Nope, but we sure as hell are THERE NOW aren't we? Israel has proven time and time again, fuck with them, and they will take away your toys.CameronPoe wrote:
They aren't - they're building homes on the land - not military installations or defensive structures. Or are you telling me by your rationale that because Osama Bin Laden, who targetted America, hails from Afghanistan America can annex it and start colonising it...lowing wrote:
Tell that the areas in question are not areas that were used previously, to target Israeli positions.
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| China | 12% | 12% - 15 | ||||
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| America (Because Not Much Will Change) | 39% | 39% - 48 | ||||
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And Israel is also one of the most hated countries in the world. If we followed their example, we would probably have had a few 9/11's by now from having so many more enemies.lowing wrote:
Nope, but we sure as hell are THERE NOW aren't we? Israel has proven time and time again, fuck with them, and they will take away your toys.CameronPoe wrote:
They aren't - they're building homes on the land - not military installations or defensive structures. Or are you telling me by your rationale that because Osama Bin Laden, who targetted America, hails from Afghanistan America can annex it and start colonising it...lowing wrote:
Tell that the areas in question are not areas that were used previously, to target Israeli positions.
Tell me Turquoise, what could Israel do to be loved by the world except to spontaneously combust. I am sure Israel is done giving a fuck about what it aggressive stone age neighbors think since ther ewill never be any pleasing them or peace short of Israel destruction..Turquoise wrote:
And Israel is also one of the most hated countries in the world. If we followed their example, we would probably have had a few 9/11's by now from having so many more enemies.lowing wrote:
Nope, but we sure as hell are THERE NOW aren't we? Israel has proven time and time again, fuck with them, and they will take away your toys.CameronPoe wrote:
They aren't - they're building homes on the land - not military installations or defensive structures. Or are you telling me by your rationale that because Osama Bin Laden, who targetted America, hails from Afghanistan America can annex it and start colonising it...
I can understand Israel's military needs - hence why I agreed with the US destorying Al Aqeda bases in Afghanistan - but the 'take away your toys' comment is pure lowing. 'Toys' = houses, farms, businesses, transport, livelihood, aquifers, etc. I'm pretty sure, as most would be, that it's a violation of basic human rights laws. The Jewish human rights group B'Tselem contends as much.lowing wrote:
Nope, but we sure as hell are THERE NOW aren't we? Israel has proven time and time again, fuck with them, and they will take away your toys.
When we act, we'll be called a bully. When we fail to act, we'll be mocked as weak. No president can enduringly please foreign powers and populations.
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To be fair, I think the Palestinians have given up on peace as well.lowing wrote:
Tell me Turquoise, what could Israel do to be loved by the world except to spontaneously combust. I am sure Israel is done giving a fuck about what it aggressive stone age neighbors think since ther ewill never be any pleasing them or peace short of Israel destruction..Turquoise wrote:
And Israel is also one of the most hated countries in the world. If we followed their example, we would probably have had a few 9/11's by now from having so many more enemies.lowing wrote:
Nope, but we sure as hell are THERE NOW aren't we? Israel has proven time and time again, fuck with them, and they will take away your toys.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it if they all just killed each other and spared the rest of the world their bullshit. Fuck Palestine AND Israel.
I reckon the Gazans want to shoot up the West Bank and vice versa, but Israel just happened to be in the middle. Even if you gave them a bigger place to live they'd still complain and blow stuff up and complain and fire rockets and complain and wonder why they're kept under constant security watch.Turquoise wrote:
To be fair, I think the Palestinians have given up on peace as well.lowing wrote:
Tell me Turquoise, what could Israel do to be loved by the world except to spontaneously combust. I am sure Israel is done giving a fuck about what it aggressive stone age neighbors think since ther ewill never be any pleasing them or peace short of Israel destruction..Turquoise wrote:
And Israel is also one of the most hated countries in the world. If we followed their example, we would probably have had a few 9/11's by now from having so many more enemies.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it if they all just killed each other and spared the rest of the world their bullshit. Fuck Palestine AND Israel.
