Mason4Assassin444
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Kmarion wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:


But thats the thing. The Democrats have had control of the House and Senate for how long? Why wasn't a bill passed before this crisis? Why wasn't something done about the over spending of our government? It's because in every bill no matter what type, their is a slush fund that pays for all the pet projects and vacation homes.

Like Kam said follow the money trail right back to the pockets of our elected leaders. Look at it this way, there is only a desperate problem now because the lenders are gone, ie "campaign contributions" have gone the way of the dodo bird.
They've had control for 2 years. Republicans had it for 12. 6 years of blank checks from a republican congress to a republican President is to be fixed by two years of democrats with a 1 vote majority? Or the Secretary of the Treasury could have stood up a long time ago.
That is a very simplistic view of how government works. It's very easy to go back and look at who was voting for what. There is only one candidate who has voted for more housing oversight. However it never left the committee. Unfortunately this is mostly due to the fact that Chris Dodd was the ranking member of the Banking Committee (Now it's chairman).
Government 101 keep it simple. Government isn't meant to be complicated and it isn't.

The more money you print, the less that money is worth. The less the money is worth the less you can afford. When you can't afford stuff you lose stuff. House, car, whatever your priority.

House being the biggest bill, that's probably going to go first. No one can pay their bills, due to dropping dollar value. Why do you think those adjustable APR's were going up? Dropping dollar value due to government overspending.

They could regulate the shit out of every company they want. If we keep spending the cash we spend they WILL STILL FAIL.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

I've addressed that but I also included the much needed oversight. Home values plummeted because there was a surge in inventory due to homes being foreclosed on. This also slowed new home construction. It is a cascading effect. It's not nearly as simple as you make it. This is a multitude of issues all coming to a head. You just seem like you want to close your eyes and only look the problems that best suit your flaming liberal (your words) agenda.
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Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6968|USA

Kmarion wrote:

I've addressed that but I also included the much needed oversight. Home values plummeted because there was a surge in inventory due to homes being foreclosed on. This also slowed new home construction. It is a cascading effect. It's not nearly as simple as you make it. This is a combination of problems all coming to a head. You just seem like you want to close your eyes and only look the problems that best suit your flaming liberal (your words) agenda.
I understand the scope of this completely. This will not be cataclysmic. It will be tough and hard on a lot of people. It wasn't a crisis when just the po' folk was having trouble. Now that the banks with rich ceo's are having trouble its a problem and it affects many industries including construction.

Supply and Demand. Too much supply and zero demand. Zero demand why? NO MONEY! WE HAVE NO MORE MONEY! We cannot own a home nor buy one. Now he rich guys on wall st can't exchange credit. Usually that means your credit card has maxed big guy.

They want to give money away to a pipe dream that we don't have to give. This has to work itself out.

Welcome to the recession. there are "plenty of service jobs" (quote from GW himself)

Now we can all get "service jobs" and wait on the CEO's tables in hope of a good tip.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6300|Truthistan
McCain is in trouble in the polls and on the economy and he is trying to hit a home run

I think his tactic is to scuttle the plan by taking a hard stance against the plan and for laisse faire economics and here is why

Using game theory (below is supposed to be read as a table.)


                               Nothing changes or Economic recover                     Economic collapse
                                       
Vote No                   you’re a hero that saved billions                             you’re the scape goat
                                   
Vote Yes                  your plan worked                                                  At least you tried
                              (no one will know you wasted billions)                     (and you will probably throw another 700
                                                                                                          billion away)

The safe political play is to vote yes on a bailout but if McCain's plan is to prevent the bailout he is either going to hit a home run and claim superior leadership or burn as a scapegoat.
Given the polls and his chances to win right now it would be in his political interest to vote no

Last edited by Diesel_dyk (2008-09-26 13:26:50)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I've addressed that but I also included the much needed oversight. Home values plummeted because there was a surge in inventory due to homes being foreclosed on. This also slowed new home construction. It is a cascading effect. It's not nearly as simple as you make it. This is a combination of problems all coming to a head. You just seem like you want to close your eyes and only look the problems that best suit your flaming liberal (your words) agenda.
I understand the scope of this completely. This will not be cataclysmic. It will be tough and hard on a lot of people. It wasn't a crisis when just the po' folk was having trouble. Now that the banks with rich ceo's are having trouble its a problem and it affects many industries including construction.

