True in a way probably, or a portion of it at least... Iraq in its current incarnation is something of a proxy war between the US and Iran that just happens to have some Iraqis caught up in it on Iraqi soil!God Save the Queen wrote:
Iran runs Iraq
We found plenty of chemical weapons in Iraq, but thanks to the media those are no longer classified as a WMD.
Saddam was actively seeking to start a nuke program also, but like so many other things it is probably buried in the desert now, or it is in Iranian hands.
What has happened in Iraq is a prime example of not using the 7-P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
The government has tied one hand behind the back of the military since day one. The one time they let us do our jobs was in Fallijhua, now look, Al Anbar province is pretty damn safe(er)
Saddam was actively seeking to start a nuke program also, but like so many other things it is probably buried in the desert now, or it is in Iranian hands.
What has happened in Iraq is a prime example of not using the 7-P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
The government has tied one hand behind the back of the military since day one. The one time they let us do our jobs was in Fallijhua, now look, Al Anbar province is pretty damn safe(er)
The Israeli's took out their nuke reactor that time as well, so there was obviously something taking place then. The whole idea that he had nothing of the sort (bio, chem, nuke) is pretty hollow. It runs on the idea that because nothing was found it didn't exist, its like saying because we can't see air it doesn't exist, and many seem to overrule the fact that it could have just as easily been buried out in the vast desert that makes up most of Iraq.SgtHeihn wrote:
We found plenty of chemical weapons in Iraq, but thanks to the media those are no longer classified as a WMD.
Saddam was actively seeking to start a nuke program also, but like so many other things it is probably buried in the desert now, or it is in Iranian hands.
What has happened in Iraq is a prime example of not using the 7-P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
The government has tied one hand behind the back of the military since day one. The one time they let us do our jobs was in Fallijhua, now look, Al Anbar province is pretty damn safe(er)
Wasn't he supposed to be able to attack us with those weapons within only 45 minutes or something ridiculous like that?SgtHeihn wrote:
We found plenty of chemical weapons in Iraq, but thanks to the media those are no longer classified as a WMD.
Saddam was actively seeking to start a nuke program also, but like so many other things it is probably buried in the desert now, or it is in Iranian hands.
What has happened in Iraq is a prime example of not using the 7-P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
The government has tied one hand behind the back of the military since day one. The one time they let us do our jobs was in Fallijhua, now look, Al Anbar province is pretty damn safe(er)
I wonder what he was saving them for... because apparently being invaded by the world's last remaining super power wasn't deemed a good enough reason to break them out of the closet.
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Braddock what lessons has the rest of the world (Our allies) learned? Will they continue to put their own soldiers in harms way while we feed our blood lust?
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Of course they will
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Of course they will
Xbone Stormsurgezz
lol. Quite a lot of mindless suppositions there. How an Iraqi 'nuclear program' could fall into 'Iranian hands' is beyond me. Did the reactor and centrifgues teleport across the border without leaving any radioactive trace? No longer classified as WMD as they were not functioning deployable weapons. For something to be a weapon representing an 'imminent threat' it has to fit the description of one...SgtHeihn wrote:
We found plenty of chemical weapons in Iraq, but thanks to the media those are no longer classified as a WMD.
Saddam was actively seeking to start a nuke program also, but like so many other things it is probably buried in the desert now, or it is in Iranian hands.
What has happened in Iraq is a prime example of not using the 7-P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
The government has tied one hand behind the back of the military since day one. The one time they let us do our jobs was in Fallijhua, now look, Al Anbar province is pretty damn safe(er)
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I dont think itll last thoughSgtHeihn wrote:
Al Anbar province is pretty damn safe(er)
Why are we still there?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
CameronPoe wrote:
lol. Quite a lot of mindless suppositions there. How an Iraqi 'nuclear program' could fall into 'Iranian hands' is beyond me. Did the reactor and centrifgues teleport across the border without leaving any radioactive trace? No longer classified as WMD as they were not functioning deployable weapons. For something to be a weapon representing an 'imminent threat' it has to fit the description of one...SgtHeihn wrote:
We found plenty of chemical weapons in Iraq, but thanks to the media those are no longer classified as a WMD.
Saddam was actively seeking to start a nuke program also, but like so many other things it is probably buried in the desert now, or it is in Iranian hands.
