BF2S Forums Hang On A Minute...4 million Catholics systemically killed by Nazis?

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Why is it that we can have this critical debate about other religious groups but if it were the Jewish death toll we were questioning this thread would most likely already be closed by now and I'd probably be banned?

NOTE: I am NOT, in any way, denying that millions of Jews were killed during the Holocaust.

because there is no controversy, it happened and you are not denying it. You are however in denial about Islam and its affect on western society. Hence a controversy

Last edited by Braddock (2008-10-14 04:49:44)

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

because there is no controversy, it happened and you are not denying it. You are however in denial about Islam and its affect on western society. Hence a controversy

lol. Read my sig. Bosnia is the finest example of how wrong lowing is on so many levels. Of course he`ll just play it off with his usual ´thats not really islam theyre practicing´ codswallop. Tiring and inane. Give up your religious hatred lowing, just as the militants should give up theirs.

I´m still waiting for this deluge of suicide bombings to occur in the west btw. Any chance you could give us an exact date for the onslaught to begin? Only been a handful of events in the last several decades... despite several tens of millions of them living amongst us....

Here´s some lovely christian activity for you:

"Serbs who refused to participate in the persecution of Muslims were killed. In a Serb-army occupied area of Sarajevo, Serb militants killed a Serb officer who objected to atrocities against civilians; they left his body on the street for over a week as an object lesson. During one of the 'selections' carried out by Serb militants in Sarajevo, an old Serb named Ljubo objected to being separated out from his Muslim friends and neighbors; they beat him to death on the spot.

During the war, Serb forces systematically raped and sexually abused Muslim Bosnian women in rape camps after being separated from men."

PS Please demonstrate how YOUR life has been affected by muslim people living in YOUR society in some direct and meaningful way. Because mine hasn´t - contrary to your tired old repetitive assertions and substanceless stories about random nobodies saying 'happy holidays' instead of 'happy christmas'.

lowing wrote:

^^^^^^^^^^
Like I said denial

lowing wrote:

It is funny how your logic that since it has not affected me, that it is not affecting my country. Illegal immigration has not cost me a paycheck either Cam, yet it is a problem in our country.

lowing wrote:

Also, you seem to think we are all a bunch of gun toted shootem up cowboys in the states, yet YOU have never been fucking shot! THAT is how inconsistant you are "on so many levels".

lowing wrote:

I have never given a pass to any religious groups for any of their negative activites. I have stated my position on Islam clearly, it is a culture that does not adhere to the freedoms and tolerance that western society adheres to.

lowing wrote:

I have not said a thing about sucide bombers on main street, that is your blown up over exaggerated viewpoint you need to use to try and make a point. Since you can not seem to make one based on what I ACTUALLY post.

God Save the Queen wrote:

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lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

because there is no controversy, it happened and you are not denying it. You are however in denial about Islam and its affect on western society. Hence a controversy

You have Islam on the brain my good friend... seriously, get help! I was talking about how it seems okay to casually dismiss figures regarding Catholic death tolls while to do the same with Jewish death tolls causes an absolute outrage - that sir, is special treatment for a particular religious group, something you claim to be vehemently opposed to.

Honestly though, I reckon if I started a thread about stamp collecting you'd find a way of turning the debate around to Islam.

"we can have this critical debate about other religious groups" <---------In DST the only real critical on going debate is over Islam. I am pretty sure this is what you meant regardless if you admit it or not.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Only lowing could turn a thread like this into one about Islamist.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-10-15 03:30:29)

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

You have Islam on the brain my good friend... seriously, get help! I was talking about how it seems okay to casually dismiss figures regarding Catholic death tolls while to do the same with Jewish death tolls causes an absolute outrage - that sir, is special treatment for a particular religious group, something you claim to be vehemently opposed to.

Honestly though, I reckon if I started a thread about stamp collecting you'd find a way of turning the debate around to Islam.

"we can have this critical debate about other religious groups" <---------In DST the only real critical on going debate is over Islam. I am pretty sure this is what you meant regardless if you admit it or not.

I was actually talking about Catholics when I said "other religious groups", nowhere in the thread had I made a point about Islam prior to this comment so why you would assume I would, all of a sudden, turn the topic around to Islam is quite beyond me. Freud would have a field day assessing your inferences when it comes to threads relating to race and religion lowing.