Supply and Demand. Too much supply and zero demand. Zero demand why? NO MONEY! WE HAVE NO MORE MONEY! We cannot own a home nor buy one. Now he rich guys on wall st can't exchange credit. Usually that means your credit card has maxed big guy.

They want to give money away to a pipe dream that we don't have to give. This has to work itself out.

Welcome to the recession. there are "plenty of service jobs" (quote from GW himself)

Now we can all get "service jobs" and wait on the CEO's tables in hope of a good tip.
The people who had no money HAD NO MONEY were allowed to get into homes and crush the credit line of those who did have money,  including the middle class. That is what truly perpetuated this problem. Poverty is not a GWB exclusive. In fact for most of his administration unemployment numbers fell.
Wages also went up dramatically.
Construction: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/f … egory_id=0
Manufacturing: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/f … egory_id=0
Total Private: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/f … egory_id=0
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SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6792|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

Kmarion wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I've addressed that but I also included the much needed oversight. Home values plummeted because there was a surge in inventory due to homes being foreclosed on. This also slowed new home construction. It is a cascading effect. It's not nearly as simple as you make it. This is a combination of problems all coming to a head. You just seem like you want to close your eyes and only look the problems that best suit your flaming liberal (your words) agenda.
I understand the scope of this completely. This will not be cataclysmic. It will be tough and hard on a lot of people. It wasn't a crisis when just the po' folk was having trouble. Now that the banks with rich ceo's are having trouble its a problem and it affects many industries including construction.

Supply and Demand. Too much supply and zero demand. Zero demand why? NO MONEY! WE HAVE NO MORE MONEY! We cannot own a home nor buy one. Now he rich guys on wall st can't exchange credit. Usually that means your credit card has maxed big guy.

They want to give money away to a pipe dream that we don't have to give. This has to work itself out.

Welcome to the recession. there are "plenty of service jobs" (quote from GW himself)

Now we can all get "service jobs" and wait on the CEO's tables in hope of a good tip.
The people who had no money HAD NO MONEY were allowed to get into homes and crush the credit line of those who did have money,  including the middle class. That is what truly perpetuated this problem. Poverty is not a GWB exclusive. In fact for most of his administration unemployment numbers fell.
Wages also went up dramatically.
Construction: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/f … egory_id=0
Manufacturing: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/f … egory_id=0
Total Private: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/f … egory_id=0
I knew it was time to get outta loans when they tried to make that no ssn loan and no proof of income lol
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

No doc loans.
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SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6792|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

Kmarion wrote:

No doc loans.
Not just no doc, the ones that were being offered by those shady shops. The kind you only saw advertised in the penny saver and signs on the road.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:


That's your response? Seriously?
ya.... it is.  you make such stupid fucking assersions thats what you get.


and I listen to my former boss warren buffet, not W.  thats why the bill should be signed.
Rich guy says save the rich people. So it must be needed.
you are such a child.  you know nothing about buffet.  keep your mouth shut.  i dont care if you are poor.  you want to piss on people for being successful and its annoying.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6834|Global Command

usmarine wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


ya.... it is.  you make such stupid fucking assersions thats what you get.


and I listen to my former boss warren buffet, not W.  thats why the bill should be signed.
Rich guy says save the rich people. So it must be needed.
you are such a child.  you know nothing about buffet.  keep your mouth shut.  i dont care if you are poor.  you want to piss on people for being successful and its annoying.
This buffet, is it all you can eat?


Fuck him. He is a omnicapitalist.

He sees new fortunes being made and an entirely new scope in scale to the term land baron. He will reap a share of these billions and snap up thousands of mortgages at pennies on the dollar.


I mean, I don't slight the guy for his feats. I question anything he says as being profit drivven.


How many hundreds of millions will he make in just metals this year? Isn't 60 ( +- ) billion enough?


While the effects of this current mess are causing real pain and suffering make no mistake, it's causes are as contrived as a John Edwards smile.

This is all phony, yet it is real now.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

unreal.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Is Buffet following the rules?
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Kmarion wrote:

Is Buffet following the rules?
no, he's rich silly.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6834|Global Command
As I state, good on him.


