BF2S Forums Is a country better off mandating a military service or not?

Israel has a mostly conscripted army...just sayin'...

I think mandatory military service would be great.  Make the stupid kids and gung-ho 101st Fighting Keyboardists do some time holding a line somewhere.

However, nothing "conscripted" should ever be a replacement for even part of a professional military.

Conscription was brought up during Vietnam in Australia. I never want to see conscription again, in any country. Imagine being brought into a war like that, that is (virtually) un-winnable for a start. You may even be opposed to the war itself (not the troops, the war).

I think it was one of the men from Easy company when asked why he volunteered said (I'm paraphrasing cause I don't know the exact quote) because he knew that if he volunteered it would mean he's next to another guy who volunteered. Who would have been there because he chose to.

These men did volunteer. Listen to the reasons. None of them knew, ultimately, the huge sacrifice they would be giving.



But they chose it.

Think of conscription in the other extreme, choosing who can't go to. Three men from that one town committed suicide for it.

I don't want some guy who's shitting his pants because he never planned on being in the military covering my ass during an assault on some position.

If we ever have a draft again, I'd hope that draftees wouldn't necessarily be in front-line positions.

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Some countries require that their youth serve a minimum of two or more years in the military. Do you think that is a violation of free will? Do you think it is a good way to shape a nations youth into better citizens? What are your thoughts? Discuss.

2 opinions here.

An all volunteer force is consistent with a free society.

Serving contributes to responsibility and discipline which all young people could use.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

jord wrote:

I don't want it, you'll notice conscript armies perform poorly. I don't want any people forced to fight next to me on patrol. Conscription is good for countries that don't actually go to war. Say Norway.

They don't go to war but all those citizens will have got discipline and made into men.

Because only by going into the military do you truly become a 'man'...

Other than that, I agree - if I were forced to go to war, I'd be the guy getting everyone else killed (not maliciously, of course, just due to not doing the job properly, through not wanting to be there).

"You haven't met a Man until you've met an InfantryMan" - ????

For small countries, that can't field big armies? I think so, because then you have a larger pool of already trained people when and if shit hits the fan...

Mint Sauce wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Because only by going into the military do you truly become a 'man'

it sure helps along the process.  i mean sitting around taking a few classes during the week about mostly usueless shit is good also i suppose.

I'd rather take those classes, get a good degree and have a £100,000+ a year job than risk being blown the fuck up in search of being a 'man' and then do fuck all afterwards.

ive done both.  so until some of you do both, your opinion is useless.

As much as I wanna kiss and hold you Mint, there's more to life than money.


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lowing wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Some countries require that their youth serve a minimum of two or more years in the military. Do you think that is a violation of free will? Do you think it is a good way to shape a nations youth into better citizens? What are your thoughts? Discuss.

2 opinions here.

An all volunteer force is consistent with a free society.

Serving contributes to responsibility and discipline which all young people could use.

Wow. I agree with lowing. Exactly. Hmm...

Mint Sauce wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Because only by going into the military do you truly become a 'man'

it sure helps along the process.  i mean sitting around taking a few classes during the week about mostly usueless shit is good also i suppose.

I'd rather take those classes, get a good degree and have a £100,000+ a year job than risk being blown the fuck up in search of being a 'man' and then do fuck all afterwards.

I have a four year degree and 4 years in the Marines. What employer would choose a  a college grad over a college grad with a military background at the same age? Not many. A degree really means shit, so to speak. What you major in is irrelevant, an employer wants to see that you set goals and finish them to the end and scrutinize details. That is why college graduates are preffered so to have 8 years of experience in 4 or 5 years is a very attractive quality that makes you more marketable and shows you handle stress and pressure but can still deliver an objective under a deadline.

edit: many of my high school friends that went off to college when I joined the service are much lower than me salary wise. They are intelligent, but lazy. Then again, a few guys that also went into the service are below them as well. The military is an open door, use it to launch your education and if you are driven to get as much as you can the possibilities are almost endless.

Last edited by deeznutz1245 (2008-10-19 08:38:07)

We have a pro army. We don't really need an army but I did wanted to go in the army for a year, just to experience it.

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

I don't want some guy who's shitting his pants because he never planned on being in the military covering my ass during an assault on some position.

If we ever have a draft again, I'd hope that draftees wouldn't necessarily be in front-line positions.

Who´s telling, that the draftees are cowards and you are the God of War? Maybe they will cover your ass, while you are shitting your pants?

The Military doesn´t make Men out of Young Boys. That´s Bullshit, too... they grow up by themselves and the tasks they have - not by wearing a green dress and marching through the mud.

A Mandatory Army makes sure, that from every part of society, the soldiers get drafted - in a volunteer Army you have mostly the underdogs and those who do not had big chances in life. So yes - i think it ain´t a bad idea, to let the youth spend some time for society, whether they serve in the army or in civil services (like in germany) - but it shouldn´t be just the male who have to serve.