After watching the Obama victory I was very disappointed and proud at the same time. Disappointed that a socialist is now our president, but I could not help but feel proud of the great strides our country has made in equality and opportunity with the election of our first black president. It is a sad and great day.
He's gunna pay off my mortgage with some of that socialist money. I'm happy.
Liberal and socialist are not the same than communist, you know. This guy will take your taxes and he won't waste them on a WOT, he will fix domestic problems that were missed by GWB. Feel glad he won.
Really? Tell me again how him taking money away from someone who earned it and giving it to someone else who didn't earn it is not wasting MY money?sergeriver wrote:
Liberal and socialist are not the same than communist, you know. This guy will take your taxes and he won't waste them on a WOT, he will fix domestic problems that were missed by GWB. Feel glad he won.
Wanna fix roads, schools, hospitals, fire dept. police etc, no sweat, it is what taxes are for. Wanna take my money for no other reason than because you found someone who you think wants it more than I do? Yeah I got a problem.
Obama is a socialist, he is the most liberal politician in Washington, now he will go unchallanged with his socialist agenda.
What, and Dennis Kucinich doesn't exist?he is the most liberal politician in Washington
I still think the claim that he is somehow 'socialist' is preposterous. Both the candidates are basically centrists.
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
bla bla bla.lowing wrote:
Obama is a socialist, he is the most liberal politician in Washington, now he will go unchallanged with his socialist agenda.
Like I said before 'Congratulations America'. American democracy today proved that anything is possible. From four or five decades ago where black people had to drink from their own designated fountains and sit in their assigned section of the bus to the election of a black president. It offers hope not just in America, but to everybody.
Lowing you need to research about Socialism in Europe. It works. And he will fix roads, schools, hospitals, fire dept., police, etc, and besides he'll help those who couldn't make the American dream, not because of lazyness, or lack of responsibility like you like to call that. You can do all that with your money, or you can invade a country for oil.lowing wrote:
Really? Tell me again how him taking money away from someone who earned it and giving it to someone else who didn't earn it is not wasting MY money?sergeriver wrote:
Liberal and socialist are not the same than communist, you know. This guy will take your taxes and he won't waste them on a WOT, he will fix domestic problems that were missed by GWB. Feel glad he won.
Wanna fix roads, schools, hospitals, fire dept. police etc, no sweat, it is what taxes are for. Wanna take my money for no other reason than because you found someone who you think wants it more than I do? Yeah I got a problem.
Obama is a socialist, he is the most liberal politician in Washington, now he will go unchallanged with his socialist agenda.
yeah, ok and just exactly how many centrists have you heard come right and say that he plans to "spread the wealth around"? You d oknow that it is the rich's wealth he is talking about right? Ya know the rich, the people who create jobs for the rest of us?Spark wrote:
What, and Dennis Kucinich doesn't exist?he is the most liberal politician in Washington
I still think the claim that he is somehow 'socialist' is preposterous. Both the candidates are basically centrists.
It all depends on the meaning of the word is, I mean socialist.Spark wrote:
What, and Dennis Kucinich doesn't exist?he is the most liberal politician in Washington
I still think the claim that he is somehow 'socialist' is preposterous. Both the candidates are basically centrists.
Spreading the wealth around is not socialism...lowing wrote:
yeah, ok and just exactly how many centrists have you heard come right and say that he plans to "spread the wealth around"? You d oknow that it is the rich's wealth he is talking about right? Ya know the rich, the people who create jobs for the rest of us?Spark wrote:
What, and Dennis Kucinich doesn't exist?he is the most liberal politician in Washington
I still think the claim that he is somehow 'socialist' is preposterous. Both the candidates are basically centrists.
That's called social liberalism, very different. Socalism is where you nationalize institutions like banks, factories etc. (there are strains of socialism that advocate 'collective' ownership - i.e. union ownership - rather than state, but they're not very common)
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Don't look now Serge, we ain't in Europe.sergeriver wrote:
Lowing you need to research about Socialism in Europe. It works. And he will fix roads, schools, hospitals, fire dept., police, etc, and besides he'll help those who couldn't make the American dream, not because of lazyness, or lack of responsibility like you like to call that. You can do all that with your money, or you can invade a country for oil.lowing wrote:
Really? Tell me again how him taking money away from someone who earned it and giving it to someone else who didn't earn it is not wasting MY money?sergeriver wrote:
Liberal and socialist are not the same than communist, you know. This guy will take your taxes and he won't waste them on a WOT, he will fix domestic problems that were missed by GWB. Feel glad he won.
Wanna fix roads, schools, hospitals, fire dept. police etc, no sweat, it is what taxes are for. Wanna take my money for no other reason than because you found someone who you think wants it more than I do? Yeah I got a problem.
Obama is a socialist, he is the most liberal politician in Washington, now he will go unchallanged with his socialist agenda.
Are you still thinking that a persons ambition drive motivation determination has nothing to do with their success? Of I forgot, as a liberal you use "real world" terminology, like "hope", "luck", "karma" amd destiny.
That's the old concept. Moderm Socialism works well in Europe. Did you hear of Social Capitalism?Spark wrote:
Spreading the wealth around is not socialism...lowing wrote:
yeah, ok and just exactly how many centrists have you heard come right and say that he plans to "spread the wealth around"? You d oknow that it is the rich's wealth he is talking about right? Ya know the rich, the people who create jobs for the rest of us?Spark wrote:
What, and Dennis Kucinich doesn't exist?
I still think the claim that he is somehow 'socialist' is preposterous. Both the candidates are basically centrists.
