In my opinion, what has to happen is the level of public AND private debt has to come waaay waaaay down.
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Barely so much as a smidgen, and if you take out Israel its less than that.FEOS wrote:
No. They don't. They spend it on people in other countries.
Of course war spending is pretty high, I guess Obama can just cut that.
Fuck Israel
Like China?FEOS wrote:
No. They don't. They spend it on people in other countries.TheAussieReaper wrote:
yeah, and it's not like the Govt. even spends it on you, they just horde it away like.... oh wait. They do spend it on you.
Spreading the wealth.
No, you have a huge debt with China. The Chinese government is spending money on people in different countries.
A "smidgen"? What color is the sky on your world?Dilbert_X wrote:
Barely so much as a smidgen, and if you take out Israel its less than that.FEOS wrote:
No. They don't. They spend it on people in other countries.
Of course war spending is pretty high, I guess Obama can just cut that.
We're spending the money China loans us in other countries...China isn't. So yeah...we are.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Like China?
No, you have a huge debt with China. The Chinese government is spending money on people in different countries.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Been through this before. I do not get paid by the govt. Does my company do govt. contracts? Yup as well as private ones. I am guessing you are willing to include every single person that works for an aircraft manufacturers and ALL of the subcontractors, car manufacturer, furniture manufacturer, clothing manufacturer, steel manufacturer, cement manufacturer, police, fire dept. postal employees, gun manufacturers, ammo manufacturers, construction companies, road construction companies, power companies, water companies, everyone that works for the EPA, OSHA, I am sure I left someone out, but as you can see their are a lot of companies and people that work for companies, that subcontract for companies etc that have ties to the govt.topal63 wrote:
Any argument or commentary about liberals and socialism coming from a certified socialist beneficiary is comical - to say the least. Yeah that'd be you lowing. You are a beneficiary of socialism. Every government program, every social program, all spending; every government contract awarded is a monetary measure of just how much socialism we already have in America. It's at least 43%-55% depending on how you look at the numbers.
You and I know - that it is a fact - that your job is the direct result of a government contract. That your job is dependent upon the collection of taxes and the "redistribution of wealth" into funds that result in the salary you receive. Or am I incorrect? And, you've quit your job and have taken one in the private not-socialism sector?
If your intent is to try to insult me, it ain't workin' and never will. What I do has contributed directly to saving American lives. At least 6 men that will go home to their wives and kids. I am proud of that. What have you done today? The fact that you are trying to use this as a defense to Obama and his Karl Marx ideology shows desperation on your part.
so you are saying that lowing WORKS(emphasis on providing a service in exchange for a fair amount of pay) for the govt or a govt contract...lowing wrote:
Been through this before. I do not get paid by the govt. Does my company do govt. contracts? Yup as well as private ones. I am guessing you are willing to include every single person that works for an aircraft manufacturers and ALL of the subcontractors, car manufacturer, furniture manufacturer, clothing manufacturer, steel manufacturer, cement manufacturer, police, fire dept. postal employees, gun manufacturers, ammo manufacturers, construction companies, road construction companies, power companies, water companies, everyone that works for the EPA, OSHA, I am sure I left someone out, but as you can see their are a lot of companies and people that work for companies, that subcontract for companies etc that have ties to the govt.topal63 wrote:
Any argument or commentary about liberals and socialism coming from a certified socialist beneficiary is comical - to say the least. Yeah that'd be you lowing. You are a beneficiary of socialism. Every government program, every social program, all spending; every government contract awarded is a monetary measure of just how much socialism we already have in America. It's at least 43%-55% depending on how you look at the numbers.
You and I know - that it is a fact - that your job is the direct result of a government contract. That your job is dependent upon the collection of taxes and the "redistribution of wealth" into funds that result in the salary you receive. Or am I incorrect? And, you've quit your job and have taken one in the private not-socialism sector?
If your intent is to try to insult me, it ain't workin' and never will. What I do has contributed directly to saving American lives. At least 6 men that will go home to their wives and kids. I am proud of that. What have you done today? The fact that you are trying to use this as a defense to Obama and his Karl Marx ideology shows desperation on your part.