Well, just remember that the reason why peace talks failed back in the 90s is because a Zionist killed Rabin. It wasn't a Palestinian that ruined that deal.M.O.A.B wrote:
I reckon the Gazans want to shoot up the West Bank and vice versa, but Israel just happened to be in the middle. Even if you gave them a bigger place to live they'd still complain and blow stuff up and complain and fire rockets and complain and wonder why they're kept under constant security watch.Turquoise wrote:
To be fair, I think the Palestinians have given up on peace as well.lowing wrote:
Tell me Turquoise, what could Israel do to be loved by the world except to spontaneously combust. I am sure Israel is done giving a fuck about what it aggressive stone age neighbors think since ther ewill never be any pleasing them or peace short of Israel destruction..
Personally, I wouldn't mind it if they all just killed each other and spared the rest of the world their bullshit. Fuck Palestine AND Israel.
Yeah but they have a bad habit of doing it the most, and also welcoming back some murderers as heros and basically not honouring anything put forward by lobbing a few rockets over the border.Turquoise wrote:
Well, just remember that the reason why peace talks failed back in the 90s is because a Zionist killed Rabin. It wasn't a Palestinian that ruined that deal.M.O.A.B wrote:
I reckon the Gazans want to shoot up the West Bank and vice versa, but Israel just happened to be in the middle. Even if you gave them a bigger place to live they'd still complain and blow stuff up and complain and fire rockets and complain and wonder why they're kept under constant security watch.Turquoise wrote:
To be fair, I think the Palestinians have given up on peace as well.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it if they all just killed each other and spared the rest of the world their bullshit. Fuck Palestine AND Israel.
True... and I stand by what I said earlier. The world would probably be a much better place if a giant meteor landed on Israel and Palestine.M.O.A.B wrote:
Yeah but they have a bad habit of doing it the most, and also welcoming back some murderers as heros and basically not honouring anything put forward by lobbing a few rockets over the border.Turquoise wrote:
Well, just remember that the reason why peace talks failed back in the 90s is because a Zionist killed Rabin. It wasn't a Palestinian that ruined that deal.M.O.A.B wrote:
I reckon the Gazans want to shoot up the West Bank and vice versa, but Israel just happened to be in the middle. Even if you gave them a bigger place to live they'd still complain and blow stuff up and complain and fire rockets and complain and wonder why they're kept under constant security watch.
Nope "toys" equals the ability to wage war or terrorism against Israel. Perhaps it has come down to the fact that its nieghbors have been so agressive and so persistant on destroying or terrorizing Israel that Israel has to go for the throat.CameronPoe wrote:
I can understand Israel's military needs - hence why I agreed with the US destorying Al Aqeda bases in Afghanistan - but the 'take away your toys' comment is pure lowing. 'Toys' = houses, farms, businesses, transport, livelihood, aquifers, etc. I'm pretty sure, as most would be, that it's a violation of basic human rights laws. The Jewish human rights group B'Tselem contends as much.lowing wrote:
Nope, but we sure as hell are THERE NOW aren't we? Israel has proven time and time again, fuck with them, and they will take away your toys.
Tell me Cam, what do think Israel would do if ever its nieghbors just left them the fuck alone. Do you think Israel would in turn leave them alone or do you think it would see it as a sign of weakness and move in for the kill?
Yeah!! Fuck the Irish!!Mekstizzle wrote:
Ireland (Southern Ireland)
Northern Ireland too
screw youMekstizzle wrote:
Ireland (Southern Ireland)
Northern Ireland too
everyone loves the irish bar the brits
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So houses, farms and civilian property amount to 'the ability to wage war or terrorism against Israel'. I hope you never get a military command Mr. Lowing - because if you did America might find itself charged with war crimes and breach of the Geneva Convention. Apparently Israeli civilians are more entitled to rights than Palestinians. The double standard is clear.lowing wrote:
Nope "toys" equals the ability to wage war or terrorism against Israel. Perhaps it has come down to the fact that its nieghbors have been so agressive and so persistant on destroying or terrorizing Israel that Israel has to go for the throat.
Tell me Cam, what do think Israel would do if ever its nieghbors just left them the fuck alone. Do you think Israel would in turn leave them alone or do you think it would see it as a sign of weakness and move in for the kill?
What Israel would do would be to colonise the West Bank - the nascent state of Palestine - in accordance with the overtly and openly stated will of the Zionists. It's quite simple really. Ceasing resistance would just spur them on ever more. God said it was ok in a book remember?