You think though now he is acting on philanthropy, riding to the rescue of a bank?


He gets holdings that include thousands of mortgages for his five billion.

He now owns property that the residents never would have sold at prices they never could have paid, i.e. .40-70 cents on the dollar. These home owners will never know their new landlod is Warren Buffet.

He will have his companies soon involved in the foreclosure business.


Sound like a guy you should trust in this crysis?
topal63
. . .
+533|7024

ATG wrote:

As I state, good on him.


You think though now he is acting on philanthropy, riding to the rescue of a bank?
I was thinking generally in reference to philanthropy not necessarily your post.

______

There is no such thing as philanthropy (at the top)... what a beast of an idea. How pathetic are people to eat up shit ideas so eagerly. Someone is giving away a portion of a fortune - that they took from others... that's part of the story and one way of seeing it.

Guess what philanthropy happens every day, hour by hour, minute by minute, from the bottom-up. There would be no fortune to be had if work was not done. Every bus-boy, waitress, waiter, maid, clerk, construction worker, factory worker, anyone doing work is performing philanthropy every single day they go to work and find that wealth has been legally transfered to someone else. Philanthropy is systemic and from the bottom up continuously.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-09-26 15:48:14)

SealXo
Member
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TrueMusou wrote:

I think we can all agree, however, that this was another one of his cheap political ploys.
Doing your job is cheap? Wat
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

SealXo wrote:

TrueMusou wrote:

I think we can all agree, however, that this was another one of his cheap political ploys.
Doing your job is cheap? Wat
well when obama has done his "job" so far campaigning and speaking, people get confused.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6834|Global Command

topal63 wrote:

ATG wrote:

As I state, good on him.


You think though now he is acting on philanthropy, riding to the rescue of a bank?
I was thinking generally in reference to philanthropy not necessarily your post.

______

There is no such thing as philanthropy (at the top)... what a beast of an idea. How pathetic are people to eat up shit ideas so eagerly. Someone is giving away a portion of a fortune - that they took from others... that's part of the story and one way of seeing it.

Guess what philanthropy happens every day, hour by hour, minute by minute, from the bottom-up. There would be no fortune to be had if work was not done. Every bus-boy, waitress, waiter, maid, clerk, construction worker, factory worker, anyone doing work is performing philanthropy every single day they go to work and find that wealth has been legally transfered to someone else. Philanthropy is systemic and from the bottom up continuously.
Brilliant point.


So basically, we have a forced public philanthropy, wherein we " give " to the top enders in the form of taxations and these fat cats escaping taxation via corporate loop holes or guaranteed profit margins via control of vital commodities.



I read through this that the average person is beginning to see the light. We do not live in a free society, just the freeiest.


What troubles me is this unsustainable debt we are looking at. Will my childrens children now be born into lifelong debt and houses owned by the government?
topal63
. . .
+533|7024

ATG wrote:

topal63 wrote:

ATG wrote:

As I state, good on him.


You think though now he is acting on philanthropy, riding to the rescue of a bank?
I was thinking generally in reference to philanthropy not necessarily your post.

______

There is no such thing as philanthropy (at the top)... what a beast of an idea. How pathetic are people to eat up shit ideas so eagerly. Someone is giving away a portion of a fortune - that they took from others... that's part of the story and one way of seeing it.

Guess what philanthropy happens every day, hour by hour, minute by minute, from the bottom-up. There would be no fortune to be had if work was not done. Every bus-boy, waitress, waiter, maid, clerk, construction worker, factory worker, anyone doing work is performing philanthropy every single day they go to work and find that wealth has been legally transferred to someone else. Philanthropy is systemic and from the bottom up continuously.
Brilliant point.


So basically, we have a forced public philanthropy, wherein we " give " to the top enders in the form of taxations and these fat cats escaping taxation via corporate loop holes or guaranteed profit margins via control of vital commodities.



I read through this that the average person is beginning to see the light. We do not live in a free society, just the freeiest.


