-01-24 15:10:12)

2006-01-24 15:11:55
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|6677
Actually my little brother got a 7:1 ratio in a tank first time, close enough.

I guess you want my name so you can judge me according to my stats?  Fucking kids.  Sure if you really want to: P4ras1ght3

BF2 is not realistic.  They just took some realistic qualities, and exaggerated them beyond real life to give the impression that the game is super realistic.  Which is why you lose health for falling 3 feet, and you get tired for running for more than 10 seconds, and also why it takes about 10 seconds to reload every weapon.  They wanted to give the impression that vehicles are super strong compared to infantry like IRL, but they fucked up and made them too good.  How the hell doesn't a jeep explode instantly if you throw a grenade underneath of it, or if you hit it with a rocket?  Why isn't there a huge ass hole in the side of the tank if you shoot it with a rocket, even though the rocket probably had about 100,000 kJ of energy?  How the hell can a piece of metal absorb that much energy without becoming completely trashed?  How can a tank survive a bomb being dropped on it?  Why is the helicopter stronger than the tank?  Why does the APC shoot rapid fire grenades?

Last edited by Sh4rkb1t3 (2006-01-24 15:18:21)

2006-01-24 15:24:19
dan500
Member
+57|6840

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

These people will oppose this:
-Tank whores
Your right, I think they would be stupid, as a good tanker (tank whore) people should work as a team;

Karkand, best map for me to whore on, if there was a AT guy on square roof, and someone on the TOW, it would not be as easy for me to get into the city, i take the back road in, the subrub, once again, some one on the roof as AT someone on the TOW, im pretty f*cked.

As for AA, if the other people flying did there job and took the plane's down, there would be no need for AA at every flag.
2006-01-24 15:27:50
OpsChief
Member
+101|6668|Southern California
Sharkbite lol u r funny man...but I bet you're a damn good infantryman - keep those damn C4 flingin bastards away from my tank!!!

Who ever said the Infantry was the pinnacle of achievment in BF2? Infantryman. Well that's called a conflict of interest lol  If it wasn't some tank killin ya it would just be another couple of dancing tooberinas doin it.

You guys coming from previous FPS games have a single arm perspective. BF2 is JOINT/COMBINED ARMS bud that means Air/Sea/Land forces (Joint), Armor/Infantry/Artillery (Combined).  BF2 is an environment where people can specialize in their combat skill of choice. Since I have always liked armor I choose to use it. The only whoring going on is nooblettes getting hostile because somebody let tanks into THEIR game without THEIR permission.

Shark I want to challenge you. Form a squad named "Kill Tanks"  then invite people into it and get all the tank busting kits, bring along a medic and support to keep you going longer. Then go out and crack some turrets open. Do this next weekend for every armor game you play in. When there is a tank your tank busters will be there. You will start a new phase in the game, tank hunter/killers specialist squads.  If you see me out there duck cause I am lookin for tank killin parties and my backup will be there flank & 6.

I agree with you about strained reality, bunny hopping with 120 lbs of rockets on your back is harmful to your health even if you aren't in combat. The whole business of BF2 jumping needs a rethink. As to your comments about grenades taking out buggies and such, all weapon/ordnance/target ratios arent 100%. A grenade has a good chance at immobilizing a light wheeled vehicle but "blowing it up"? much much less. Have you ever seen a real Claymore go off? damn!!! it should be able to have a chance at immobilizing wheeled APCs with that kind of rape. A shoulder-fired anti-tank missile, IF it hits MAY knockout the tank but more the chance it will do superficial and light damage, maybe stall it. A much smaller percentage of a 1 hit KO.  Tank are baddasses face it. But single tanks moving alone without infantry cooperation are dead meat, dead dead dead.

Last edited by OpsChief (2006-01-24 15:38:29)

2006-01-24 15:28:31
DavidGale
Member
+0|6666|Western Mass

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

Actually my little brother got a 7:1 ratio in a tank first time, close enough.

I guess you want my name so you can judge me according to my stats?  Fucking kids.  Sure if you really want to: P4ras1ght3

BF2 is not realistic.  They just took some realistic qualities, and exaggerated them beyond real life to give the impression that the game is super realistic.  Which is why you lose health for falling 3 feet, and you get tired for running for more than 10 seconds, and also why it takes about 10 seconds to reload every weapon.  They wanted to give the impression that vehicles are super strong compared to infantry like IRL, but they fucked up and made them too good.  How the hell doesn't a jeep explode instantly if you throw a grenade underneath of it, or if you hit it with a rocket?  Why isn't there a huge ass hole in the side of the tank if you shoot it with a rocket, even though the rocket probably had about 100,000 kJ of energy?  How the hell can a piece of metal absorb that much energy without becoming completely trashed?  How can a tank survive a bomb being dropped on it?  Why is the helicopter stronger than the tank?  Why does the APC shoot rapid fire grenades?
How old are you?

With that much equipment on, you'd be lucky to run 10 seconds (which, btw, in game soldiers carry much more than real life soldiers), also, have you ever tried rapidly reloading a weapon while under fire with all sorts of shit on?  I haven't.  Tanks are designed to take that kind of abuse, the bomb drop is unrealistic I agree, and the heli is not stronger than a tank armor wise, it takes two shells to take down a heli, and about 5 or 6 of the missles to blow up a tank.

Relax, you are getting so mad that you aren't making correct statements.

p.s. You are better than me at BF2.  Not much, but better.  According to stats anyway.
2006-01-24 15:35:53
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|6670|Middle of nowhere

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

Actually my little brother got a 7:1 ratio in a tank first time, close enough.

