[-DER-]Omega
membeR
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Cybargs wrote:

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

That's there job. It's what their employer has hired them to do, if they fail to do that, they lose a customer for life. I'll tip if the service is exceptional, but good food and timely service does not alone qualify as 'exceptional', it is expected.
note the fact that typically, the vast majority of a waiter's pay comes from tips and not hourly wage assigned by the restaurant. a server is gonna be making fuck all when he's tipped 10% or less and being paid 1/2 minimum wage and has to account for tipshare.
How can you even be working at 1/2 minimum wage...
did you even read my post...

obviously there are some huge differences between how things are run in the US and elsewhere. we can all leave it at that.
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[-DER-]Omega
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article wrote:

Tipping is obligatory in North America, because the waitstaff are often paid fairly low wages, however, it is the customary practice. In many other countries with stiff minimum wage requirements, particularly the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, tipping is not customary: it is entirely optional, a reward for extraordinarily good service, and the customer need not feel obliged to tip.
at sit-down restaurants, it is standard and customary to leave 15-20%. Americans believe 15% is a bit on the cheap side too.
http://www.wikihow.com/Tip-Your-Server-at-a-Restaurant

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index … 238AA6WS1u
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Dilbert_X
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Why should I pay tips so a restaurant owner can get cheap labour?
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DonFck
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DrunkFace wrote:

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

That's there job. It's what their employer has hired them to do, if they fail to do that, they lose a customer for life. I'll tip if the service is exceptional, but good food and timely service does not alone qualify as 'exceptional', it is expected.
note the fact that typically, the vast majority of a waiter's pay comes from tips and not hourly wage assigned by the restaurant. a server is gonna be making fuck all when he's tipped 10% or less and being paid 1/2 minimum wage and has to account for tipshare.
Your argument is retarded. Increase prices and pay your employees a proper wage. Tips are a bonus over and above your wage.
I agree.

Here's an argument:

Fact: Many people in many countries are getting minimum wage from being waiters depend on their tip to get by; their pay from their employer simply isn't enough. As the employers purpose is to make a profit, and his rival businesses are also paying their employees the minimum, the employer simply cannot compete with higher wages.

- The minimum wage should become higher in order to provide the possibility of a bare minimum standard of living for people working full hours. People working in fields that don't have the possibility for a tip wouldn't have to work two jobs (which they in worst cases do).

Tips are not taxed for, they do not accumulate any pension for the employee nor do they add up "under the line" in any case when it comes to "official salary".

- In cases of sickness or other inability to work, the relative amount of sick pay / disability money (or whatever it's called) is not in par with what they would earn when working as the tip-factor is not taken into consideration.

- Pensions become ridiculously low for those working minimum wage, private pension funds are unaffordable.

If tipping is a standard (which it seems it has become in some places), tips function ultimately as a disservice to their recipients. As long as tipping is a standard, there is little pressure to increase minimum salaries, especially from the passivated waiters who may think this is their only option and that they will get by by doing things this way, not seeing the inevitable, which is that at some point in their lives they will be unable to work due to age / health problems, but can't afford not to.

Hence, I don't tip automatically. I need to get the sensation that I'm getting personal service, then I go with the customary 5-10 %. I'm for people getting paid enough to get by, and their salaries checked at the event of inflation. I don't believe tips should be an important part of what ends up on a working persons bank account.

P.S: I also many times don't take the café-tray to the tray holder in cafés, the more self-service customers do, the less service we will get in the future, and the less jobs will be available.

Think about it.
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[-DER-]Omega
membeR
+188|7112|Lithuania
well good luck presenting that to the legislators in the US. in the meantime you'll just have to put up with tipping your server unless youre in the mood for a hint of spit in your soup du jour

also contrary to popular belief, a server's tips are indeed taxed as he is required to declare them at the end of the shift.
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Vilham
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Well you tip the server afterwards and if the service is bad enough that you won't tip then its unlikely your going to go back to that restaurant anyway.
Surgeons
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And how often do you think all 100% of tips are declared?

I personally agree with Don and such, tips are for doing something above and beyond what you're expected for. You pay a standard fee for something you expect, then will tip if the service/quality is above what you expect.

Tipping as standard is an absurd idea, everyone gets used to it and the service wont be as good as if the waiters/resses had to work harder to earn a tip.
DonFck
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[-DER-]Omega wrote:

well good luck presenting that to the legislators in the US. in the meantime you'll just have to put up with tipping your server unless youre in the mood for a hint of spit in your soup du jour
That would require the waiter to have the ability to see the future. Even if I paid for said soup up front, the tip would be given retroactively, once I would have established if I got service that justifies tipping. If my soup got spit on before even I had the chance to consider a tip, well, that tells us quite a bit about the waiters/waitresses motivation level and if he/she deserves a tip at all.

If I were to come back to that restaurant, I would probably have liked it so much, that I had tipped the personnel. Q.E.D., the spit in the soup is highly unlikely.

As for presenting things to the legislators in the US, that's what labor unions should do instead of acting like the mafia, if they gave a flying fuck about their annual membership payers.