That's called social liberalism, very different. Socalism is where you nationalize institutions like banks, factories etc.
This I wholeheartledly agree withCameronPoe wrote:
Like I said before 'Congratulations America'. American democracy today proved that anything is possible. From four or five decades ago where black people had to drink from their own designated fountains and sit in their assigned section of the bus to the election of a black president. It offers hope not just in America, but to everybody.
I'm expecting to with the lottery any day now. So of course I voted for John McCain. He will protect my wealth so that I may create jobs for all the useless little people.
Trickle down economics FTW.
Trickle down economics FTW.
I though about it also... it has to be absolutely amazing for african americans that he won... it's kind of a vindication or acceptance that they must feel... I don't agree on much that Obama want's to do but i will give him the benefit of the doubt for awhile... prove me wrong OB...
and i hope that african americans and any other group that feels disenfranchised decides to get in the game and believe that with hard work and sweat... anything is possible...
and i hope that african americans and any other group that feels disenfranchised decides to get in the game and believe that with hard work and sweat... anything is possible...
Love is the answer
Where the fuck did I say it has nothing to do? You confuse me. Sometimes I can't tell if you're joking or not, but seriously dude, stop crying. The man won't take your home away and bring a family of aliens in. It doesn't work this way. Give him the opportunity to prove you wrong. I'm sure he can do that easily, lol.lowing wrote:
Don't look now Serge, we ain't in Europe.sergeriver wrote:
Lowing you need to research about Socialism in Europe. It works. And he will fix roads, schools, hospitals, fire dept., police, etc, and besides he'll help those who couldn't make the American dream, not because of lazyness, or lack of responsibility like you like to call that. You can do all that with your money, or you can invade a country for oil.lowing wrote:
Really? Tell me again how him taking money away from someone who earned it and giving it to someone else who didn't earn it is not wasting MY money?
Wanna fix roads, schools, hospitals, fire dept. police etc, no sweat, it is what taxes are for. Wanna take my money for no other reason than because you found someone who you think wants it more than I do? Yeah I got a problem.
Obama is a socialist, he is the most liberal politician in Washington, now he will go unchallanged with his socialist agenda.
Are you still thinking that a persons ambition drive motivation determination has nothing to do with their success? Of I forgot, as a liberal you use "real world" terminology, like "hope", "luck", "karma" amd destiny.
you forgot "corporate welfare". oh yeah, that's a conservative thing.lowing wrote:
Don't look now Serge, we ain't in Europe.
Are you still thinking that a persons ambition drive motivation determination has nothing to do with their success? Of I forgot, as a liberal you use "real world" terminology, like "hope", "luck", "karma" amd destiny.
yup and a little help from Oprah never hurt anyone![TUF]Catbox wrote:
I though about it also... it has to be absolutely amazing for african americans that he won... it's kind of a vindication or acceptance that they must feel... I don't agree on much that Obama want's to do but i will give him the benefit of the doubt for awhile... prove me wrong OB...
and i hope that african americans and any other group that feels disenfranchised decides to get in the game and believe that with hard work and sweat... anything is possible...
Are you suggesting black people don't like hard work or anything?[TUF]Catbox wrote:
and i hope that african americans and any other group that feels disenfranchised decides to get in the game and believe that with hard work and sweat... anything is possible...
http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.co … or-my-gas/Reciprocity wrote:
He's gunna pay off my mortgage with some of that socialist money. I'm happy.
sorry for this but I told ya so
yeah, you don't wanna forget poor little Oprah, and that deadbeat Warren Buffett.lowing wrote:
yup and a little help from Oprah never hurt anyone![TUF]Catbox wrote:
I though about it also... it has to be absolutely amazing for african americans that he won... it's kind of a vindication or acceptance that they must feel... I don't agree on much that Obama want's to do but i will give him the benefit of the doubt for awhile... prove me wrong OB...
and i hope that african americans and any other group that feels disenfranchised decides to get in the game and believe that with hard work and sweat... anything is possible...
yes lowing, we're all familiar with the crazy black lady.lowing wrote:
http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.co … or-my-gas/Reciprocity wrote:
He's gunna pay off my mortgage with some of that socialist money. I'm happy.
sorry for this but I told ya so
she's almost as good as that crazy white lady. He's an arab!?!
I am sorry, Warren Buffet is not a celebrity influencing millions of people to bow to his wishes. Oprah is. Oprah says read this book and over night it is a best seller. oprah says elect this president and presto!Reciprocity wrote:
yeah, you don't wanna forget poor little Oprah, and that deadbeat Warren Buffett.lowing wrote:
yup and a little help from Oprah never hurt anyone![TUF]Catbox wrote:
I though about it also... it has to be absolutely amazing for african americans that he won... it's kind of a vindication or acceptance that they must feel... I don't agree on much that Obama want's to do but i will give him the benefit of the doubt for awhile... prove me wrong OB...
and i hope that african americans and any other group that feels disenfranchised decides to get in the game and believe that with hard work and sweat... anything is possible...
You need to read up on how socialism is applied into politics today Spark ...
... and lowing ... how is the rich creating jobs in America today ? ... by downsizing their businesses and moving out of the country ? ... they are not creating more jobs inside the US as you seem to think ... the greed you display is what made this situation you now face, infact what we all face because of die hard capitalism going on unregulated ...
... and lowing ... how is the rich creating jobs in America today ? ... by downsizing their businesses and moving out of the country ? ... they are not creating more jobs inside the US as you seem to think ... the greed you display is what made this situation you now face, infact what we all face because of die hard capitalism going on unregulated ...
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