What has happened in Iraq is a prime example of not using the 7-P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
The government has tied one hand behind the back of the military since day one. The one time they let us do our jobs was in Fallijhua, now look, Al Anbar province is pretty damn safe(er)
to keep iran from taking over officially. to keep saudi arabia happy from the bufferKmarion wrote:
Why are we still there?
the islamic republic wants mecca. thats the ultimate goal
Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-10-20 08:58:24)
Nice pictures. Where are they from?
Kinda like the Iraqi Air force just kinda teleported over their also. You seem to forget that Iran has a very large hand in Iraq, they did even before the invasion. The looting during the invasion left most important buildings stripped of everything.CameronPoe wrote:
lol. Quite a lot of mindless suppositions there. How an Iraqi 'nuclear program' could fall into 'Iranian hands' is beyond me. Did the reactor and centrifgues teleport across the border without leaving any radioactive trace? No longer classified as WMD as they were not functioning deployable weapons. For something to be a weapon representing an 'imminent threat' it has to fit the description of one...SgtHeihn wrote:
We found plenty of chemical weapons in Iraq, but thanks to the media those are no longer classified as a WMD.
Saddam was actively seeking to start a nuke program also, but like so many other things it is probably buried in the desert now, or it is in Iranian hands.
What has happened in Iraq is a prime example of not using the 7-P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
The government has tied one hand behind the back of the military since day one. The one time they let us do our jobs was in Fallijhua, now look, Al Anbar province is pretty damn safe(er)
And yes we did find deployable chemical weapons. We also found factories with massive tanks waiting to to be mixed.
It seems odd that people in a Sunni-dominated hierearchy who don't even speak the same language as Iran and who fought a bitter ten year war with Iran would fly their air force over to a hated nation. If you're suggesting that Iranians risked their lives by rushing into Iraq as the US invaded in order to strip museums of their priceless artifacts, etc. then you are pushing the boundaries of plausibility. Show us the massive stockpiles of deployable chemical weapons then, the ones that could hit Washington DC, New York and San Francisco.SgtHeihn wrote:
Kinda like the Iraqi Air force just kinda teleported over their also. You seem to forget that Iran has a very large hand in Iraq, they did even before the invasion. The looting during the invasion left most important buildings stripped of everything.
And yes we did find deployable chemical weapons. We also found factories with massive tanks waiting to to be mixed.
All the political parties in power answer to tehran.CameronPoe wrote:
It seems odd that people in a Sunni-dominated hierearchy who don't even speak the same language as Iran and who fought a bitter ten year war with Iran would fly their air force over to a hated nation. If you're suggesting that Iranians risked their lives by rushing into Iraq as the US invaded in order to strip museums of their priceless artifacts, etc. then you are pushing the boundaries of plausibility. Show us the massive stockpiles of deployable chemical weapons then, the ones that could hit Washington DC, New York and San Francisco.SgtHeihn wrote:
Kinda like the Iraqi Air force just kinda teleported over their also. You seem to forget that Iran has a very large hand in Iraq, they did even before the invasion. The looting during the invasion left most important buildings stripped of everything.
And yes we did find deployable chemical weapons. We also found factories with massive tanks waiting to to be mixed.
Directly after the invasion, Iran rush into southern Iraq and stole a butt load of oil. Now, they influence all aspects of the economy for the majority of the country.
They dont even use the iraqi dinar in a lot of places in iraq, they use iranian currency.
Is Iran an immediate threat to our sovereignty?God Save the Queen wrote:
to keep iran from taking over officially. to keep saudi arabia happy from the bufferKmarion wrote:
Why are we still there?
the islamic republic wants mecca. thats the ultimate goal
Xbone Stormsurgezz
if losing influence over the region is a threat, then yes.Kmarion wrote:
Is Iran an immediate threat to our sovereignty?God Save the Queen wrote:
to keep iran from taking over officially. to keep saudi arabia happy from the bufferKmarion wrote:
Why are we still there?