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

also contrary to popular belief, a server's tips are indeed taxed as he is required to declare them at the end of the shift.
This I didn't know. I wonder how many actually do that though. Tips are not taxed here since they aren't "a given".
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[-DER-]Omega
membeR
+188|7112|Lithuania
And how often do you think all 100% of tips are declared?
never. iirc, where I worked the default was 10% of total sales made by the server.


once again guys, I don't make the rules nor am I debating whether they're right or wrong, I'm just telling you how it is.
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DonFck
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[-DER-]Omega wrote:

once again guys, I don't make the rules nor am I debating whether they're right or wrong, I'm just telling you how it is.

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
I need around tree fiddy.
[-DER-]Omega
membeR
+188|7112|Lithuania

DonFck wrote:

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

once again guys, I don't make the rules nor am I debating whether they're right or wrong, I'm just telling you how it is.

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
okay, more specifically, - 20% should be standard in America
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Cybargs
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[-DER-]Omega wrote:

DonFck wrote:

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

once again guys, I don't make the rules nor am I debating whether they're right or wrong, I'm just telling you how it is.

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
okay, more specifically, - 20% should be standard in America
Why.
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ghettoperson
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Turquoise wrote:

I tip really well.  I have to make up for all of the bla.... er... shitty tippers around here.
Heh, Amar'e Stoudemire apparently lives up to the stereotype very well. Never tips a cent, yet got a $100 million contract.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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DrunkFace wrote:

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
Why should a "tip" be standard?

A tip (also called a gratuity) is a voluntary extra payment
If it were standard it no longer becomes "voluntary", so why not just increase the price.
Because customers are apt to spend more if they see lower prices on the menu.
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Jay
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+2,006|5643|London, England

Cybargs wrote:

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

DonFck wrote:

[-DER-]Omega wrote:

once again guys, I don't make the rules nor am I debating whether they're right or wrong, I'm just telling you how it is.
okay, more specifically, - 20% should be standard in America
Why.
Don't be that guy. I will laugh when you come here to live and get chased into the parking lot by an angry wait staff when you don't leave a tip. I will
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Don't be that guy. I will laugh when you come here to live and get chased into the parking lot by an angry wait staff when you don't leave a tip. I will
So, do you tip in MacDonalds?
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Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Don't be that guy. I will laugh when you come here to live and get chased into the parking lot by an angry wait staff when you don't leave a tip. I will
So, do you tip in MacDonalds?
No, you don't tip if you pick up your food at a counter.

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jord
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They shouldn't be angry if they don't receive a tip. I imagine with other tips and their wage they'll still be making about min wage.


My mother gave a homeless guy a £1 once and he replied is that it? I took it back. Id thank someone if they gave me a fraction of that. Ungreatfulness.
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Don't be that guy. I will laugh when you come here to live and get chased into the parking lot by an angry wait staff when you don't leave a tip. I will
So, do you tip in MacDonalds?
No, you don't tip if you pick up your food at a counter.
Why not? They're on minimum wage too - you deserve 'stuff' put on your burger.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


So, do you tip in MacDonalds?
No, you don't tip if you pick up your food at a counter.
Why not? They're on minimum wage too - you deserve 'stuff' put on your burger.
Minimum wage for a McDonald's register clerk is $8.25. Minimum wage for a waiter/waitress is $3.25.
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Turquoise
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DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


I've typically had pretty good service whenever I've eaten at restaurants in the US. Usually flirty waitresses and they often get decent tips from me....
Then you got lucky Black people and foreigners generally get shit service because they don't tip.
And they don't tip cause they get shit service... and the cycle continues.
My brother gave good service to all customers, but that didn't increase his chances of getting a better tip from...  canadians.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

jord wrote:

They shouldn't be angry if they don't receive a tip. I imagine with other tips and their wage they'll still be making about min wage.


My mother gave a homeless guy a £1 once and he replied is that it? I took it back. Id thank someone if they gave me a fraction of that. Ungreatfulness.
If they don't receive a tip, they've essentially been your wageless slave for the past hour rather than your paid servant
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

No, you don't tip if you pick up your food at a counter.
Why not? They're on minimum wage too - you deserve 'stuff' put on your burger.
Minimum wage for a McDonald's register clerk is $8.25. Minimum wage for a waiter/waitress is $3.25.
There is something wrong with your system, I think we just found it.

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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Then you got lucky Black people and foreigners generally get shit service because they don't tip.
And they don't tip cause they get shit service... and the cycle continues.
My brother gave good service to all customers, but that didn't increase his chances of getting a better tip from...  canadians.
Oh, I always have as well. There's only so many times you can take getting a $0.03 tip on a $50 meal though before you start thinking evil thoughts.
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jord
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JohnG@lt wrote:

jord wrote:

They shouldn't be angry if they don't receive a tip. I imagine with other tips and their wage they'll still be making about min wage.


My mother gave a homeless guy a £1 once and he replied is that it? I took it back. Id thank someone if they gave me a fraction of that. Ungreatfulness.
If they don't receive a tip, they've essentially been your wageless slave for the past hour rather than your paid servant
Not really since a waiter doesn't just wait on one person per hour. Depends if were talking aboout a cafe or a fancy restaurant, though at both I imagine a waiter/tress will be doing at least 3 tables per hour. Just one needs to tip for it to be min wage. At a cafe it may well be 5plus tables.

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