“Everybody has to move; run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements, because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them.”
Ariel 'Braindead' Sharon
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I like your ciderhenno13 wrote:
screw youMekstizzle wrote:
Ireland (Southern Ireland)
Northern Ireland too
everyone loves the irish bar the brits
Farms houses and civilian property used as shelter and shields and cover in which to launch attacks Cam. Lets be fair, it is Hamas and Hezbollah that fully utilize their OWN civilians as shields from which they launch attacks. I doubt a farmhouse or any other civilan property is off limits and immoral for them to use in such capacities. Get realCameronPoe wrote:
So houses, farms and civilian property amount to 'the ability to wage war or terrorism against Israel'. I hope you never get a military command Mr. Lowing - because if you did America might find itself charged with war crimes and breach of the Geneva Convention. Apparently Israeli civilians are more entitled to rights than Palestinians. The double standard is clear.lowing wrote:
Nope "toys" equals the ability to wage war or terrorism against Israel. Perhaps it has come down to the fact that its nieghbors have been so agressive and so persistant on destroying or terrorizing Israel that Israel has to go for the throat.
Tell me Cam, what do think Israel would do if ever its nieghbors just left them the fuck alone. Do you think Israel would in turn leave them alone or do you think it would see it as a sign of weakness and move in for the kill?
What Israel would do would be to colonise the West Bank - the nascent state of Palestine - in accordance with the overtly and openly stated will of the Zionists. It's quite simple really. Ceasing resistance would just spur them on ever more. God said it was ok in a book remember?
“Everybody has to move; run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements, because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them.”
Ariel 'Braindead' Sharon
Ah I see you condone collective punishment. Next time your second cousin gets caught throwing stones at somebody I'll be sure to bulldoze your house.... With your rationale why didn't the US not just carpet bomb Iraq into oblivion? Perhaps a nuke or two? The US strives to fight as humanely as possible in asymmetric warfare but it seems Israel gets a pass from lowing.... You're quite UnAmerican.lowing wrote:
Farms houses and civilian property used as shelter and shields and cover in which to launch attacks Cam. Lets be fair, it is Hamas and Hezbollah that fully utilize their OWN civilians as shields from which they launch attacks. I doubt a farmhouse or any other civilan property is off limits and immoral for them to use in such capacities. Get real
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Nope I do not, but on the other hand what choice does Israel have? They either pound the site to dust to protect themselves, or leave it alone and let the attacks continue.CameronPoe wrote:
Ah I see you condone collective punishment. Next time your second cousin gets caught throwing stones at somebody I'll be sure to bulldoze your house.... With your rationale why didn't the US not just carpet bomb Iraq into oblivion? Perhaps a nuke or two?lowing wrote:
Farms houses and civilian property used as shelter and shields and cover in which to launch attacks Cam. Lets be fair, it is Hamas and Hezbollah that fully utilize their OWN civilians as shields from which they launch attacks. I doubt a farmhouse or any other civilan property is off limits and immoral for them to use in such capacities. Get real
At least you are not denying my argument I see.
Did the topic shift without me realising, damn you caught me. The original thrust of what I was talking about was land theft, wanton property destruction (i.e., to no military benefit) and illegal settlement - which has nothing to what you've managed to morph the conversation into. I must be more vigilant in future. Pounding an enemy location into the ground does no equal bulldozing some granny's house and building an apartment block on it, last I checked anyway.lowing wrote:
Nope I do not, but on the other hand what choice does Israel have? They either pound the site to dust to protect themselves, or leave it alone and let the attacks continue.CameronPoe wrote:
Ah I see you condone collective punishment. Next time your second cousin gets caught throwing stones at somebody I'll be sure to bulldoze your house.... With your rationale why didn't the US not just carpet bomb Iraq into oblivion? Perhaps a nuke or two?lowing wrote:
Farms houses and civilian property used as shelter and shields and cover in which to launch attacks Cam. Lets be fair, it is Hamas and Hezbollah that fully utilize their OWN civilians as shields from which they launch attacks. I doubt a farmhouse or any other civilan property is off limits and immoral for them to use in such capacities. Get real
At least you are not denying my argument I see.
I have no qualms with hitting a military target ftr.