What troubles me is this unsustainable debt we are looking at. Will my childrens children now be born into lifelong debt and houses owned by the government?
The plus side of capitalism is the fortune wrenched from the masses. It is the legalized consolidation of wealth into the hands of hopefully real entrepreneurs and bright broad range free-thinkers - that society at-large needs; society needs wealth for any large-scale undertaking. But, our version of capitalism (its current evolution, its state in time; now) has become a mean barely-humanistic variant. Capitalism needs to be balanced - because all wealth; the value of money; is truly the objectification of work. Workers cannot be left out the scheme, and they should benefit wholly from the scheme. Finding the balance, the appropriate amount of social accountability in the system is the question. "Change we can believe in."

PS: "Change we can believe in," I just threw that political rhetoric in just for fun.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-09-26 16:47:59)

Vax
Member
+42|6157|Flyover country

usmarine wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


ya.... it is.  you make such stupid fucking assersions thats what you get.


and I listen to my former boss warren buffet, not W.  thats why the bill should be signed.
Rich guy says save the rich people. So it must be needed.
you are such a child.  you know nothing about buffet.  keep your mouth shut.  i dont care if you are poor.  you want to piss on people for being successful and its annoying.
I guess I should not be surprised anymore, but wow. Buffet is a known financial whiz, a guru.

He also may become the record holder for making the largest philanthropic gift in history



So I guess when he says that congress 'is doing the right thing' RE the bailout, I believe him.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Vax wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:


Rich guy says save the rich people. So it must be needed.
you are such a child.  you know nothing about buffet.  keep your mouth shut.  i dont care if you are poor.  you want to piss on people for being successful and its annoying.
I guess I should not be surprised anymore, but wow. Buffet is a known financial whiz, a guru.

He also may become the record holder for making the largest philanthropic gift in history



So I guess when he says that congress 'is doing the right thing' RE the bailout, I believe him.
buffet is a funny guy.  i have met him three times and he was wearing a suit that looks like the style from the 80's.  his hair was a mess and his glasses looked very old.  he drives some mid 80's ford pick up.  the last time i met him buffet and bill gates were handing out ice cream sandwiches to us at work.  it was kind off odd getting ice cream from two of the most powerful people in the US.
MGS3_GrayFox
Member
+50|6473

usmarine wrote:

Vax wrote:

usmarine wrote:


you are such a child.  you know nothing about buffet.  keep your mouth shut.  i dont care if you are poor.  you want to piss on people for being successful and its annoying.
I guess I should not be surprised anymore, but wow. Buffet is a known financial whiz, a guru.

He also may become the record holder for making the largest philanthropic gift in history



So I guess when he says that congress 'is doing the right thing' RE the bailout, I believe him.
buffet is a funny guy.  i have met him three times and he was wearing a suit that looks like the style from the 80's.  his hair was a mess and his glasses looked very old.  he drives some mid 80's ford pick up.  the last time i met him buffet and bill gates were handing out ice cream sandwiches to us at work.  it was kind off odd getting ice cream from two of the most powerful people in the US.
Didn't you work over Afghanistan or something? I find it hard to believe that Gates and Buffet were both in Afghanistan giving you ice cream sandwiches.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Vax wrote:


I guess I should not be surprised anymore, but wow. Buffet is a known financial whiz, a guru.

He also may become the record holder for making the largest philanthropic gift in history



So I guess when he says that congress 'is doing the right thing' RE the bailout, I believe him.
buffet is a funny guy.  i have met him three times and he was wearing a suit that looks like the style from the 80's.  his hair was a mess and his glasses looked very old.  he drives some mid 80's ford pick up.  the last time i met him buffet and bill gates were handing out ice cream sandwiches to us at work.  it was kind off odd getting ice cream from two of the most powerful people in the US.
Didn't you work over Afghanistan or something? I find it hard to believe that Gates and Buffet were both in Afghanistan giving you ice cream sandwiches.
lol....wat
Vax
Member
+42|6157|Flyover country
I'm pretty sure he still lives in the modest house in Omaha he bought back in like the 50's. He is just not the picture of the typical greedy rich dude.

Never met him but he lives here in my state.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Vax wrote:

I'm pretty sure he still lives in the modest house in Omaha he bought back in like the 50's. He is just not the picture of the typical greedy rich dude.

Never met him but he lives here in my state.
ya i think his house is smaller then lebron james' guest house.

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