That it's the same as the govt sending you money because you are deemed poor by them? lol
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1. Oh I see, so enlighten me then, tell me how the debt laiden American citizen wh owill not pay their bills has nothing to do with what has happened.CameronPoe wrote:
Head in the sand. Pure unadulterated wanton ignorance.lowing wrote:
1. More Cam superiority complex in play. Cam when people do not pay their debt, the companies OWED the money do not GET the money. The money those companies were promised was used for other transactions that in turn fell through because the original money was never collected.You didn't give a fuck but then you chose to talk about it is some sort of diversionary tactic vis a vis the topic at hand?lowing wrote:
2. Again you seem to have skipped the part where I said I did not give a fuck about the global economy. Selective memory perhaps.I think you'll find I have several times. Does your brain reset upon the commencement of every new thread?lowing wrote:
3. Yeah I got a question, Why, if you agree with it, have you never stated it, Since I have stated countless times that these are the people I do not want to drag through society?I find it difficult to imagine why the most right wing country in the world would have a political 'left' that is harder left than anything you might find in socialist Europe. If you must persist with your delusions then so be it - it seems that more than half ot the American voting public are 'communist', eh? Tuesday will tell I guess. Oh yeah and keep up the job reliant on government contracts...lowing wrote:
4. No again Cam, I am speaking of the AMERICAN liberal. Please remember that. I could not give 2 flying fucks how much you spend to support those that refuse to support themselves. In America, the democrats want the people dependant on govt. for everything. That keeps them in power. Or do you honestly truly believe our democratic congress is just full of filthy rich compassionate people that only want what is best for the people?
2. No Cam, I did not, I was proving a point when you were so disgusted that I said I did not give a shit about anyone else and their problems outside of my family I simply asked how much you cared yourself about my problems and you did not care. This is the end of portion of the discussion.
3. Nope not one bit. However you seem to think that I do not think govt. should help out anyone at all, eve nthough I have continuously stated my support for helpin those that can not help themselves, handicapped, children etc....
4. D oyoufind it difficult to imagine that Obama will be elected because he is black, and not because of the issues? Do you find it difficult to beleive that those that for him are doing so because they think a brother in the white house will save them and shower them with their s orichly deserved entitlement? It is not a delusion, what is at play is denial.
Stated several times, taxes are essential to run a govt. Obama wants to tax for not for running the govt. but for redistribution to others to be neighborly, nice and spread the wealth". Sorry that is un-American.dayarath wrote:
well taxing people is essentially taking away the money they earn to put it into other projects, like a healthcare system for everyone (which america is lacking on, it's a point of criticism really - here in europe it's already wide spread, works, and is beneficial for almost everyone in the entire population.)lowing wrote:
so you have no problem taking money from those that work to earn it, NOT for the functions of govt. but to simply give it away to someone else that the GOVT. feels deserves your money more than you do? Wow, I am guessing you are on the recieving end of that deal.dayarath wrote:
me being european I'd probably be having a huge bias on the american elections, but 'spreading the wealth' doesn't seem like such a bad idea as it's been going pretty ok over here.
not that Obama is all that nice, he promises way too much, undoubtfully atleast 70% of what he says won't be happening in his first term.
Not that I like McCain, on the contrary (but again, I'm biased)
this whole crisis started with the banks proposing redicoules loans and stupid people accepting them.
No, I don't feel taxing people to death is a good deal but come on, in america you're -far from- being taxed to death, and alot of the things that we have here aren't available in america, there's stuff that needs improvement you know.
Anyway, not all about america is bad, take for example your attitude to having a job in general, it seems a lot better there than over here and you don't get the problem of lazy low lives leeching off the system.
Besides, as I said I have a bias, you have a bias too. I grew up in a country which already had social healthcare etc etc etc, as you grew up in a country without.
No, I'm not on the receiving end sorry to disappoint.
Fed lowers interest rates making money cheaper than it should be in order to maintain a sustainable level of economic growth. Complex financial instruments are created that hid debt - the ultimate impact of this is unnoticed by regulators ensuring that when the shit hits the fan it hits the fan about a million times harder than it might have done. Banks trade these instruments that all have a AAA rating stamped on them by incompetent companies like Standard & Poor. The cumulative effect of all these fuckups is that the inevitable financial crisis puts thousands of people out of business, hundreds of thousands of people out of paid employment and consequently unable to pay debts and mortgages they were ordinarily more than capable of paying off. All because of shit that happened on Wall St. and stupid government policy that incentivised lending to people that would not be able to pay their debts.lowing wrote:
1. Oh I see, so enlighten me then, tell me how the debt laiden American citizen wh owill not pay their bills has nothing to do with what has happened.