I guess you want my name so you can judge me according to my stats?  Fucking kids.  Sure if you really want to: P4ras1ght3

BF2 is not realistic.  They just took some realistic qualities, and exaggerated them beyond real life to give the impression that the game is super realistic.  Which is why you lose health for falling 3 feet, and you get tired for running for more than 10 seconds, and also why it takes about 10 seconds to reload every weapon.  They wanted to give the impression that vehicles are super strong compared to infantry like IRL, but they fucked up and made them too good.  How the hell doesn't a jeep explode instantly if you throw a grenade underneath of it, or if you hit it with a rocket?  Why isn't there a huge ass hole in the side of the tank if you shoot it with a rocket, even though the rocket probably had about 100,000 kJ of energy?  How the hell can a piece of metal absorb that much energy without becoming completely trashed?  How can a tank survive a bomb being dropped on it?  Why is the helicopter stronger than the tank?  Why does the APC shoot rapid fire grenades?
Your right, BF2 isn't realistic. Know why? Because it's a game. You don't seem to have gotten through your head that this is a game. So what if a tank is powerful? How about instead of complaing about it go on a server and learn how to deal with it. Really not that hard. We all deal with it, and your the only one complaining. So fuck off and go back to CS:S and leave us alone.
2006-01-24 15:38:53
the_ubernoob_
Member
+8|6736
Things that should change:
aircraft should not be able to take a tank shell and fly away. (hopefully when the HP of aircraft is dropped in the next patch this will no longer be a problem)

aircraft should have to touch and go to rearm bombs (I can see why they would be to busy to land in a dogfight so let them keep the Mach II aa missle reload and bullet reload...just slow down the bombs.)

(next vehicle map I play I'm going to organize a tank killer squad...now I wish I had unlocked the DAO )

-------------------------------------
In the hands of an experienced armor driver the tanks are a bit powerfull...I know some can last forever if all they have to do is mowdown specops guys with their c4.  The one thing that will always kill a tank is 2 or more at guys popping up like some weird whack-a-mole game blasting the tank with rockets.

I dont think their should be an AT station at every base but I think their should be AT stations at more bases than their are now.  AA stations are more annoying than deadly to pilots right now so I don't really think adding more of them will help much.

Last edited by the_ubernoob_ (2006-01-24 15:44:03)

2006-01-24 15:43:04
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|6677
Mabey YOU couldn't run for more than 10 seconds with that much stuff on, but people who exercise everyday could.

A knife, which weights very little
A pistol with 7 magazines, mabey 4 pounds.
An assault rifle with 4 magazines, mabey 15 pounds.
4 grenades, mabey 1.5 pounds.
And about 10 pounds worth of extra stuff, except for the engineer and AT.  But the AT carries 6 rockets, which isn't possible (200 pounds?!)
So it comes out to be about 30 pounds worth of stuff.

Reloading wouldn't be any harder, I don't think.

Mabey the only reason I am slightly better is because I don't have to deal with vehicle whores (I play karkand only).

If a death wasn't recorded every time you died to a teamkiller, artillary, or a vehicle, I would probably have a 3:1 ratio

Last edited by Sh4rkb1t3 (2006-01-24 15:46:16)

2006-01-24 15:43:54
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|6670|Middle of nowhere
You know what i find hilarious? Your favorite vehicle is a tank and you only have the Armour badge and ribbon for any of the vehicles....talk about hipocrocism (if that's how you spell it )
2006-01-24 15:45:01
SineNomine
Panzerblitz
+37|6715|SPARTA

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

I think there should be an AT rocket station AND an AA rocket station at every flag.  This will give people who aren't using the AT kit a chance of killing a vehicle.

These people will oppose this:
-Tank whores
-APC whores
-Jet whores
-People who couldn't handle CS:S, so they came here to whore vehicles to keep their ego high
-People without skill

These people will be in favour of this:
-People who are tried of the huge vehicle rapage
-People who have skill
People who have skill do not complain, they get along well with the given "tools"!
i need skill to kill with a tank, u need skill to kill a tank. change ur strategy when cant handle nme armour at the moment.                     
2006-01-24 15:45:07
chase_mccloud
[bha] Chase
+0|6661|HERE -->USA
I DONT LIKE THE IDEA, GOT IT!!!

Last edited by chase_mccloud (2006-01-24 15:45:33)

2006-01-24 15:49:49
the_ubernoob_
Member
+8|6736
well that explains why his favorite vehicle is tank (on the smaller karkands there arent many combat vehicles other than tanks).

The sprinting thing is a little messed up, but I rationalize it as you can sprint once, twice, maybe three times like that before exhaustion starts to mess up your performance.  This is a soldier that knows his limits and paces himself so that he is always ready to handle the next unexpected threat at a moment's notice.

(I feel sorry for the Support guy though....can you imagine even just crawling while carrying INFINITE AMMO??? thats like an infinitely heavy load.)

Last edited by the_ubernoob_ (2006-01-24 15:50:15)

2006-01-24 15:50:01
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|6677

genius_man16 wrote:

You know what i find hilarious? Your favorite vehicle is a tank and you only have the Armour badge and ribbon for any of the vehicles....talk about hipocrocism (if that's how you spell it )
Mabey because there aren't any planes or helis on karkand?  And I've used transport for almost as long as I've used a tank (15 minutes less).  I usually only get in tanks/APC so I get driver assist kills anyway (tape down CTRL key and do homework).  I usually get 30 points a round just from getting back inside the tank/APC 3-4 times a game.

 

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