Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6773

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
Slavery means you don't get paid.  A tax credit would be tantamount to getting paid, right?

I missed where it says government would pay for college.  Is it in that link?

I for one support the idea of investing heavily in programs to support volunteer work - it benefits society.  The great thing is that volunteer work is exactly that - it's not mandatory; you have to volunteer for it!

For what it's worth, the Catholic High School I went to required 80 hours of community service, the public High School I went to required 10.
My Catholic highschool requires 95.

The public one in my town requires 10.


Personally I wash dishes at a soup kitchen.
Reciprocity
Member
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Spearhead wrote:

Sounds like FDR.
And what'd that old cripple ever do for this country?











oh, yeah.
rdx-fx
...
+955|6896

God Save the Queen wrote:

I think its a great idea.  maybe you would have a different attitude about things if you ever served this country.
So.. do I get a pass for the 70,080 hours I've already put in?
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7021
I think it's a great idea... now to convince the college age kids that it's good...
Love is the answer
thtthht
maximum bullshit
+50|6635|teh alien spaceshit
TBH, although I don't like Obama, I think this is a good idea.
We might see less vandilism and property destruction.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,060|7076|PNW

The more times words like 'mandatory' and 'required' are applied to government regulations for citizens, the more I squirm.

I guess the Democrats don't think we volunteer and donate enough.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7010
That's the great irony.  Republicans give more to charities and spend more time volunteering, and the Democrats want to put it in control of the government and make it all mandatory.  It's scary that he's already talking about this, and he has not even been elected a week.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6457|what

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

That's the great irony.  Republicans give more to charities and spend more time volunteering,
If you say so.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7021

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

That's the great irony.  Republicans give more to charities and spend more time volunteering,
If you say so.
it's actually true...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl … l_giv.html

http://digg.com/politics/Conservatives_ … as_a_whole

http://oregonactivist.blogspot.com/2008 … -than.html

and happier... lol
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/kriste … -go-figure
Love is the answer
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6457|what

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

That's the great irony.  Republicans give more to charities and spend more time volunteering,
If you say so.
it's actually true...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl … l_giv.html

http://digg.com/politics/Conservatives_ … as_a_whole

http://oregonactivist.blogspot.com/2008 … -than.html

and happier... lol
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/kriste … -go-figure
From the same Arthur C. Brooks your sources all mention:

http://www.arthurbrooks.net/statistics.html

People who are religious give more across the board to all causes than their non-religious counterparts

There is a huge “charity gap” that follows religion: On average, religious people are far more generous than secularists with their time and money. This is not just because of giving to churches—religious people are more generous than secularists towards explicitly non-religious charities as well. They are also more generous in informal ways, such as giving money to family members, and behaving honestly.

Giving supports economic growth and actually creates prosperity

Many studies show that giving and volunteering improve physical health and happiness, and lead to better citizenship. In other words, we need to give for our own good. Cultural and political influences—and the many government policies—that discourage private charitable behavior have negative effects that are far more widespread than people usually realize.

The working poor in America give more to charity than the middle class

The American working poor are, relative to their income, some of the most generous people in America today. The nonworking poor, however—those on public assistance instead of earning low wages—give at lower levels than any other group. In other words, poverty does not discourage charity in America, but welfare does.

Upper level income people often give less than the working poor

Among Americans with above-average incomes who do not give charitably, a majority say that they ‘don’t have enough money.’ Meanwhile, the working poor in America give a larger percentage of their incomes to charity than any other income group, including the middle class and rich.
Saying because your Republican you give more to charity is utterly ignorant. Especially when even author of "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" Mr. Brooks states it has more to do with Religious leaning than any other factor.

The reason the results are skewed towards the Republicans, and skewed they are, is only because the Religious right so heavily support the Republican party. And it's only that base of supporters that twist the statistics so far towards the party.

When you look at income levels, race, geographical level and any other demographic excluding the extremely religious right, you'll find that it's the lower income earners who give more than anyone else.

Sadly each of your sources takes Arthur's findings that the Republicans statistically give more, all fail to see his point that this is only because the religious right so heavily vote Republican.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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This I think is a good thing.
Volunteering is all but dead, and the amount of time people waste sitting on their bums is incredible.
Fuck Israel
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6969|NT, like Mick Dundee

OMG ME!?!?!?!

Last edited by Flecco (2008-11-08 06:10:52)

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6997

Spearhead wrote:

Sounds like FDR.  Everytime someone calls him a socialist I love Obama just a little bit more.
I'd say the New Deal programs were rather different than this. FDR created organizations that people worked for, no?. He didn't force any social service on anyone.

Many students already do what would be considered community service and don't realize it. Don't worry folks, this might be good for the yout's.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6886|SE London

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Sounds like indentured servitude to me...  Socialism?

First Black President wants a form of slavery?
So getting paid $40/hour is slavery? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. My only criticism is that it's perhaps too good a deal. For schoolkids that's way more than they'd earn anywhere else.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6842|Long Island, New York
If my parents getting a tax credit to help pay for college (especially since ERAU isn't exactly cheap) is considered socialism to you, bring it on.

And what's wrong with mandated community service? Many, MANY schools including mine have it. I've got about 15/25 hours down currently.

Have you seen the way most teenagers are today? They're fucking lazy. And you think this is a bad thing?