I was disgusted you didn't give a shit about your fellow hard working countrymen. I didn't care about whether you cared for people in other countries. Hence the irrelevance of your comments.lowing wrote:
2. No Cam, I did not, I was proving a point when you were so disgusted that I said I did not give a shit about anyone else and their problems outside of my family I simply asked how much you cared yourself about my problems and you did not care. This is the end of portion of the discussion.
Just not people who have lost their jobs because of Wall St. shit that will persist for at least 3 years and by most estimates 5 to 10 years.lowing wrote:
3. Nope not one bit. However you seem to think that I do not think govt. should help out anyone at all, eve nthough I have continuously stated my support for helpin those that can not help themselves, handicapped, children etc....
I'm pretty sure 51% of America doesn't have dark skin or live in ghettos... The kind of people you claim to be complaining about amount to a maximum of about 4.4% (the level of unemployment in USA). In fact, seen as you have to bring your racism into it again, I can tell you that the level of unemployment among African-Americans is 9.2%. So a tenth of a minority grouping within the US is the basis for much of your ire. What a petty man.lowing wrote:
4. D oyoufind it difficult to imagine that Obama will be elected because he is black, and not because of the issues? Do you find it difficult to beleive that those that for him are doing so because they think a brother in the white house will save them and shower them with their s orichly deserved entitlement? It is not a delusion, what is at play is denial.
Are you scared you might lose your job because Obama won't bother invading any new countries or something? No goverment contracts makes lowing a sad boy?
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Okay, if you can't see the writing on the wall and do something to keep your job, who is to blame? There is a slowdown in my work right now. It is cyclical, it happens. We may come to a time when up to 25% of our employees may get cut loose. So, what am I doing? I am working my tail off, to be very sure that when they start picking names of who they can do without, my name gets firmly put in the "keep" catagory. I am also back in school, getting a better education to get a better paying job with more ability for advancement.CameronPoe wrote:
Just not people who have lost their jobs because of Wall St. shit that will persist for at least 3 years and by most estimates 5 to 10 years.lowing wrote:
3. Nope not one bit. However you seem to think that I do not think govt. should help out anyone at all, eve nthough I have continuously stated my support for helpin those that can not help themselves, handicapped, children etc....
The very sad fact is that some people are more deserving of help than others. Some people will take the help you give, and build themselves a life, improving the quality of life for themselves and their families. Other people will take the help you give them, spend and squander it to no great effect, then hold out their hand and ask for more. Now, if I can only help one of those people, who do you think I would prefer to help? Or should I bankrupt myself in trying to help both, when one of them will be nothing but a constant drain on me, and may even endanger my own stability?
Soo when we all are well educated and have started buisnesses and makes a load of cash......who then will pick the cotton for your brand new suite Lowing??
Give US Your Poor...bla bla bla bla soo they can earn us moore money....
Give US Your Poor...bla bla bla bla soo they can earn us moore money....
There have always been neverending ways of 'foreigners' that lap upon our shores and threaten our ways of life. And they are ridiculed and pushed down... until the next wave comes and then they are accepted in order to ridicule to newest wave. It happend with the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, Hatians... the list goes on. It seems a group can only move up if there is another group to assume 'bottom-rung' status.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Soo when we all are well educated and have started buisnesses and makes a load of cash......who then will pick the cotton for your brand new suite Lowing??
Give US Your Poor...bla bla bla bla soo they can earn us moore money....
Someone always has to be at the bottom to keep others above the waterline....
Now tell me...who are the true heroes? The ones sticking on top, breathing air provided by efforts of other hardworking individuals or the one making it possible for the one on top to breathe?
The US tax system fails in so many ways it´s unbelivable....I can´t beleive the unholy rich people nagging about cash that to them is no more then numbers on a paper while others barely can afford to live at all.
Now tell me...who are the true heroes? The ones sticking on top, breathing air provided by efforts of other hardworking individuals or the one making it possible for the one on top to breathe?
The US tax system fails in so many ways it´s unbelivable....I can´t beleive the unholy rich people nagging about cash that to them is no more then numbers on a paper while others barely can afford to live at all.
I agree that the US tax system sucks. Now, look through the more than 57,000 pages of it and tell me WHERE it sucks. Oh, all those poor people usually get all those taxes back... so tell me how they can pay LESS? Yes, I know; I was one of those sucking at the bottom of the tax chain.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Someone always has to be at the bottom to keep others above the waterline....
Now tell me...who are the true heroes? The ones sticking on top, breathing air provided by efforts of other hardworking individuals or the one making it possible for the one on top to breathe?