Braddock wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

I don't like the special treatment they get.

Hated and attacked throughout their existence, yeah why do they get all the breaks.

Oh yeah, and every other race on the planet got a fucking easy ride did they?

What about black Africans who got dragged all over the world and traded as slaves for years? What about the 1 million plus Irish people who died of starvation during the famine while British-ruled Ireland continued to export food? What about the native Americans who were decimated by the European settlers? What about the Aborigines who had their land, their children, their culture and, in many cases their ability to have children taken away from them by outsiders? What about the 200'000 native Peruvians that President Alberto Fujimori forced to be sterilised as part of his National Eugenics program?

Double standards yet again.

lowing wrote:

You are in denial because the world and its problems are bigger than YOU and Muslims YOU have met. You arrogant piece of work.

lowing wrote:

Because they were afford the Final Solution. A path was set out to eliminate the Jewish race. To the best of my knowledge they were the only ones so targeted.

san4 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Hated and attacked throughout their existence, yeah why do they get all the breaks.

Oh yeah, and every other race on the planet got a fucking easy ride did they?

What about black Africans who got dragged all over the world and traded as slaves for years? What about the 1 million plus Irish people who died of starvation during the famine while British-ruled Ireland continued to export food? What about the native Americans who were decimated by the European settlers? What about the Aborigines who had their land, their children, their culture and, in many cases their ability to have children taken away from them by outsiders? What about the 200'000 native Peruvians that President Alberto Fujimori forced to be sterilised as part of his National Eugenics program?

Double standards yet again.

Not a double standard. How many of those groups were accused of killing God's son?

Hatred and attacks on Jews are different in kind, not just severity. The things that make treatment of Jews unique are:

- 2000 years of hatred
- accused of killing a God (an accusation not retracted until 1965!)
- legally banned from multiple countries
- attacks were frequently contrary to the material interests of the attackers (e.g., Nazi Germany diverted precious resources from the war).

It's not just 'worse', it's different from racism, political control, geopolitics, or amoral profiteering.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-10-16 08:27:12)

Braddock wrote:

san4 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Oh yeah, and every other race on the planet got a fucking easy ride did they?

What about black Africans who got dragged all over the world and traded as slaves for years? What about the 1 million plus Irish people who died of starvation during the famine while British-ruled Ireland continued to export food? What about the native Americans who were decimated by the European settlers? What about the Aborigines who had their land, their children, their culture and, in many cases their ability to have children taken away from them by outsiders? What about the 200'000 native Peruvians that President Alberto Fujimori forced to be sterilised as part of his National Eugenics program?

Double standards yet again.

Not a double standard. How many of those groups were accused of killing God's son?

Hatred and attacks on Jews are different in kind, not just severity. The things that make treatment of Jews unique are:

- 2000 years of hatred
- accused of killing a God (an accusation not retracted until 1965!)
- legally banned from multiple countries
- attacks were frequently contrary to the material interests of the attackers (e.g., Nazi Germany diverted precious resources from the war).

It's not just 'worse', it's different from racism, political control, geopolitics, or amoral profiteering.

I would not in any way try and deny the existence of anti-semitism. It is a very real form of racism that has existed throughout history and persists to this day but I'm afraid I believe it to be just another form of racism... it is no different to hating a black person, a yellow person or an Irish person because of some ingrained dislike.

2000 years of hatred?

Hey, racism has been around forever. Who's watching the clock?

Accused of killing a God (an accusation not retracted until 1965!)?

Meh, couldn't give a shit about Jesus or how he was killed to be honest and I'm sure that's not the reason many Arabs are anti-Semitic. This argument is no different to that of a modern day Englishman experiencing racism from an Irishman on the grounds of past Imperialism.

legally banned from multiple countries?

Okay, fair enough but black people were 'legally' snatched from Africa and taken to America for slave labour because they were regarded as subhuman. Again, the Jews are not unique in experiencing mass racism.

Attacks were frequently contrary to the material interests of the attackers (e.g., Nazi Germany diverted precious resources from the war)?

Not sure where you're going with that one. Perhaps you can clarify for me.