the islamic republic wants mecca. thats the ultimate goal
Or that the most powerful cleric in Iraq is living in Iran now, or the huge amount of Iranian weapons and munitions that have been captured.God Save the Queen wrote:
All the political parties in power answer to tehran.CameronPoe wrote:
It seems odd that people in a Sunni-dominated hierearchy who don't even speak the same language as Iran and who fought a bitter ten year war with Iran would fly their air force over to a hated nation. If you're suggesting that Iranians risked their lives by rushing into Iraq as the US invaded in order to strip museums of their priceless artifacts, etc. then you are pushing the boundaries of plausibility. Show us the massive stockpiles of deployable chemical weapons then, the ones that could hit Washington DC, New York and San Francisco.SgtHeihn wrote:
Kinda like the Iraqi Air force just kinda teleported over their also. You seem to forget that Iran has a very large hand in Iraq, they did even before the invasion. The looting during the invasion left most important buildings stripped of everything.
And yes we did find deployable chemical weapons. We also found factories with massive tanks waiting to to be mixed.
Directly after the invasion, Iran rush into southern Iraq and stole a butt load of oil. Now, they influence all aspects of the economy for the majority of the country.
They dont even use the iraqi dinar in a lot of places in iraq, they use iranian currency.
Sunni's only made up a small portion of their military. There were masses of military aged males running around in civilian clothes, is it that wild of an idea that some of those were Iranian special forces snatching shit up?
we tried propping up moderate shiites in the government and they were killed by iranians
heres a fun fact.
Ayatollah sistani, once considered the most revered shiite cleric from the najaf, has his home surrounded by iranian revolutionary guards for the day theyll have to kill him.
they actually live in the homes around him, keeping an eye on him. sistani has steadily lost influence since iran stepped in.
there are two competing centers of thought for the shiite. Najaf in iraq and Qum (I think thats how its spelled) in Iran. A rivalry that has existed for centuries
heres a fun fact.
Ayatollah sistani, once considered the most revered shiite cleric from the najaf, has his home surrounded by iranian revolutionary guards for the day theyll have to kill him.
they actually live in the homes around him, keeping an eye on him. sistani has steadily lost influence since iran stepped in.
there are two competing centers of thought for the shiite. Najaf in iraq and Qum (I think thats how its spelled) in Iran. A rivalry that has existed for centuries
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Shhh! America is the only country that can meddle in other countries affairs!God Save the Queen wrote:
we tried propping up moderate shiites in the government and they were killed by iranians
heres a fun fact.
Ayatollah sistani, once considered the most revered shiite cleric from the najaf, has his home surrounded by iranian revolutionary guards for the day theyll have to kill him.
they actually live in the homes around him, keeping an eye on him. sistani has steadily lost influence since iran stepped in.
there are two competing centers of thought for the shiite. Najaf in iraq and Qum (I think thats how its spelled) in Iran. A rivalry that has existed for centuries
So what you guys are saying is that 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' has resulted in 'Operation Iranian Annexation'?
Take a bow guys... next time let the Marx brothers draw up the plans.
Take a bow guys... next time let the Marx brothers draw up the plans.
yes, without the second part
Shhh... it was thanks to the US's genius plan to invade in the first place that any of this current mess exists.SgtHeihn wrote:
Shhh! America is the only country that can meddle in other countries affairs!God Save the Queen wrote:
we tried propping up moderate shiites in the government and they were killed by iranians
heres a fun fact.
Ayatollah sistani, once considered the most revered shiite cleric from the najaf, has his home surrounded by iranian revolutionary guards for the day theyll have to kill him.
they actually live in the homes around him, keeping an eye on him. sistani has steadily lost influence since iran stepped in.
there are two competing centers of thought for the shiite. Najaf in iraq and Qum (I think thats how its spelled) in Iran. A rivalry that has existed for centuries
Basically ye created the scenario under which Iran could launch a mini-takeover of Iraq... quite smart really seen as this will now (or would have under McCain) been used as a reason to launch a war against Iran.
Last edited by Braddock (2008-10-20 09:38:34)
people have profitted. I wish I had stock in haliburton in 03.
the same way the iranians took over lebanon, and how they have their eyes set on palestine through hamas.
7-P's, you don't follow them you get burned. In Vietnam they had the whiz-kids, we must have their kids planning shit now.Braddock wrote:
So what you guys are saying is that 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' has resulted in 'Operation Iranian Annexation'?
Take a bow guys... next time let the Marx brothers draw up the plans.