The US tax system fails in so many ways it´s unbelivable....I can´t beleive the unholy rich people nagging about cash that to them is no more then numbers on a paper while others barely can afford to live at all.
Same here I pay alot of taxes and I´m actually fine with that....Here in Sweden generally around 50% of all the money goes to taxes, the thing is...we use it kinda well and I still can afford my new graphicscard and live well.
Bottom line in USA are that you don´t trust your goverment to spend them well, now....who can you really blame for that? The politicians? Or the people that put them in charge?
And the gunlaws...OMG, WHY O WHY would anyone need 10 .50 caliber weapons for selfdefense? Here we have police and other institutions that take care of that kind of things, we have moved on from our Viking mediveal way of living....
Make your politicians work for you...not the other way around.
I saw that someone beleived that we had too strong goverments in general in Europe...called them "big brother"....well....atleast or big brothers doesn´t have the rights to read our mails and to tap our communications in what ever way they feel...
Bottom line in USA are that you don´t trust your goverment to spend them well, now....who can you really blame for that? The politicians? Or the people that put them in charge?
And the gunlaws...OMG, WHY O WHY would anyone need 10 .50 caliber weapons for selfdefense? Here we have police and other institutions that take care of that kind of things, we have moved on from our Viking mediveal way of living....
Make your politicians work for you...not the other way around.
I saw that someone beleived that we had too strong goverments in general in Europe...called them "big brother"....well....atleast or big brothers doesn´t have the rights to read our mails and to tap our communications in what ever way they feel...
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First, I hate doing these line-by line retorts, but this one seems to deserve it.
As for making politicians work for us, I actually agree. Unfortunatley, name recognition works; entire political families have developed. We need severe term limits, we need to change the behavior we allow in our politicains, who should be nothing more than public servants. We need to ditch any kind of special treatment of perquisittes they may receive. There should be NOTHING good about being in politics, no upside other than the honor of serving in your nations best intrests. Hell, if anyone deserves to make just minimum wage, it is our politicians.
All well and good for you. We simply have different mindsets and different value systems.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Same here I pay alot of taxes and I´m actually fine with that....Here in Sweden generally around 50% of all the money goes to taxes, the thing is...we use it kinda well and I still can afford my new graphicscard and live well.
You are correct, very good. We do not trust our government. But what you don't get is that we have never fully trusted it, not since our inception as a nation. Even as our forefathers wrote our Constitution, they realized that the greatest danger to our people was our own government. Which kind of addresses your next statement, as well. No one we give power to will ever be fully trusted; at least not by everyone. Funny thing is, we regard that as a good thing.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Bottom line in USA are that you don´t trust your goverment to spend them well, now....who can you really blame for that? The politicians? Or the people that put them in charge?
I am not certain of it, but you may be new here. We have had discussions on this topic many, many times. Just search a bit. That being said, "Do not make the mistake of assuming that you and I share any of the same value systems." (Magpul) You are welcome to your opinion; you do not like our gun laws, no one is making you live by them. I like my guns, thank you, and I do not need to justify it.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
And the gunlaws...OMG, WHY O WHY would anyone need 10 .50 caliber weapons for selfdefense? Here we have police and other institutions that take care of that kind of things, we have moved on from our Viking mediveal way of living....
lol.... that you know of. Actually, they can't do it in whatever way they feel. There are actually rules they are supposed to follow. IF they actually follow them is open to debate, but that is true of any nation. We call ours Big Brother too, on occasion. But it is not just the US. The UK has the highest number of CCTV cameras per capita in the world, I believe. Big in the news, Australia and China heavily censor access to the internet. I think it may be a sign of the times, rather than an American cultural phenomanon. Americans (me included) are quite known for over-reacting as well as having very polar and extreme attitudes. The pendulum swings; before long, the pendulum will swing back.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Make your politicians work for you...not the other way around.
I saw that someone beleived that we had too strong goverments in general in Europe...called them "big brother"....well....atleast or big brothers doesn´t have the rights to read our mails and to tap our communications in what ever way they feel...
As for making politicians work for us, I actually agree. Unfortunatley, name recognition works; entire political families have developed. We need severe term limits, we need to change the behavior we allow in our politicains, who should be nothing more than public servants. We need to ditch any kind of special treatment of perquisittes they may receive. There should be NOTHING good about being in politics, no upside other than the honor of serving in your nations best intrests. Hell, if anyone deserves to make just minimum wage, it is our politicians.
thank you immortal, as a ghost here on d&st, for the most part (since i realized i was debating teens, who don't live in America about American politics) you said what i think, verbatim.