People play into the Palin rhetoric way too much.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7021

TheAussieReaper wrote:

From the same Arthur C. Brooks your sources all mention:

http://www.arthurbrooks.net/statistics.html

People who are religious give more across the board to all causes than their non-religious counterparts

There is a huge “charity gap” that follows religion: On average, religious people are far more generous than secularists with their time and money. This is not just because of giving to churches—religious people are more generous than secularists towards explicitly non-religious charities as well. They are also more generous in informal ways, such as giving money to family members, and behaving honestly.

Giving supports economic growth and actually creates prosperity

Many studies show that giving and volunteering improve physical health and happiness, and lead to better citizenship. In other words, we need to give for our own good. Cultural and political influences—and the many government policies—that discourage private charitable behavior have negative effects that are far more widespread than people usually realize.

The working poor in America give more to charity than the middle class

The American working poor are, relative to their income, some of the most generous people in America today. The nonworking poor, however—those on public assistance instead of earning low wages—give at lower levels than any other group. In other words, poverty does not discourage charity in America, but welfare does.

Upper level income people often give less than the working poor

Among Americans with above-average incomes who do not give charitably, a majority say that they ‘don’t have enough money.’ Meanwhile, the working poor in America give a larger percentage of their incomes to charity than any other income group, including the middle class and rich.
Saying because your Republican you give more to charity is utterly ignorant. Especially when even author of "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" Mr. Brooks states it has more to do with Religious leaning than any other factor.

The reason the results are skewed towards the Republicans, and skewed they are, is only because the Religious right so heavily support the Republican party. And it's only that base of supporters that twist the statistics so far towards the party.

When you look at income levels, race, geographical level and any other demographic excluding the extremely religious right, you'll find that it's the lower income earners who give more than anyone else.

Sadly each of your sources takes Arthur's findings that the Republicans statistically give more, all fail to see his point that this is only because the religious right so heavily vote Republican.
I meant conservative... genius... relax...   you say the most ignorant things over and over...zzzzzzz

http://forthegrandchildren.blogspot.com … -than.html

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2 … assionate/

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2008-11-08 06:39:48)

Love is the answer
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6457|what

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

I meant conservative... genius... relax...
Thanks for making that distinction when you supported Deadmonkiefart's original claim of Republicans.

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Republicans give more to charities and spend more time volunteering,

TheAussieReaper wrote:

If you say so

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

it's actually true...
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6457|what

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

well aware of that... any point little kid...?
You've got no sources other than blogs and one guys book that makes the clear distinction that it's the religious groups that make the most charitable work, not simply Republicans\Conservatives\however else you'd like to label them.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6969|NT, like Mick Dundee

TheAussieReaper wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

well aware of that... any point little kid...?
You've got no sources other than blogs and one guys book that makes the clear distinction that it's the religious groups that make the most charitable work, not simply Republicans\Conservatives\however else you'd like to label them.
Blogs are credible sources m8, even if they don't reference any actual scientific evidence that can be verified/a reliable document that itself either references scientific/empirical evidence or is a primary source.

Last edited by Flecco (2008-11-08 07:03:48)

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6886|SE London

Flecco wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

well aware of that... any point little kid...?
You've got no sources other than blogs and one guys book that makes the clear distinction that it's the religious groups that make the most charitable work, not simply Republicans\Conservatives\however else you'd like to label them.
Blogs are credible sources m8, even if they don't reference any actual scientific evidence that can be verified/a reliable document that itself either references scientific/empirical evidence or is a primary source.
Blogs are no more of a reliable source than usign forum posts as sources and we all know how unreliable that can be.

Blogs are shit sources.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6846|Texas - Bigger than France

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Sounds like indentured servitude to me...  Socialism?

First Black President wants a form of slavery?

Obama wants to wrote:

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
Teeny Boppers have fun...

Gov is going to pay for college? Socialism here we come.... 

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/servi … -americans
This is a great idea actually.

I'd rather this get funded then just giving over a wad of cash (we'll do that to I'm sure)
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6006|College Park, MD

Poseidon wrote:

If my parents getting a tax credit to help pay for college (especially since ERAU isn't exactly cheap)
Nothing is cheap. Even if you get in-state tuition somewhere, they come back to bite you in the ass with room & board fees

Thank god I'm not applying to George Washington Uni... I think it's $40K for just tuition, and then you have room & board on top of that.

And yes, I like this idea. Socialistic? Maybe. But it's not like they'd just be giving away money, you'd be donating your time in a constructive manner for the greater good.

Or do you have a problem with the military giving college tuition benefits to soldiers? Joining the military is voluntary, but if you do join and serve you can get some nice benefits. Likewise, nobody's being forced to do community service. But if you do it, then you get some benefits.

Last edited by Hurricane2k9 (2008-11-08 08:59:12)

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God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6648|tropical regions of london
the only thing mandatory about this is if a person wants to get college tuition credits.  ignorants.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Poseidon wrote:

If my parents getting a tax credit to help pay for college (especially since ERAU isn't exactly cheap) is considered socialism to you, bring it on.

And what's wrong with mandated community service? Many, MANY schools including mine have it. I've got about 15/25 hours down currently.

Have you seen the way most teenagers are today? They're fucking lazy. And you think this is a bad thing?

People play into the Palin rhetoric way too much.
...and if Palin had proposed something like this, the Republicans would eat it up.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6823|Montucky
Hopefully I get credit for the 52560 Hours of Federal Service.

Volunteer EMT - 152 hours of training, not counting the endless amounts of runs I've been on.

Volunteer Firefighter - 190 hours of training, not counting the endless fires and accidents I've been on.


Yeah I think I volunteer enough.

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