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What about an apartment building used to launch missiles from? In warfare you can't avoid attacking your enemy because of things like that otherwise they'd never end.CameronPoe wrote:
I have no qualms with hitting a military target ftr.
The Brits were no angels in Northern Ireland but they never resorted to blowing up apartment blocks to get specific targets... how do you think the political climate in the North would be right now if they had?M.O.A.B wrote:
What about an apartment building used to launch missiles from? In warfare you can't avoid attacking your enemy because of things like that otherwise they'd never end.CameronPoe wrote:
I have no qualms with hitting a military target ftr.
I have no qualms with that. I do have qualms with building walls across territory that doesn't belong to you, building civilian settlements on property that doesn't belong to you, bulldozing the homes of people who haven't even done anything against you and wanton destruction of farms and olive groves...M.O.A.B wrote:
What about an apartment building used to launch missiles from? In warfare you can't avoid attacking your enemy because of things like that otherwise they'd never end.CameronPoe wrote:
I have no qualms with hitting a military target ftr.
I've never seen any apartment buildings actually being levelled, only hit by missiles or tank fire in order to destroy the launchers. If the Israelis blew up every building used to launch rockets from there'd be nothing left standing.Braddock wrote:
The Brits were no angels in Northern Ireland but they never resorted to blowing up apartment blocks to get specific targets... how do you think the political climate in the North would be right now if they had?M.O.A.B wrote:
What about an apartment building used to launch missiles from? In warfare you can't avoid attacking your enemy because of things like that otherwise they'd never end.CameronPoe wrote:
I have no qualms with hitting a military target ftr.
NI wasn't like Palestine, in NI they weren't bouncing rockets over the border day after day after day in an effort to wipe out the north.
Northern Ireland was actually very like Palestine in many ways... hence why there are so many "Support For Palestine" murals up everywhere in the North. The IRA stashed many of their weapons in safe houses in civilian areas, ran command centres in specially adapted apartment blocks and launched both mortar attacks and radio-controlled bomb attacks on both security and infrastructural targets.M.O.A.B wrote:
I've never seen any apartment buildings actually being levelled, only hit by missiles or tank fire in order to destroy the launchers. If the Israelis blew up every building used to launch rockets from there'd be nothing left standing.Braddock wrote:
The Brits were no angels in Northern Ireland but they never resorted to blowing up apartment blocks to get specific targets... how do you think the political climate in the North would be right now if they had?M.O.A.B wrote:
What about an apartment building used to launch missiles from? In warfare you can't avoid attacking your enemy because of things like that otherwise they'd never end.
NI wasn't like Palestine, in NI they weren't bouncing rockets over the border day after day after day in an effort to wipe out the north.
The similarity is also seen in how "peace lines" (read as "big fucking walls") were constructed to segregate communities and in how the initial problems themselves arose when people from another part of the world settled in a land already inhabited by an indigenous population.
Yes but the IRA was/is more organised than Hamas and they IRA didn't persistently attack civilians as Hamas does, although they set off bombs in shopping centres and so on. But then again, the Palestinians aren't the indigenous people of that region. The number of attacks Hamas carries out is probably several times more than anything the IRA did and they don't really go for a specific target, they pick a general large populated area and shoot the missile at it in the hope they'll hit something with a lot of people, military or civilian inside it.Braddock wrote:
Northern Ireland was actually very like Palestine in many ways... hence why there are so many "Support For Palestine" murals up everywhere in the North. The IRA stashed many of their weapons in safe houses in civilian areas, ran command centres in specially adapted apartment blocks and launched both mortar attacks and radio-controlled bomb attacks on both security and infrastructural targets.M.O.A.B wrote:
I've never seen any apartment buildings actually being levelled, only hit by missiles or tank fire in order to destroy the launchers. If the Israelis blew up every building used to launch rockets from there'd be nothing left standing.Braddock wrote:
The Brits were no angels in Northern Ireland but they never resorted to blowing up apartment blocks to get specific targets... how do you think the political climate in the North would be right now if they had?
NI wasn't like Palestine, in NI they weren't bouncing rockets over the border day after day after day in an effort to wipe out the north.
The similarity is also seen in how "peace lines" (read as "big fucking walls") were constructed to segregate communities and in how the initial problems themselves arose when people from another part of the world settled in a land already inhabited by an indigenous population.