Hehe sorry for going of topic, I just read something about tanks and fighterjets in the earlier posts in this thread, and no I´m not really new here but prison kinda limits the chances of posting on the internet. hehe
Ofcourse you you can live the way you want and own as many guns as you want, but one of the main ideas with democracy is to feel safe enough to not need them at all right?
The best society I can imagine is one with no need of guns or survailance and atleast some kind of equal value of humanity, now don´t get me wrong here. I´m not a communist, thats an utopia, if everyone got the same salery and same cars, who would then work in the damn saltmines? Who would then drive to very remote places for doing a hard and dirty job perhaps riscing their life, if they could get the same salery for just pressing buttons in a powerplant? I do think that socialism and capitalism can be combined in a good way though.
I´m not saying that Sweden is that perfect nation for everyone else to glance at for improvment, but we have got some things right here atleast hehe.
All in all taxes are a cool thing if done correctly, spread the wealth I say, I really can´t understand how anyone can dislike this idea, I guess they will feel different when they have real troubles themselves....I have been working my entire life (since the age of 16 now 29) and I have anually payed atleast 32% of my 50-55 000 dollars earned every year in taxes.
I really don´t mind this, because I know that whenever I might get in trouble or loose my job or say....there is a global financecrysis, I have my back kinda covered by my society.
But then again....some people seems to think that things will always stay the same and bad things will never happen to them in person, only to the people that deserve it or are born that way, poor with small chances of having a quallity lifestyle.
Ofcourse you you can live the way you want and own as many guns as you want, but one of the main ideas with democracy is to feel safe enough to not need them at all right?
The best society I can imagine is one with no need of guns or survailance and atleast some kind of equal value of humanity, now don´t get me wrong here. I´m not a communist, thats an utopia, if everyone got the same salery and same cars, who would then work in the damn saltmines? Who would then drive to very remote places for doing a hard and dirty job perhaps riscing their life, if they could get the same salery for just pressing buttons in a powerplant? I do think that socialism and capitalism can be combined in a good way though.
I´m not saying that Sweden is that perfect nation for everyone else to glance at for improvment, but we have got some things right here atleast hehe.
All in all taxes are a cool thing if done correctly, spread the wealth I say, I really can´t understand how anyone can dislike this idea, I guess they will feel different when they have real troubles themselves....I have been working my entire life (since the age of 16 now 29) and I have anually payed atleast 32% of my 50-55 000 dollars earned every year in taxes.
I really don´t mind this, because I know that whenever I might get in trouble or loose my job or say....there is a global financecrysis, I have my back kinda covered by my society.
But then again....some people seems to think that things will always stay the same and bad things will never happen to them in person, only to the people that deserve it or are born that way, poor with small chances of having a quallity lifestyle.
All that is very admirable and exactly what you should be doing but it may ultimately be to no avail (time will tell). The Great Depression led to unemployment of around 30%. I don't think people realise the magnitude of this financial crisis - it is colossal. It will affect everyone in some capacity. Unemployment could pierce 10% or more. Entire companies will shut down and are shutting down - irrespective of how hard people are working and sometimes just because the credit crunch means that banks are no longer willing to extend credit to businesses. Will you be to blame for losing your job if it occurs? Partly probably but you will not be the only factor in such a thing occurring. You alone do not bear the blame and in the interests of you and your nation you should not bear the entire burden of the incompetency of others. There is a synergy and mutual economic benefit in marching forward as a nation and not just a nation of stand alone entities. Taxation is not all burden and no gain. It can be used to bolster your economy which in the medium and longer terms will benefit everyone, including you. I can understand why that is anathema to many Americans.imortal wrote:
Okay, if you can't see the writing on the wall and do something to keep your job, who is to blame? There is a slowdown in my work right now. It is cyclical, it happens. We may come to a time when up to 25% of our employees may get cut loose. So, what am I doing? I am working my tail off, to be very sure that when they start picking names of who they can do without, my name gets firmly put in the "keep" catagory. I am also back in school, getting a better education to get a better paying job with more ability for advancement.
Obama is giving a tax cut to middle America. Tax cuts are only of benefit to those who actually pay tax ergo your point is moot. Obama is not taking your money and handing it to alcoholics and drug addicts: he is attempting to boost the economy in light of the fact that the investment of capital in business has completely dried up.imortal wrote:
The very sad fact is that some people are more deserving of help than others. Some people will take the help you give, and build themselves a life, improving the quality of life for themselves and their families. Other people will take the help you give them, spend and squander it to no great effect, then hold out their hand and ask for more. Now, if I can only help one of those people, who do you think I would prefer to help? Or should I bankrupt myself in trying to help both, when one of them will be nothing but a constant drain on me, and may even endanger my own stability?
Let me rephrase... against MOST war.lowing wrote:
Against war? Ya mean war that ended slavery, opression, genocide, fascism, and the nazis? Oh also lets not forget it war war that gained Irleland independence that is so richly enjoyed by all those who so happen to now, oppose warring.Turquoise wrote:
Well, the small government people are so inconsistent. They say they don't trust the government to handle our healthcare, but they trust it with the lives of people like Iraqis.lowing wrote:
........and yet everyone on here thinks what we need is MORE govt. in our lives with MORE govt. programs taking over for private enterprise.
If the Republicans really stood for smaller government, they'd be against war.
Although, the Civil War was about economics, not slavery.
He is not president yet, so it is a PROPOSED tax cut. And yea a tax cut benefits only the taxed, BUT, he is a democrap, so the taxes he will impose upon the working class will benefit the pieces of shit that the democraps love to help. Again my point; WHY DO THOSE OF YOU THAT DO NOT LIVE HERE, INSIST UPON TRYING TO INVOLVE YOURSELVES IN OUR POLITICS? Take care of your own ass first before trying to wipe ours. Once you have a utopia, then your opinion might matter.CameronPoe wrote:
Obama is giving a tax cut to middle America. Tax cuts are only of benefit to those who actually pay tax ergo your point is moot. Obama is not taking your money and handing it to alcoholics and drug addicts: he is attempting to boost the economy in light of the fact that the investment of capital in business has completely dried up.
Careful about assumptions... American politicians love to use familiar terms in new ways. His 'tax credit' ideas were very far from tax credits of past years. His ideas of 'tax credits' were bonuses of money given to college students or fathers of unwed children. Tax credits are creally supposed to be just that: credits. They were assessed against the tax debt owed by a family, but only until balance. They were never supposed to convert to real money or some form of refund. But 'tax credit' sounds better. Oh, and Obama is not giving anything. He is promising. He would not be the first candidate to promise anything he has to in order to win, and he would not be the first to break those promises once he gets there.CameronPoe wrote:
Obama is giving a tax cut to middle America. Tax cuts are only of benefit to those who actually pay tax ergo your point is moot. Obama is not taking your money and handing it to alcoholics and drug addicts: he is attempting to boost the economy in light of the fact that the investment of capital in business has completely dried up.
Also, my post was to address the entire system of entitlement spending here in the US. It is just that Obama sounds (to me) like he not only wants to continue it, but to actually increase it. Besides, I am right in the middle of the money bracket Obama says he wants to help. I am more concerned about what will happen on the other side of the ledger.
You say taxation is not all burden and no gain. But Obama promises that the low income masses will do nothing but gain, and the few rich (who you should hate ad despise for taking your money anyway) will foot the bill. It is a base appeal to buy votes without regard to the possible affects.
It is my responsibility to make myself as employable as possible. To make employers want me. It is my responsibility to my family to provide the very best living I can for them. If my job is lost through no fault of my own, I better have additional skills to make sure I can find a job in another field, or with another employer.
Because you have placed your gigantic ass across the entire world?
And when comparing some countries to USA they actually seem like utopias....hehe =P
I´ll also add that the entire world would like to know who they will be invaded by the next time, we are just curious that´s all.
And when comparing some countries to USA they actually seem like utopias....hehe =P
I´ll also add that the entire world would like to know who they will be invaded by the next time, we are just curious that´s all.
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Actually, I kind of like living here. Seems pretty nice to me. And at least I know my country won't be invaded.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Because you have placed your gigantic ass across the entire world?
And when comparing some countries to USA they actually seem like utopias....hehe =P
I´ll also add that the entire world would like to know who they will be invaded by the next time, we are just curious that´s all.
Our ass is not even near sweden, if that's where you are from. And i cry bullshit on seeming like utopias, you are a lot closer to china than I am, how Utopian is it there? How about other countries in your back yard? namely; iran, and pretty much all of africa. Utopian? I mock you.